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#1167429 - 08/07/20 11:05 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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“Most of the restrictions we have in place on society are permanent, and I'll never be changed. Everybody knows that covid will not cause permanent restrictions, we all know that probably less than a year, this will be an after thought” – Fde

Hmm… Everybody knows that? I’ve never known the Government to give up powers they’ve accumulated through devious means.

“I mean, 13 Florida Marlins tested positive , 13 Cincinnati reds, if these werent young athletic guys they might be in bad shape now. Just those numbers should tell you how contagious it is. Flu season never had so many guys on one team all get it” – Fde

False premise. The COVID 19 tests are unreliable. Even Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine tested positive, then in the same day tested negative. So, it all leads back to the phony number’s game. I’ve stated on other posts, that this appears to be a bad flu year. But all the corruption has blown it way out of proportion. And don’t quote the death numbers. They’ve already been refuted. I’ve posted several links on this subject.

Gotta leave this thread for a while. It’s getting on my nerves. laugh

Have a happy day everyone!

Best, John smile

#1167430 - 08/07/20 11:28 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Lol I see, so it's just a matter of saying science and facts are wrong, to prove you are right? Flawed testing, maybe. Biggest health pandemic of our generation....unquestionably yes!you

Btw, this guy's season is over...more fake news?
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-kn...ring-from-heart-inflamation-due-to-covid




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#1167432 - 08/07/20 01:32 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Sure the testing is flawed. But it is doubtful bet it is off by more than 5 or 10%. Even if it is off by 25 or 30% the same problem remains. And there are a hundred and fifty thousand deaths headed for double that by December According to some models which I tend to trust at this point. Does anyone really think the better part of a hundred and fifty thousand deaths are mislabeled motorcycle accidents?

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Sure the testing is flawed. But it is doubtful bet it is off by more than 5 or 10%. Even if it is off by 25 or 30% the same problem remains. And there are a hundred and fifty thousand deaths headed for double that by December According to some models which I tend to trust at this point. Does anyone really think the better part of a hundred and fifty thousand deaths are mislabeled motorcycle accidents?


No, heart disease, HIV, stroke, COPD, cancer, Alzheimer’s/ dementia, tuberculosis, pneumonia, brain tumors, diabetes, sleep apnea, asthma, infections, and on & on… All are easy scapegoats to slap the COVID 19 label on.

John smile

#1167436 - 08/07/20 03:37 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Sunset Poet]  
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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
No Brian , I am not going to regret my comments. I'm clear and convinced of what I wrote.

And, Dumb? Not hardly.

Your treatises are laced with unproven "infowar" style assertions that seek to see this disease through a world-wide conspiratorial lens. Your relatives may be front line workers but that does not give validity to unproven and hysterical sounding assertions of conspiracy. It makes your assertions even harder to understand. The disease is a certainty.Your determinations reach well beyond events that you can actually know about.

As for conspiracies...they are non stop in human history.
As for the govt power grab...Western society has been a wrestling match between capitalism and the ever-extending reach of socialism since well before Marx. People who express your views typically demand the "benefits that they paid for" in Sosec , Medicare etc ...even though they only paid in a percentage of what they will take out. But somehow it all squares with being a hard-line capitalist. In reality, it is participation in a GOVERNMENT RUN socialist structure..

As for the constitution, it is a very brief document that does not cover a lot of eventualities. And liberal activist judges have circumvented the amendment process by twisting the words that are there into what they want to happen over and over. Nonetheless that is the process that we are left with for now. And, describing the limits of governmental power in what is clearly a pandemic (to anyone who does not suffer from oblivion) ...as unconstitutional...is going well past a given individual's knowledge of what is or is not constitutional. The govt has broad powers in national emerrgencies. The pandemic is a global emergency. Being forced to wear a mask is trivial compared to some of the "freedoms" that the govt has actually dissolved in the last few decades.

Conspiracies are real. In the media, political parties, the JPF song nominations. It's just part of life. But taking them to an unproven level in order to make a case against what the govt can and cannot do to stem a pandemic....IS A CONSPIRACY in and of itself. A lot of what happens in society is not primarily conspiracy but random dysfunction on the part of fools and beligerents.

