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Says what's in his heart ...he doesn't support players kneeling, gets clobbered by the press and fellow atheletes. Somehow this went hand and hand with police killing a guy? Now he's apologizing

We're living in a crazy world where only one opinion is the right one and your scum if you disagree. Regardless of what anyone thinks THAT is un American

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/miami-heat-dwyane-wade-lebron-james-drew-brees-kneeling

Morning, FD:

Brees had nothing to apologize for. If the NFL continues this misguided "kneeling" junk... I will find something else to do with my spare time. If folks don't respect or love this Country and it's Anthem, find someplace else to try and survive.

First the Pandemic, then the senseless 8 or 9 minute knee on the neck of a hand-cuffed prisoner by a Minneapolis Police Officer, now the threat of a Hurricane in or around New Orleans... plus all the ANTIFA and BLM rioting with not-so-peaceful demonstrations... and it all begins to look like a full-scale attack on our RIGHTS as Citizens of the USA. What amazed me was what appeared to be 90% of college age white kids marching and carrying signs... then 90% of the looters appeared to be underprivileged young black people. Something is terribily wrong with this picture.

Peaceful protests are fine... but don't impede traffic on busy streets or freeways, destroy or loot homes and businesses... and let the rest of us get on with our already disrupted lives.

My sympathy to the family of Mr. Floyd. I hope we have been told the entire story about this sad event. We have laws, juries and courts to handle tragedies such as this.

Where is the outrage over the ambush of a California Sheriff's Deputy yesterday... or the sensless beating of that poor old white man in a Nursing Home by a 22 year old muscular black man? That was painful to watch regardless of which side of the fence one's beliefs or standards fall. Sad for America!

Drew Brees has been nothing but a class act his whole career. Is president of the players union, has donated 35 million of his own money to help victims of Katrina AND corona.

He got asked an off guard question about kneeling during national anthem, and answered he didn't support it mainly cause he had family who served in the world wars.

Next thing you know he was lambasted by athletes from different sports, and some were calling for him to retire.

He Is now forced to apologize and fight his way back to appease people.

The claim is that kaeperneck who started kneeling, did it cause of the police brutality and that Brees is missing the point of kneeling, that it's not to disrespect the flag.

He probably is sorry it caused the ruckus but he knows he can't run his team and play for fans who are against him. NFL is also saying they were wrong for not allowing kneeling.

On Floyd, horrible display to see that happen. I think the racial side of it is being elevated, the three stand byers, one was black one was chinese.

Nobody regardless of color deserves to be killed unnecessarily by police, it shouldnt be any worse cause of your race.I

But his opinion was hardly an obvious bad opinion, many agree with him.

I agree. Drew Brees is entitled to his opinion, and it's a perfectly reasonable one and nothing to have to apologize for. Feels like a bit of a witch hunt to me. Although I wouldn't do it, I don't think "taking a knee" is a sign of disrespect to the flag, unless the kneeler says that that is his intention, People are too quick to assign motives to other people's actions. However, I can see nothing wrong with what he says. This is taking political correctness too far.

For Brees, it came down to money, career, legacy and I suspect that foremost is the safety of his family and himself.
So his opinion changed. (reversed)
Once again, the 3rd estate is storming the Bastille and once again they do not embody the freedoms that they profess to be seeking.
"Out with the old boss, in with the new boss."

It's a different world celebrities live in than the rest of us.

Pro sports are dominated by black people. When your white, your not allowed the same ideas as civilian white people because your whole life is surrounded by black people. They say something is bad, you have to go along with it cause you have nobody to throw the ball to lol, or some may let you get sacked hard because of you beliefs.

I understand both sides, if they are trying to change opinions, it doesnt help their cause when one of the greatest qb a of all time doesn't support it. Seems to them that it will be an excuse for whites to agree with brees.

But the way they make him like he is a bad person or against black people for his view on kneeling during national anthem, is just as bad.

He was put into a spot where He looks like a bad person if he doesn't go along for the ride.

I think the first week of football, all players are going to kneel, including drew brees. And it's going to make some happy and others pissed off.

