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#1130942 - 09/23/17 03:24 AM Love Goes  
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So, I was wandering through the JPF forums and came across "Ande's Lyric Writing Tips" thread (all of which are just great). As I read Tip 19 on avoiding cliches, it made me think of the lyric to the song I wrote below. It starts with a couple of cliches in the first verse, which have always made me shiver a bit. But I like how it works with the melody I have for it, and as Ande notes, sometimes a cliche works. So I post this with that in mind, wondering--and seeking your input--whether that first verse (or the rest of it) can stand as is. Thanks in advance for the comments and suggestions.

Love Goes

(V) It’s not your fault, I know;
but I can read the writing on the wall;
you know, they say it’s always
darkest before the fall—
just shows even all the
best things fall apart;
implode before your eyes.
I wonder where it goes—
how love comes to your heart
then disappears.

(C) Restless hearts, restless minds;
say goodbye to what we’ll leave behind.
Reckless thoughts, reckless words—
maybe time will finally heal the hurt.

(Who knows where love goes?)

(V) It’s not my choice to leave;
and I can hear your voice
sound like a symphony,
playing sweet upon
my doubts and empathy—
it’s a melody you’ve played before
to bring me to my knees,
but not anymore,
and so, darling, can’t we please
just let this go.

(C) Restless hearts, restless minds;
say goodbye to what we’ll leave behind.
Reckless thoughts, reckless words—
maybe time will finally heal the hurt.

(Who knows where love goes?)

(B) Too late to turn the hands of time,
to undo what was said,
to undo what we’ve done;
a song can’t be unsung—
no, our time has run.

(C) Restless hearts, restless minds;
say goodbye to what we’ll leave behind.
Reckless thoughts, reckless words;
maybe time will finally heal the hurt.

(Who knows where love goes?)

(c) DJ Lekich 2017

#1130947 - 09/23/17 11:28 AM Re: Love Goes [Re: Deej56]  
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and I can tell you thats the way love goes... from experience lol the write is true Dee, sometimes when it ends its not quite ended..both sides have a sharp stick and poke each other a bit....no music? let me know when you get that finished and I`ll come listen. good stuff. Lane


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#1131126 - 09/30/17 01:49 AM Re: Love Goes [Re: Deej56]  
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Lane,

Thanks, friend, for stopping in. I do have music for this one, but, as noted, I'm not sure about the first verse, in particular. "Read the writing on the walls" and "darkest before the fall" . . . too cliche? Thing is, the melody (and dare I say vocal) might carry it off--but as a writer, it makes me hesitant. Maybe I'll just put it out on the MP3 thread for what it's worth . . . if I ever get around to recording it

Appreciate the feedback, Lane, as always.

Regards,

Deej

#1131195 - 10/03/17 11:01 PM Re: Love Goes [Re: Deej56]  
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well it can be, I have trouble with that too, the writing part, sometimes when I hear the melody it helps me with the lyric, there are many ways to say that, and If I can`t` think of some I`ll go find some.....lol

(V) It’s not your fault, I know;
but I can read the writing on the wall; [I can tell you what happens next] [ what this is all about]
you know, they say it’s always
darkest before the fall—...[and then you fall] you`ll think of something, sometimes it takes me days to get what I want on just one line that I try to re-write. I`ll keep an eye out in case you post the song. Lane


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#1131205 - 10/04/17 03:25 PM Re: Love Goes [Re: Deej56]  
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That first verse... here's my think:

It’s not your fault, I know;
but I can read the writing on the wall;
you know, they say it’s always
darkest before the fall— <--- the actual term is "darkest before the dawn"
just shows even all the
best things fall apart; <---- another use of the word "fall". Seems redundant. Also, rhyming words out of sync (wall - always - fall - all - fall)
implode before your eyes. <--- an implosion means to collapse inward, a contrast to the previous line about falling apart.
I wonder where it goes—
WHEN love ENTERS your heart <---- change
then disappears.



These are just my immediate thoughts . KoS... :-)


Peace,

Dave


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#1131218 - 10/05/17 12:10 AM Re: Love Goes [Re: Deej56]  
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Lane and David, thanks for kindly affirming what I think I already knew. I have to rewrite the first verse if this song has any chance to work. The thing is, I typically write my lyrics and music together. I think it makes it harder for me to let go of the lyrics, because they fit so cleanly with the melody . . . Alas. Still, your comments have convinced me to rewrite the whole first verse, salvaging a line or two. Will share when I get there.

A couple of specific call outs:

Lane, nice approach to rethinking lyrics. I'll be sure to use that in the rewrite and going forward.

David, yeah, "darkest before the dawn" is right. On the bright side, though, "darkest before the fall" is not the cliche I thought it was, so there's that. smile Agree with "implode"--actually I've gone back and forth between that and "erode"; the latter seems to work better, but I think both will go in the rewrite. As for the rhyme scheme, I understand your comment based on just reading the lyrics, but I pretty confident that the melody carries the internal rhymes. Also, I get your last suggested change, but I'm inclined to stay with "How love comes to your heart" rather than "When love enters your heart," which feels more mechanical and less emotional--that's just me though. Really appreciate your thoughtful comments and taking the time to respond. Thanks much.

All the best,

Deej

#1131233 - 10/05/17 02:01 PM Re: Love Goes [Re: Deej56]  
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Hey Deej,

I like 'erode', too. I understand what you're sayin' about the rhyme scheme fitting your melody. Makes perfect sense. I do that too. :-) The whole "love to heart" thing was throwing me. I can see where my sugg reads a little mechanical. Stick with what you're comfortable with. All in all you have a really nice write here. I look forward to hearing that melody with it.