The virus, on the other hand, is something that will enter your body and do you some level of damage. The govt should be taking steps to limit that prospect. If they did nothing and just watched disease spread...then you would say THAT was the conspiracy. And that assertion would seem more plausible than the ones that you are making..






It's ignorant and dumb to assume what I do or do not know about Covid wings in hospitals. I made no such "assumption" about you. So, yes, you were both ignorant and dumb to suggest otherwise without asking. I didn't bother to read anymore of this post as it is clear you are not dealing with any reality. But unlike your brethren in media who feed you the lies, I don't censor people here for their opinions. I only censor trolls. If I thought you were a troll, you'd be gone already. But what I said was factual and based on easy to find sources in the mainstream media a well as first hand reports by real people all over the US and in countries around the world. Please choose the items that are fiction? People get banned daily sometimes by the thousands on social media for having the wrong political views. When polled every group of people other than self described "Far Left" out of Far Left, Moderate Left, Moderate Right and Far Right said they are NOT free to speak their mind or opinions online or in public. Are you actually unaware of cancel culture? Seriously? Are you unaware NYC is now blockaded by Checkpoints? You now must quarantine 2 weeks and will (from the Mayors own mouth) be followed and monitored to make sure you are secluded 100% for 2 weeks before you can be in public. You must supply them with your location and expect them to check. If they catch you out of your room or location, it is a 10K fine. In Minneapolis and Seattle they have voted to defund the police. In Michigan they wouldn't let citizens buy seeds to plant home gardens even though they were allowed in the stores that sold them. This was when they feared the most that millions would die and starvation was a concern. I could list 100's of examples, but if you are unfamiliar with these and others you are avoiding readily available info on the dictates of these authoritarians. BLM is run by Marxist trained leaders. This is in their OWN bios!

I re read my post looking for any comment that shouldn't be common knowledge and found none. So please get out of whatever bubble is hiding this info from you and see what is going on.


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The number of deaths may be over-counted, but they could be under-counted.

No matter what, we all saw the scenes from NYC, NJ, Connecticut, then Arizona, Texas and Florida where the ICU beds were over run with patients. We heard stories from real doctors and nurses that saw death and illness like they had never seen before.

If you don't think covid-19 is real, then there isn't really much to discuss.


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#1167438 - 08/07/20 03:43 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
The number of deaths may be over-counted, but they could be under-counted.

No matter what, we all saw the scenes from NYC, NJ, Connecticut, then Arizona, Texas and Florida where the ICU beds were over run with patients. We heard stories from real doctors and nurses that saw death and illness like they had never seen before.

If you don't think covid-19 is real, then there isn't really much to discuss.


Kevin, They never used most of the big facilities they set up in NYC. None on the hospital boat, none in the stadium etc. Who has said it isn't real? I haven't. I am offering examples of "never let a crises go to waste" Marxist power grab. THAT is happening regardless of the rest.


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
The number of deaths may be over-counted, but they could be under-counted.

No matter what, we all saw the scenes from NYC, NJ, Connecticut, then Arizona, Texas and Florida where the ICU beds were over run with patients. We heard stories from real doctors and nurses that saw death and illness like they had never seen before.

If you don't think covid-19 is real, then there isn't really much to discuss.


Kevin, Govs. in 5 states placed those most ill with Covid into NURSING homes and wiped out the residents inside. This was straight up murder. Are you aware of it? In one facility, the director removed her mother before she brought the sick people in, her mother of course survived. This is not a secret. If actively sick and dying Covid patients can be put into nursing homes "safely" then what is anyone worried about? (That's rhetorical, not an actual question). That was murder by any other name they give it.


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#1167443 - 08/07/20 04:16 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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"Murder" is a way overblown accusation. Yes, NY and the northeast blew it -- they were following CDC guidelines for flu outbreaks. That didn't work very well for covid. About 20% of the NY deaths were nursing home patients. Even removing that number still caused about 26K deaths in NY.

I am not sure what your point is.


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Brian...your comment...