Put me in the "click them off" camp... if kneeling is what these overpaid morons think is good for our country. If we only paid teachers a tenth of what Pro Athletes receive... and that does not include sponsorships... we might have brighter athletes, lawyers, judges, politicians and plumbers. (Songwriters, too!) LOL!

I wonder how many of these "protesters" are going to come down with (or spread) the darn Corona Virus with all this nonsense? Sad!

I am willing to take Brees at face value. No question his attitude to the US flag is real and to be respected. He did not retract that and was not asked to. But he says now he understands that kneeling was not so much as sign of disrespect as it was a call to awareness and that he is sorry his own justification for respecting the flag was out of touch with what was happening out there today. And he understands and respects that was Kaepernick's explanation at the time.

Back in 1971 MAD magazine had a fold out of the US flag. It was parody, but hard hitting nonetheless. It did not cause the USA a lot of concern at the time, nor did the US disintegrate. But then again the USA did not have Trump calling them sons of ^(&^(s either and using it as political tool to appeal to his base. If you doubt that, Jerry Jones said as much when he said Trump placed a lot of pressure on the league AND thanked them for helping him politically by backing him



And I for one see the worldwide protests as a huge huge awakening. Countries all over the world are looking at their own situations. I know we are. We have problems with police over reaction too...expecially with respect to our Indigenous populations AND we are not immune to criticism over treatment of our black population in certain cities either

And that the protests IS led by young people of all races coming together is huge to me. I don't like the looting that came with the early protests, but after that first night, things settled down and became by and large peaceful. That was a sign of the sixties "peace movement" too. But it also saw the ugliness of Kent State where the National Guard shot and killed university students

And if you think justice is served in cases of police killings, well we know of lots of black cases where police or civilians were either not charged or found not guilty. Here is a case of a white person simply executed, and the executioner was found not guilty, reinstated, then a month later pensioned off. The cop claimed ptsd due to his killing the guy.

Be aware this is extrememely disturbing footage...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/09/us/police-shooting-video-arizona.html

NOTE I know this is not a blanket reaction because police officers HAVE been charged and found guilty and are serving time...but the casual killing (I mean the officer had his hand in his pocket, staring at the camera) of George Floyd was the straw that broke the camel's back.

John, you're wrong about the Brees situation, he WAS asked to retract and he HAS changed his stance, at least publicly

That is part of the issue. He might look at his teammates and think of them as friends, and didn't want to ruffle feathers, and he needs them if he wants to compete this year.

I believe he was sincere in his initial statement and I also believe he is sincere now, but he was in many ways forced to change stance. And most everyone knows he is a good guy and an amazing, hall of famer, for a 6 footer in a league full of 6" 6 lineman with long arms lol

Class guy all around and now I fear he's gonna get hate from his white fanbase, or better put, his fan base of people who take the sanctity of the flag seriously

He cant win here, and it's a shame.

Not sure I see where he was asked to retract his own love for the flag...just the part that referenced his belief about those who knelt.

So yes, he retracted part of what he said...but he still respects and honours the flag and was not asked to retract that.

Hi John:

As a still rather young Nation, I suppose we have much to reflect about. I certainly respect your opinion although I do not entirely agree. Where would we be without Police, Firemen, National Guardsmen and our Military?

The hate speech spewing from so many of these poorly informed protesters regarding the police would quickly disappear if suddenly every policeman decided to find other forms of employment. Descending into chaos because of the act of one man making what appears to have been a bad decision is never a good option.

Without rules and laws, what can we expect other than a war between two races eventually? Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail and we will see these two major, unsettling events pass into history, (Corona Virus and Minneapolis Tragedy) leaving all of us better informed and more understanding.

Regards, my Canadian Friend, ----Dave

John, c'mon I'm not a moron, you're not the only person who can read.

Whether or not he still respects the flag is irrelevant. That wasn't the issue at all.

