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I'd been carrying the tune and most of the lyric of this song around with me for many years, then recorded it about a year ago. I recently updated the vocals and the mix, using some of the knowledge I've picked up since then. I'd appreciate any comments or suggestions, especially as this is something very different from what I normally do. I suppose lyrically, though not musically, it's maybe the closest I can get to the blues. And there are no jokes smile

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CAN'T LOVE NO-ONE BUT HER
(Words and music by Gavin Sinclair)

My baby loves me
Although sometimes you wouldn't know it
She treats me bad
She makes me so sad
But only she can make me this warm inside
Only she

And when I see her
Even only for a moment
Those feelings wake
And give my heart a shake
Shaking free all those bad memories
And I feel fine

And though I try
I can't get by
Without my baby
Rain snow or sun
You know that she is the one
I need beside me
She's my baby
Can't love no-one but her

My friends all tell me
I should find some other lover
To treat me right
And hold me tight at night
Keep me warm
When the wind blows so cold outside

But they don't know her
Don't know the touch of her fingers
The smell of her hair
A moment after she was there
The air when she's done breathing it
And I get my turn

And though I try
I can't get by
Without my baby
Other girls smile
And once in a while
I think just maybe
But no
They're not my baby
Can't love no-one but her

(Instrumental break)

Can't love no-one but her

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Gavin

I like your lyric. It captures the power of a co-dependent relationship really well - with all the emotions that can accompany it. I must say I really like your vocal tone - it takes me into some of the unique British folk voices I've enjoyed through the years.

By the way, I think I hear a British or Scottish lilt in your voice although I see you location is North Carolina. Am I off base with this?

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Mike, you are completely "on-base" smile I am Scottish (which is also British of course, at least for now). Been in North Carolina for more than 20 years but still have at least some of my accent, I guess. Maybe it works to my advantage if it distracts from my actual singing LOL.

It makes me very confused musically - Scottish and Irish folk influences from my roots (I grew up playing along to those records), "Liedermacher" type stuff from time spent in Germany, pop, country because it's fun to write and even more fun to sing in a Scottish accent, and some stuff that doesn't really fit into any genre.

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Hi Gavin:

Not sure which I enjoyed the most... the song... or the back-story... LOL! Both are good and I can understand how disappointed you folks were after going to all that trouble. At least you had some "audience time" and a pro-recording group to preserve it for you.

The "burr" survives a bit, even after twenty years of Carolinian influence. Thanks for sharing.

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Gavin,

A very interesting write. It kept my attention start to finish. Different and unique. Well presented (sung).

The production is nice - supportive. I thought you might add some subtle additions along the way to engage the ear further. Like, perhaps, a simple arp guitar in the second verse. And then some soft, subtle strings to underscore the final chorus. The sax was nice.

Interesting, enjoyed the listen.

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Originally Posted by Dave Rice
Hi Gavin:

Not sure which I enjoyed the most... the song... or the back-story... LOL! Both are good and I can understand how disappointed you folks were after going to all that trouble. At least you had some "audience time" and a pro-recording group to preserve it for you.

The "burr" survives a bit, even after twenty years of Carolinian influence. Thanks for sharing.

----Dave


Glad you enjoyed it, Dave. As for the back story - it's all true smile

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Originally Posted by floyd jane
Gavin,

A very interesting write. It kept my attention start to finish. Different and unique. Well presented (sung).

The production is nice - supportive. I thought you might add some subtle additions along the way to engage the ear further. Like, perhaps, a simple arp guitar in the second verse. And then some soft, subtle strings to underscore the final chorus. The sax was nice.

Interesting, enjoyed the listen.

fj

Those are some really interesting suggestions, Floyd. I'm going to try them out and see how it works. It's supposed to be a "spare" arrangement, so I need to avoid cluttering it. Subtlety, as you point out, is the key. I always picture someone singing a song live, and the image I have here is more intimate night club than concert hall. Maybe I'll try a single cello or something for the strings. Thanks for the great suggestions.

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Hi Gavin.
I like some of this, however :
It did occur to me that this may sound better in 4/4 swing time.
Some of the lyrics feel a little crammed in and the synth bass is a tad prominent.

Just my opinion of course but it would be interesting to hear it that way.

