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UK based lyricist seeks collaboration with melody writer to complete songs. Will need to be able to write music to existing lyrics and produce a high quality demo of the song. Completed songs will be pitched to various opportunities for possible release, any that are will then be on a 50/50 share of profit. Hopefully want to find someone who can write in a variety of genre.
A small selection of my work can be found on my website. Click the link below.
Cheers Roger
I'm a lyricist with original lyrics available for all recording purposes, open to collaboration so if interested please see my website. http://www.penkslyrics.com
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Check in with the wide variety of talented musicians on OHM Studio, www.ohmstudio.com. This is an online DAW where you can find people from all over the world who are fantastic musicians and songwriters. ALL of my music is written by a French musician who plays a mean guitar and keys. I write all the lyrics, sing, and sometimes even play bass. Go check it out - you just may find the people you need. Pop
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Hey come on guys and gals.
Must be someone out there interested in a collab'
I'm a lyricist with original lyrics available for all recording purposes, open to collaboration so if interested please see my website. http://www.penkslyrics.com
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Hey,
It takes 30 minutes to write a lyric and about two weeks to do the music and make a demo. A little unbalanced I think......
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Hey,
It takes 30 minutes to write a lyric and about two weeks to do the music and make a demo. A little unbalanced I think...... Colin, I hope that's a teeny bit tongue-in-cheek. Some lyricists spend hours, days, even months perfecting/tweaking a lyric. At least, they do so if they want one that's well crafted and ready to be musicified (and adjusted as necessary) and pitched commercially. Sure, it might take 30 minutes to get a basic idea down. The hard work comes afterwards. (Though I admit, not every writer of lyrics realises this.) (Sorry to hijack your thread, Roger. ) Donna
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I'm sure the time spent on music verses lyrics differ from writer to writer. I have written some lyrics and it's a pain-stricken experience for me. Takes me much longer than composing music. Maybe because the composer has only 12 half-tones to consider, where the lyricist has thousands of words to consider. Producing a high quality demo is another matter. John
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I haven't written many lyrics lately since 50/90 but I did get an idea a couple weeks ago and jotted down 3 or 4 lines and then about a week ago I jotted down a couple more, etc and probably write a line or two today. It'll probably come around after two or three weeks. If not I'll junk it. It was just a basic idea like Donna mentioned. I probably could have got something down in a half hour or so but it most likely would have looked just like a lyric that was written in 3o minutes. There are exceptions but that's what they are--exceptions
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But, that reminds me of a story about Mrs Hammerstein of Rogers and Hammerstein fame, to wit--At a party, someone said "Oh, you mean your husband is with Mr Rogers who wrote "Old Man River" ? She said, No, "MY" husband wrote Old Man River. All Mr Rogers did was the da.... da,da,da....da,da....da da da
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Well, it might be a bit of an exaggeration, but the original post is asking for a full demo in addition to a melody writer and presumably someone who can perform the song. It takes thousands of dollars of equipment and years of experience to be able to do all that, while the lyricist needs a piece of paper and a pencil (and possibly a bit more than 30 minutes of time!). That's why there are a hundred lyricists to every musician on the board. I am by no means picking on Roger's lyrics, but I do think a reality check is in order.
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Wy, that Mrs Hammerstein story cracked me up! And in fact, I should have added the word 'years' in my post above. At the moment, I'm up to my ears in revising several lyrics I'd written in 2009 & 2010. I like to think I've learned a lot more about the craft - and have acquired more lyric-writing tools and skills - since then. Donna
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Hmmm,
Ok, reality check needed.
Yes, lyrics are important to a song. But no more, or less so, than, say "is the vocalist standing the appropriate distance from the microphone to get the best take ? "
It's all about expertise, but a song as a whole, relies upon it's production and presence.
Let's not have the tail wagging the dog here.
cheers, niteshift
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Nite, I think the gist was that all elements play an important role in a song. No dog is being wagged here. Donna
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Yes Donna,
Quite agreed, but statements such as....
.....Will need to be able to write music to existing lyrics and produce a high quality demo of the song.....
...simply don't cut it with me.
It just shows a lack of understanding of how music is actually produced.
cheers. niteshift
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Aha, I get it now, nite. I thought you were referring to the ongoing comments, rather than only the original post. My bad. Donna
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In answer to your comments Colin. Yes in some ways it does take a bit more work to create the music and record it. But in todays world there is the technology in computers to produce excellent recordings of songs, so it not that expensive. Plus I will be pitching completed songs to Taxi and others and I can't do that without having a full recording of the song. So my initial post was just highlighting these so prospective partners know the score. So in my eyes it's you that needs the reality check.
I'm a lyricist with original lyrics available for all recording purposes, open to collaboration so if interested please see my website. http://www.penkslyrics.com
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Thought I may but in here and throw my two pence worth in.