The issue was he said he will never respect ANYONE kneeling during national anthem. He didn't retract it partially he retracted it completely, and all cause of pressure. Now he's saying he does respect kneeling...basicly

Try to read this and understand what I'm saying
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/6...zes-flag-comments-malcolm-jenkins-saints
New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees publicly apologized for “insensitive” comments he made about NFL players protesting during the national anthem.

In lengthy apology posted on Instagram Thursday morning, Brees said he stands with the black community and wants to be a leader for change. “I am sick about the way my comments were perceived yesterday, but I take full responsibility and accountability,” he wrote.

Brees, the NFL’s all-time passing leader and 13-time Pro Bowler, drew massive backlash from the sports world on Wednesday after he told Yahoo! Finance that he wouldn’t be okay with protesting racial injustice and police brutality if it meant disrespecting the flag, arguing that standing during the anthem signified the country’s unity and represented what civil rights leaders have fought for off the field.

If they would only kneel for the right reason and ask God to forgive and heal the nation, He would heal the nation.

Meanwhile, in the Country Of Hypocrites.......

Uh, Well,
Drew Brees was practicing his freedom of speech as we are all allowed to do here in the U.S. at least. You can say anything, postive or negative about anything you want but you can't slander anyone at the risk of being sued or having your head chopped off, whichever comes first. You also probably can't yell fire in a crowded theatre at the risk of being sued or burned at the stake, whichever comes first!

Ya know life here in the U.S. is still pretty good even with all the up's and downs we expierence. Geronimo!

FD, we are saying the same thing...he changed his mind on the kneeling part and now understands the issue better

“In an attempt to talk about respect, unity, and solidarity centered around the American flag and the national anthem, I made comments that were insensitive and completely missed the mark on the issues we are facing right now as a country,” Brees said Thursday. ”They lacked awareness and any type of compassion or empathy. Instead, those words have become divisive and hurtful and have misled people into believing that somehow I am an enemy. This could not be further from the truth, and is not an accurate reflection of my heart or my character.”


Why would you paint this as a bad thing?. I think he now understands the issue better and shows he is willing to listen, be educated, and change his mind.

Was he pressured? Probably. Was his position at odds with what the NFL now allows...peaceful protest? Yes. Was he contacted by players and others. Yes. Is he taking tons of heat from Trump? Yes. Is he taking tons of heat from many people? Looks that way

Including you who argues he should have stuck to his position, that the pressure was somehow un American...that people should not have to "grow" as people, or that those in the spotlight should not be subject to intense scrutiny for their words.

Hi Dave, I am not at all arguing that the police should be dismantled and calls for such are entirely over reacting. I also believe that things need to change, certainly here in Canada . Exactly how I do not know.

But every city affected by this has to figure things out for themselves. Lots of figures in the police forces and in positions of power in some cities get it, and lots of heads of police forces in Canada and the US have come out on the side of protesters.

They are even kneeling in Canada!

Yup Bob, that was Trudeau in the early ninetees as a 22 year old...taken on a costume day when he was a whitewater instructor...and not the first time he dressed like that

And he paid a political price for it here...he definitely did not get a pass...and he was called out for it last year or two years ago....before all this happened.

And yup, that is him kneeling in the second picture, expressing solidarity.

Call it hypocritical if you like...but maybe it is personal growth and realization he was wrong before....kinda like Drew Brees

Or are you calling me out again for getting involved in a discussion about important events that affect us both? Are you once again telling me to STFU because I should not have an opinion in this?

How about adding something constructive, something we can all think about.

yes Bob, like I said, we also have a problem in Canada...and countries around the world are waking up tho their own issues.

And kneeling, just like the flag, is a powerful symbol. It is a symbol that has now spread around the world

"Are you once again telling me to STFU because I should not have an opinion in this?"


In a word, yes.

"And yup, that is him kneeling in the second picture, expressing solidarity."


"‘GO HOME, BLACKFACE’: Trudeau’s kneeling in solidarity with George Floyd movement backfires"

https://www.rt.com/news/491006-go-home-blackface-trudeau/

@Ray yes everybody has a right to say what they want, that's one of the reasons Drew Breed made his initial statement, people flight for that right. And in his case, he wasn't using free speech just cause he had a right to, he said it cause he meant it and it's not a bad belief to have, just seems to be a controversial one.