"It's ignorant and dumb to assume what I do or do not know about Covid wings in hospitals. I made no such "assumption" about you. So, yes, you were both ignorant and dumb to suggest otherwise without asking. I didn't bother to read anymore of this post as it is clear you are not dealing with any reality. But unlike your brethren in media who feed you the lies, I don't censor people here for their opinions."

#1 It was you who started throwing around "dumb" and "ignorant." That's what people do when they dont have a good actual argument.
#2 You didnt read any further when you recognized my lack of reality. So you suspended reading what I said and are responding entirely on a quick reaction and emotion.... which is a definition of ignorance.
#3 You define the following content-less assertions as "common knowledge."....

"The Gov is working out of a power grab and nonsensical standards meant to further isolate people, anger people, depress people and destroy people. All they want in the end are obedient drones. They have it in spades already, so they are going after any stragglers with a vengeance. They have attacked religion viciously. "

The executive branch is Trump. The Senate is headed by McConnell. Who in ""the govt"" is methodically doing what you describe in this rant?
That is an empty rant. You are wreaking havoc on your own mind.

I wasnt going to say that but you opened up with the personal and low brow insults.


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Right now, the three strongest voices that I see pushing the "hoax agenda" are Hannity and Limbaugh and Trump. And maybe Carlson and a few others. And sprinkle in some big-time evangelicals who cant pass the plate right now because nobody is in the pews. They feed the hoax message down to the the Am jocks and their obedient masses and the message gets repeated unquestioned and flies in the face of facts.

I 've been listening to Limbaugh since his first year. I am conservative. I am in line with many of his viewpoints. Hannity, not as much. I think that Trump is nutz but will vote for him rather than Biden.
Again, I'm conservative, but this purple cool aid that is being served up in the repub party right now is not something that a thinking person will drink.

Hannity and Limbaugh have motor mouths and a gift for inflaming the passions of people who consider themselves conservative. But neither went to college. So am I going to listen to them regarding this disease or someone with advanced degrees from MIT who has studied nothing but diseases for their entire lives? As well as every doctor that I know except for a bare handful of quacks that tried to steal a spot light last week.




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One last attempt...

A cold is a part of the large corona virus’s family. And no one has ever even made a vaccine for the cold, though many have tried and all have failed. What I mentioned in a prior post, which was totally ignored, is the test that is used for the coronavirus is the PCR test, created by Kary Mullis in the 80s (for which he won a Nobel Prize). He said that it should never to be used to diagnose any infectious diseases.

We probably shouldn’t use the term COVID 19 any longer (it doesn’t exist). The so-called Covid-19 virus has never been isolated, i.e., seen under an electron microscope...all photos are merely digital doctored versions of what it might look like!

This is like banging my head against the wall – a brick wall… Now I’m really leaving this thread.

Be happy, don’t worry – Big Brother will take care of you, John smile

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
One last attempt...

A cold is a part of the large corona virus’s family. And no one has ever even made a vaccine for the cold, though many have tried and all have failed. What I mentioned in a prior post, which was totally ignored, is the test that is used for the coronavirus is the PCR test, created by Kary Mullis in the 80s (for which he won a Nobel Prize). He said that it should never to be used to diagnose any infectious diseases.

We probably shouldn’t use the term COVID 19 any longer (it doesn’t exist). The so-called Covid-19 virus has never been isolated, i.e., seen under an electron microscope...all photos are merely digital doctored versions of what it might look like!

This is like banging my head against the wall – a brick wall… Now I’m really leaving this thread.

Be happy, don’t worry – Big Brother will take care of you, John 😊


A few yea rs ago, I went to a certain doctor here in the Texas Medical Center in order to try to make sense out of some symptoms that I was having at the time. He is well known for being a syndrome detective. Real smart man. My wife saw him yesterday. She asked him about taking a vacation and the risks. In the conversation he said that this disease is being equated to "the flu." He adamantly said that this is not "the flu." Why? Because it is not the flu. he is an extremely skilfull medical technician...Why would he lie? Who do I believe?

Even Trump stated that the flu doesnt leave a trail of corpses like this.

Herman Cain, for instance, is DEAD...because he did not recognize the obviousness of the threat.