Peace,

Dave


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#1131316 - 10/09/17 03:54 AM Re: Love Goes [Re: Deej56]  
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Love what's that lol a thing of the past Lane sadly!
Some good feedback here best of luck with it
Travis


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#1131394 - 10/13/17 12:14 AM Re: Love Goes [Re: Deej56]  
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Thanks, Travis, and again, Dave, for your input. I'm curious given your great feedback what I'll do with this, if anything. But I do like the sound of it, so I'll see what I can do lyrically to at least the first verse stronger. Thanks so much for your comments.

Deej

#1132527 - 11/17/17 10:30 AM Re: Love Goes [Re: Deej56]  
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I love 'erode'. I know what you are sayin' concerning the rhyme scheme fitting the melody. thank you,the lyrics is very great.I really like it.

#1132720 - 11/23/17 12:46 AM Re: Love Goes [Re: Deej56]  
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Thanks, Lingbeek . . . and, BTW, welcome to JPF. I haven't noticed if you checked into the new member thread, but feel free to introduce yourself, and I'll look forward to hearing or reading whatever you'd like when you're ready to share.

As for this one, really appreciate your stopping in and commenting. I'm still struggling with the first verse and think I may keep more of it than I thought; I may only change the third and fourth lines. As it stands now, I've got:

(V) It’s not your fault, I know;
but I can read the writing on the wall;
so you know, there ain't no use in
holding on at all—
just shows even all the
best things fall apart;
implode before your eyes.
I wonder where it goes—
how love comes to your heart
then disappears.

Laid down the guitar work; just need to overlay a vocal and maybe I'll have the courage to post it on the MP3 forum. Thanks again for taking the time to read and comment.

All the best,

Deej

#1135469 - 01/24/18 06:46 AM Re: Love Goes [Re: Deej56]  
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Thank for the sharing this poem "Love goes". I really like these lines:-
"It’s not your fault, I know;
but I can read the writing on the wall;
so you know, there ain't no use in
holding on at all—
just shows even all the
best things fall apart;
implode before your eyes.
I wonder where it goes—
how love comes to your heart
then disappears."

#1135652 - 01/27/18 12:11 AM Re: Love Goes [Re: Deej56]  
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Hi, John,

Thanks for stopping in and commenting on this one. And welcome to JPF!!! I've only been on this board for, well, a bit over a year--I hope you find it as welcoming as I have.

I appreciate your support on that opening verse. Still not sure I'm settled on it, or that the third and fourth lines work. Thing is, I still like the original line, even though it's been rightly pointed out I'm misquoting the cliche. Ah, well, at some point I'm just going to record it, put it out there and see.

Thanks again for your kind comments.

Kindest regards,

Deej

#1135703 - 01/27/18 05:28 PM Re: Love Goes [Re: Deej56]  
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maybe simplify the bridge


Can't redo what's been done;
A song can’t be unsung
Too hard to turn back time

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#1135708 - 01/27/18 07:02 PM Re: Love Goes [Re: Deej56]  
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Looks good to me Deej.

Just an idea to play with:

It’s not your fault, I know;
but I can read the writing in your look; (in your face)
you know, it’s sometimes
hard to close the book— (turn the page)
but we know even all the
best things fall apart;
implode before your eyes.
I wonder where it goes—
how love comes to your heart
then disappears.

Vic


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#1136097 - 02/02/18 02:30 AM Re: Love Goes [Re: Deej56]  
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Vic,

Thanks for stopping in and taking the time to comment. I like your suggestion, though (and I'm not sure this makes sense) the sound of "look" doesn't quite fit the melody I have. It's more of an softer sound; and "look" is shorter, firmer . But I like your twist, tying "read the writing" to something other than the cliche "the wall". So while I'm not sure "look" works, perhaps "eyes". Maybe followed by "it shouldn't come as a surprise" or "it ain't the kind of thing you can disguise" . . .

At any rate, your suggestions indeed give me something to play with. It's very much appreciated.

Kindest regards,

Deej

#1136100 - 02/02/18 02:48 AM Re: Love Goes [Re: Neil Cotton]  
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Neil,

Thanks for the suggestion and taking the time to read and comment. I hadn't focused much on the bridge, but you make a fair point. Not sure I have a lot of leeway given the melody, but it's worth revisiting. Appreciate your help and input.

All the best,

Deej

#1143438 - 08/01/18 05:12 AM Re: Love Goes [Re: Deej56]  
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You are explaining the real truth. Lots of people are nowadays struggling with several things. You mentioned this line is amazing and extraordinary.



"" Restless hearts, restless minds;
say goodbye to what we’ll leave behind.
Reckless thoughts, reckless words—
maybe time will finally heal the hurt.""

#1143477 - 08/03/18 01:21 AM Re: Love Goes [Re: Deej56]  
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stephansam,

First off, and most importantly, welcome to JPF! I hope you find it as open and inviting as I have in my short time here. (Well, I say "short time," and it seems that way, but I guess I'm coming up on a year and a half plus!).

Anyways, I was surprised to see this one pop up again--actually, I kinda forgot about it as I moved on to a few other new tunes. For what it's worth, I have rewritten the first verse. It now goes:

(V) It’s not your fault, I know;
but I can read the writing in your eyes;
so you know, it shouldn't really come as a surprise--
just shows even all the best things fall apart,
however hard you try.
I wonder where it goes—
how love comes to your heart
then disappears.

But really I have to thank you for bringing this one back to my attention. I played around with it last night and actually think this will be my next MP3 project. So stay tuned . . . and hope I can make it sound OK.

All the best,

Deej


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