Yes, Bob, some people did not take kindly to his kneeling...like I said, he paid and now continues to pay for that.

And Bob, telling someone to STFU because they are not entitled to an opinion says a lot about the person saying it.

Too bad too, because I have listened to your music and it is good. But given this is a pattern with you, I will now associate your music with an intolerant songwriter

Regardless of who's right - you get your news from RT?! From the Russian propaganda network. That's insane.

@ John, I'm not against what they are trying to do, but I dont understand why kneeling at a football game helped their cause.

When you say why would I be against it, I wouldn't but he had to go from wanting everybody to stand in unity, to basicly half standing and half kneeling, all because his fellow athletes made him feel like chit for a simple request and desire. Yes people can change but they don't change since thursday....

It be one thing if drew had some evil agenda, but I can't see why wanting people to stand for our national anthem is a bad thing.

That's funny, John, because I've never even heard your music. Is there any, or do you just bloviate incessantly? This is a music site, after all.

Here you go Bob--at Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5afKOCJ0RXA Reach Out== A World Interfaith Harmony Week Theme song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFPxUcfNps4 Lift each Other Up== Released as part of a songwriter's group project...dealing with isolation & the pandemic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxVe5NrjxkE My Broken Hero Martin == Just released==deals with current events


Here 's a collaboration with Michael Zaneski
https://michaelzaneski.bandcamp.com/track/galways-sons Galway's Sons...lyric writen for music supplied by Michael...


Plus hundred of lyrics posted here...and contributed to thousands more...also here...since Brian had his old black and white board up

Plus lots of other songs...will be doing more on Youtube going forward.

Plus I just finished a "commision" for Pride Week...may release that on Youtube once it gets played here for those that commissioned it

How's things over at The Junction, Gav?

Just slumming over here at Just Pharmaceutical Folks?

Predictable. You seem to be obsessed with that site. Since you ask, just fine, thanks. I don't think you'd like it though. It's pretty much a troll-free zone.
How are things over at the Russian propaganda machine where you get your news?

Well,
Here ya go whoever. You can go listen to FD's favorite song COUNTRY BUMPKIN by Cal Smith on youtube.

I think it's a fine site, Gav.


In fact, you should promote it more here. Let me help you.


http://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1153737/re-songwriters-junction.html#Post1153737

I think people are probably tired of that thread by now, Bob. If you want to read it again, I suggest you print it out and stick it on your fridge next to the picture of Putin.

I disagree. That's the beauty of the internet, Gav. It is forever.


Brian did not accede to your impassioned plea to take down the thread, and the thread is very instructive.

Yes, something you should be keeping in mind when you so clearly show your true colours Bob. Your obvious pattern of intolerance toward free speech, distaste and dismissal of honest debate, personal attacks on those who you disagree with, and your reliance on Russian news will be on display here forever.

Yes, it is instructive, but not in the way you seem to think.

This has gone far enough. As you pointed out to John above, this site is about music. So in that spirit, here's some inspiration for your next song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v6Jw9rsWCE

I don't speak Russian, Gav, but I appreciate the help. What's your next song going to be about, now that you've already done breasts?

I was really young, hockey was my fourth favorite sport, but I remember this like it was yesterday. They were massive underdogs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qYscemhnf88

I don't know, Bob, but if I want to stick to parts of the anatomy, you are all the inspiration I need.

On the other hand of the spectrum, it amazes me how far out of their way people go to be racists. Probably not a good idea threatening the richest person in the world lol.

https://www.newser.com/story/291968...ium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_world_img_b

FD --

Well, people like Bezos aren't making a distinction between the organization, "Black Lives Matter," and the concept of "the lives of people who are black matter." It sounds like his customer, Dave, didn't like Amazon's support of the organization, "Black Lives Matter," and Bezos dishonestly called that man a racist. I do not support the organization, "Black Lives Matter," because they employ all sorts of tactics that I find abhorrent, such as the current rioting, looting, violence against police, defunding of the police, etc. (Their protesters a while back infamously chanted, "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon.")