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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
"Murder" is a way overblown accusation. Yes, NY and the northeast blew it -- they were following CDC guidelines for flu outbreaks. That didn't work very well for covid. About 20% of the NY deaths were nursing home patients. Even removing that number still caused about 26K deaths in NY.

I am not sure what your point is.


The point? 45 other states had common sense. If Covid is so dangerous, as you and Martin have established in your views, to the ELDERLY and SICK, why would you put them into home where these exact helpless people are trapped? (Remember, they were not even allowed visits by family, they were 100% prisoners inside these death chambers). The ONLY reason you would do something so obviously evil is to raise the death toll.

You say that was ONLY 20%? How about now remove all the deaths of people with clearly obvious morbities which they admit they counted as covid no matter what if they tested positive. Someone in ICU with end stage cancer or at a hospice already were counted as Covid deaths. All fake totals.

BUT.. I am not suggesting Covid isn't real. It's a virus. There are countless Coronaviruses all around us, some worse than others. I have 4 or 5 (depending on my Dr.) dangerous morbidities so I stay inside out of harms way. We have a 30 minute process my wife has to go by to come into the house after work every day. She is in the middle of all sick people as are her 4 sisters who are ICU nurses. I know more about the realities of this than most people on earth. I don't know what your personal experiences are, but those are mine. I hear them talk daily about all the details of reality, not news stories which lie to your face.

Teen suicides are now outpacing Covid deaths. Think about how horrific that is? But Gov allows smoking which ALWAYS kills 6-7 million people every year and has for decades. And now they are making up for losses by adding pot smoking to the numbers to keep those cancer deaths going. And don't try to say Pot won't cause cancer. The gov couldn't care less about 150K deaths if they happily allow 6 million people to die from smoking each year. If you play the "freedom to smoke" card then how can they remove all these other freedoms for a tiny fraction of the deaths?

Wake up. You're a good person and way too smart not to see this. Do you really think I am lying? What to trick you so you'll die? We had to cancel 2 family weddings and 3 trips and could not attend 2 funerals which were not permitted. We can't go to church. Our neices and nephews can't go to school and one has horrific nightmares every night that he's going to die even though kids are as safe as they have been at any other time.

Some people will always die. Likely if I get the flu or CV or pneumonia it will be me. I don't want my granddaughters or nieces and nephews lives ruined to protect me. I can protect myself and I am doing so. My wife has been working front lines through this entire thing and my son who also has co-morbidities has to keep working to provide for his family. My entire family has kept right on working in the line of fire while so many sit in their homes safe from threat and act like experts without their own skin in the game. If it is safe enough for my family to keep working, why shouldn't anyone else be allowed to work? There will always be a giant number of people needed to do work no matter the threat or we all starve and freeze in winter and it becomes dystopia. Meanwhile, while they risk their lives, our rights are being trampled. After a week of being in harms way, my sisters can't go to their church and pray for the dead with their congregation. That is as REAL as it gets Kevin.


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"A few yea rs ago, I went to a certain doctor here in the Texas Medical Center in order to try to make sense out of some symptoms that I was having at the time. He is well known for being a syndrome detective. Real smart man. My wife saw him yesterday. She asked him about taking a vacation and the risks. In the conversation he said that this disease is being equated to "the flu." He adamantly said that this is not "the flu." Why? Because it is not the flu. he is an extremely skilfull medical technician...Why would he lie? Who do I believe? - Sunset


So, some smart unnamed doctor (or medical technician), a few years ago, that had to answer to the Texas Medical Center, stated to a 3rd party yesterday (your wife), that it isn’t the flu – however, no answer to what it is instead? Is he a Nobel Prize winner too? laugh

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Brian...your comment...

"It's ignorant and dumb to assume what I do or do not know about Covid wings in hospitals. I made no such "assumption" about you. So, yes, you were both ignorant and dumb to suggest otherwise without asking. I didn't bother to read anymore of this post as it is clear you are not dealing with any reality. But unlike your brethren in media who feed you the lies, I don't censor people here for their opinions."