All the best,

Vic


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Originally Posted by Vicarn
Hi Gavin.
I like some of this, however :
It did occur to me that this may sound better in 4/4 swing time.
Some of the lyrics feel a little crammed in and the synth bass is a tad prominent.

Just my opinion of course but it would be interesting to hear it that way.

All the best,

Vic

That's interesting about the lyrics feeling crammed, Vic. Somebody else (not here) made a similar comment a while back. I can't hear or feel it at all, which might be a classic case of being too close to your own creation. It certainly didn't feel that way when singing it. Are there particular lines or phrases that stick out as having that "crammed" feel?

Thanks for the observation about the bass too. That could also be in the mastering, which uses an Ozone preset that emphasizes the bass.

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I enjoyed all of this and liked the comments. The Scottish feel to your voice adds a lot to it. Great job!

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Quite unique Gavin and no doubt intentionally conversational.
The vocal is good but i feel that at times the lyric is a tight squeeze .
The song oveall is good and well produced.
Best of look with it
Travis

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Hello Gavin,


A beautiful song.


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Thanks Douglas, Travis and Calvin.

Travis, you seem to be agreeing with Vic about the "tight squeeze" thing. There is some unusual phrasing, kind of in keeping with the conversational, confiding tone I was going for, as if the singer was talking directly and off the cuff. I thought I was being clever LOL.

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It's beautiful, and sung beautifully, too (no kidding!).

Your lyrics are great as always and flow well. Just two (very) tiny observations:

"Although sometimes you wouldn't know it" => leaving out the "it" would flow better

No need to worry about the corresponding line:
"Even only for a moment" => since the stress is on "mo" it still would rhyme and blend well; "know it" - "moment" sounds a bit forced to me.

I also enjoyed the folding piano :-)


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No parsing out or nits to pick here....

We just kicked back and enjoyed the totality of the production. It all worked for us. The production seems well designed to support the lyric and vocal. Sax is a nice touch too.

J&B

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Thanks Bernd and Janice & Bud. Glad you liked it.

I'm so appreciative of the constructive criticism I've received here. I'm working on one of Floyd's suggestions to see how it sounds. If I end up not using it, it's probably because I don't have the technical chops to make it work.

Glad you enjoyed the back story. My band, "The Mysterious Beings," is full of interesting characters, none more so than Aldo Sachs on the alto sax. Actually, the back story would make a really cool video LOL. The Paris Metro would make a great location, camera switching between the singer and the object of his affection, following him through the tunnels, ending up beside a sax-playing busker. Wonder if I can claim a trip to Paris on my taxes smile

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Hi Gavin.
On the lyrics. It's hard to explain, it's to do with phrasing, but I'll give you an example.

"Although sometimes you wouldn't know it" the "you" could be brought forward half a beat.
"sometimes" starts on beat one so try 1 and 2 "you" with the "wouldn't" on beat 3. :-) I said it was hard to explain.

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Hey Gavin:

I might play with the time signature as Vic suggested. But, fundamentally, I think the music is a great match for the lyric - hopeful sounding with a mournful undertone (the sax helped there). Just reading the lyric wouldn't get the full story across - but, when combined with the music it really comes through.

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Thanks Scott. I might try a 4/4 time signature just because that makes two people who have suggested it. It will probably just be out of interest though, because that would be a different song altogether. Who knows, maybe it will spark some inspiration for a new project smile

This melody, complete with some of the lyrics came to me fully formed as I walked down the street many years ago. I must have been walking in 3/4 time LOL. It stayed with me because it was so easy and fun (to me, anyway) to sing with no accompaniment while walking home after a few beers.

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A little bittersweet & wistful but resigned to love someone...has to be done in 3/4 time. smile

Just a minor lyric sugg...

And give my heart a shake
BREAKING free of all those bad memories

...just because I don't like repeating words unnecessarily.

I love this verse:

The smell of her hair
A moment after she was there
The air when she's done breathing it
And I get my turn

Nice one, Gavin. You and the band are in fine form.

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Gavin,

This is a pretty tune, that hits the mark on these type of relationships. I like the stripped production, and your vocal on this is very good—it all meshes together pretty darn well. Well done, Gavin. Great listen—and love that chill sax you added near the end. Sweet!

All the best,

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Thanks Ricki and Deej for listening and your kind comments. Ricki, that is definitely my favorite verse in the song, and the most fun to sing.


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