As you say "in todays world there is the technology in computers to produce excellent recordings of songs, so it not that expensive" Ok so a computer with a decent spec and appropriate hardware costs at the minimum about £1500. Three instruments, say two decent guitars and keyboard say £3000. Decent mike maybe £200. Add some reasonable software and plug ins £500. That comes to £5200 without the many years of skill needed to learn how to play three instruments and operate software correctly. How much is that worth in the financial world?
I would say a fair deal would be 50/50 lyrics/melody and rough demo. Then a 50/50 split towards a pro demo. Vic
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Hi PENKSLYRICS
I am also from the UK and I am a lyrics only person. I did have a look around your website and had a read. Personally as I am not a composer or singer and therefor not what you are looking for, my opinion would be worthless to you.
However I think you would have more joy on this site if you posted a lyric (pick what you think is your best)on one of the lyrics boards and invite those who move around the board to collaborate.
It may even be good to invite comments from others as lyrics can always be improved IMO.
Sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees.
Just my thoughts and opinions.
Welcome to the site and
God Bless Roy and Helen
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Thought I may but in here and throw my two pence worth in.
As you say "in todays world there is the technology in computers to produce excellent recordings of songs, so it not that expensive" Ok so a computer with a decent spec and appropriate hardware costs at the minimum about £1500. Three instruments, say two decent guitars and keyboard say £3000. Decent mike maybe £200. Add some reasonable software and plug ins £500. That comes to £5200 without the many years of skill needed to learn how to play three instruments and operate software correctly. How much is that worth in the financial world?
I would say a fair deal would be 50/50 lyrics/melody and rough demo. Then a 50/50 split towards a pro demo. Vic
I agree with you Vic mostly... and --- quote --- I would say a fair deal would be 50/50 lyrics/melody and rough demo. Then a 50/50 split towards a pro demo --- unquote --- sounds totally fair to me when collaborating with a composer. God Bless Roy and Helen
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Hi I write lyrics only and rely on some of the fine musician/singers on the site for the chance of a collab. Without the lyricist of course there would be no story. However many of the fine musicians on the forum are equally good at writing their own lyrics so it narrows the field for we poor lyric writers, especially when there are dozens of them on JPF alone. I appreciate all the work that musicians/singers put into their collabs, but in fairness words are not just thrown down randomly there is a certain skill and experience involved here too. Travis
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He y, PENKSLYRICS...
There is really no hard and fast answer for what you are asking. Songwriters who have been doing both things for many years are constantly making discoveries about what makes good music, and what makes, hopefully, great music! There is a certain element of enchantment infused into great work that cannot be found by a lyricist alone. But even finding your perfect match in a musician guarantees nothing. Out of a hundred songs written, in the best case scenario, only five or so will be good enough for the airwaves. There are some exceptions, but none of the exceptions are looking for a lyricist. So, I guess what I am saying is, as a lyricist you must find your level of enchantment to express yourself. You cannot write like everybody else. There is nothing enchanting about that...and listeners are searching for enchantment.
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I echo what the lady states and it varies from person to person I myself am hyper critical of my own work and i stear clear of commenting in depth on any ones work
There is a lot of gush on here as there is on other sites
It all depends on ones personal experience, ten years ago I thought I knew it all but I did not
Songs I wrote back then have now been re written, because I now know so much more about this business of song writing and pitching
If you play an instrument and have sung professionaly of course it helps I would say learn an instrument an understand why certain Chords are chosen and the difference they can make to the messgae you are trying to portray
Also write in many genres and listen to what others are doing if you dont like anything you hear on the radio or TV maybe its time to try something else
Without the right music your clever lyrics will never be heard, if you want success be prepared to re write many times and even change the meter you chose originally
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In answer to Rogers request, you are asking a lot Roger and you would need to alter the lyrics as the song evolves
If you understand meter _ chord harmony _ prosody and write interesting lyrics Lyrics that pull people in you should find someone
If not you will struggle
Best of luck and remember it wont happen over night if at all
Let people see your work and you may stand a chance of a good collaboration however never pay any one to put your lyrics to music if they were that good they would be doing it for them selves
Without the right music your clever lyrics will never be heard, if you want success be prepared to re write many times and even change the meter you chose originally
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It is really hard to say which is harder, lyrics or music. Of course, making the music is more expensive as you need the gear and proper training. We are in the business of making song demos, so we sure know what we're talking about. But when it comes to the time spent on one or the other, I wouldn't lean towards any direction. I write lyrics myself and make music. Some days the lyrics just flow out of me, I write something within 30 min and I'm totally happy with the outcome. With music it similar. Sometimes I just sit in front of the piano and the composition just magically appears. Of course producing the demo takes a lot longer. We normally need about 8 hours locked in the studio to produce and record the demo for our clients. On top of that about another 4-5 hours for the mixing and editing part.
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