Using this same tactic, since people fall for it so easily, Monsanto should change its name to "Good Food Matters." Then, when people criticize their organization, they can claim that anyone who disagrees with them doesn't agree that good food matters.

Lisa

That's a horrible chant. On the other hand, suggesting that the fact that some people with Black Lives Matter banners chanted it means that they all chant such hateful garbage or support it is like saying that all police officers kneel on people's necks. You can't apply the "bad apples" argument to one and not the other.

Among all the hyperbole on both sides, we are also seeing the good side to America with demonstrators and police standing together in recognition that change is overdue. That's what happened where I live. It was quite inspiring.

I don't think Bezos was dishonest in calling that particular man a racist. If you read the Instagram post in question, I think you'll agree: https://www.instagram.com/p/CBJrhdzHKNt/

Thanks, Gavin...I agree that the Instagram quote is horrid. That quote does not in any way, shape or form resemble the quote in the article that FD linked to and that I read and was referring to.
FD’s article simply says that the man does not agree with BLM. I wonder why that article didn’t describe it accurately. Also, Bezos should share the person’s last name, so we can verify that it’s true. I do not put it past Bezos to make it up.

Also, the BLM leadership did not denounce the pigs in a blanket quote....and we’ve been hearing from them that silence is compliance. I have not been impressed by BLM for the past few weeks either, sowing mayhem and destruction.

Thx,
Lisa

FD comes up with some good topics......

Well I believe it Bezos was just starting his company, you wouldn't hear anything from him. He doesn't need another penny and can say whatever he wants now, he's still going to dominate the world commerce.

It's always a good idea to shut up when starting out

That said for somebody to write a letter over it, they gotta have some racism in them. Most people don't care enough.

That's true that blm is a political organization and the concept is the important thing

I agree that black lives matter, I don't agree that we have to start a new world order to allow the group to thrive.

I think, that the same people who voted for trump are going to get turned off by this whole media blitz, and he could end up winning again. Sometimes the left hurts their own cause when they blow things up, it's starting to look to some that it all to dethrone trump.

God help this country if that cop gets acquitted, the guy was on drugs so it's not impossible that mitigating circumstances could be entered.

You do come up with good topics, FD.

Also, I don't think we can believe it's real until Bezos releases the last name and it can be checked out. So many of these things turn out to be hoaxes. Without verification, we really can't believe it.

Also, at this point, Bezos doesn't need the money, but because he's a political and ideological animal, he does crave the publicity, and this got him the publicity. Money can't always buy publicity, exactly as you'd like it to be, so you might resort to other means to get the publicity that your money can't buy.

Also, someone in Bezos's company might have planted the e-mail, so Bezos might not even know it's fake. I'm not saying it is fake .... I'm just saying that it can't be believed, without being verified by an independent party. I see no reason why Bezos wouldn't release the guy's last name. When you write to a company, there's no expectation of privacy.

Lisa

But I can't assume he's lyjng? We have lots of crazy people in the world like these idiots mocking the death, same breed of people who attacked anyone who claimed that a death was caused by covid
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/worl...george-floyd-e2-80-99s-death/ar-BB15jcHV

I'm not sticking up for besos he'll gain some customers and lose others, I think it's a credible email. I'm sure he's a total prick to know but that's a different story.

No, I don't assume he's lying. But I don't assume he's telling the truth. Anyone who puts out an anonymous e-mail to prove a point can't be taken seriously. If I gave you an anonymous e-mail right now to prove a point on something, you'd laugh me off the forum. Who uses anonymous e-mails as evidence of anything? Also, the death mocking is disgusting.

I wouldn't laugh you off the forum, in fact, people tell stories all the time here, and nobody has any idea if they're true lol.

Songwriting contracts , publishers telling them they loved their songs, meeting stars...I used to work with a guy who anytime somebody famous came up, he claimed to have met them, or knew somebody who knew them. After ten different people, it becomes unbelievable lol. I've read stories here that I don't believe at all, lol

You may be right maybe he's making it up. Truth is elusive online.