#1 It was you who started throwing around "dumb" and "ignorant." That's what people do when they dont have a good actual argument.
#2 You didnt read any further when you recognized my lack of reality. So you suspended reading what I said and are responding entirely on a quick reaction and emotion.... which is a definition of ignorance.
#3 You define the following content-less assertions as "common knowledge."....

"The Gov is working out of a power grab and nonsensical standards meant to further isolate people, anger people, depress people and destroy people. All they want in the end are obedient drones. They have it in spades already, so they are going after any stragglers with a vengeance. They have attacked religion viciously. "

The executive branch is Trump. The Senate is headed by McConnell. Who in ""the govt"" is methodically doing what you describe in this rant?
That is an empty rant. You are wreaking havoc on your own mind.

I wasnt going to say that but you opened up with the personal and low brow insults.



I give you Gov support for BLM riots and threats that white supremacists are behind every door. I give you this false Left/Right dichotomy which keeps people at each others throats while the Rs and Ds are in it together and this I know from first hand experience with living breathing Rs and Ds Representatives and Senators, in their offices, at lunches and dinners, in their local offices and in their DC offices, sitting on panels with them or speaking to them. It is a charade. Behind the scenes some of the biggest rivals are good buddys. The Clintons and Trumps have long scratched each others backs. It is the elites against the rest of us. This they admit because for a time I was on the inside with these people. When they learned I was actually sincere, they moved on to easier targets. It's all played to the camera. And they are all power hungry. I did not support Trump, but I must say he has thrown a monkey wrench into this cozy arrangement because he's many bad things, but one thing he isn't is playing ball with this bullshit. So they have pulled out ALL the stops to destroy him and the fabric of our society. They are heavily in bed with China and wait and see, things are going to ramp up badly (much worse than now) because he's taking action against China. Tik Tok has 45 days to severe all ties with China before they are banned. It's not only Spyware, but much more insidious.

But where are the politicians? They are siding with China. They will not call out the fact that China uses slave labor in concentration camps. OUR Reps should be 100% calling it out, but where are they? They should have stood up for the freedoms from abuse for those in Hong Kong.. but where are they? China now has censor control over Hollywood and the Music Industry. Did you know that? It's been ramping up because all these companies desire their market more than the West.

Do you really think I am lying to you? Do you think I want you dead? I am serious, what "motives" do you think I have? I fear you've fallen victim to propaganda. There's no doubt we all have, but I can only trust first hand accounts by family, first hand accounts of my own and things I see with my own eyes on video or from the horses mouths. It's easy to see how people can be misled. This is not a political issue. Politics are theater and nothing more to politicians. They do not have our sincerity or principles. We can disagree on Life versus Choice. But those things do not cross their minds. They are divisional tactics in a long game war to amass ultimate power and they are pretty much there.

We're not enemies, you and I. Sure, rhetoric can get spicy, but that is because we have beliefs. But those are not the rules they are playing with. They only believe in power.


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"If Covid is so dangerous, as you and Martin have established in your views, to the ELDERLY and SICK, why would you put them into home where these exact helpless people are trapped? "

That is easy. You are the governor of a state such as NY, and a pandemic comes out of nowhere and creates havoc on your constituents. A pandemic has not even occurred in your lifetime. All at once you have a massive threat to deal with and no precedents. You have hundreds of decisions to make immediately. With no experience with pandemics or this particular disease, you decide to put old people in old folks homes where people deal with their issues every day.

The disease turns out to be massively transmissive. The old folks homes do not control who comes and goes and the unintended consequence is carnage of the old folks.

Then, the right wing political machine sees an opportunity to assassinate your character (Cuomo) with labels like "murderer" and their obedient drones fall in line with it. Screaming at the image on the wall in Orwellian fashion.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
One last attempt...

A cold is a part of the large corona virus’s family. And no one has ever even made a vaccine for the cold, though many have tried and all have failed. What I mentioned in a prior post, which was totally ignored, is the test that is used for the coronavirus is the PCR test, created by Kary Mullis in the 80s (for which he won a Nobel Prize). He said that it should never to be used to diagnose any infectious diseases.

We probably shouldn’t use the term COVID 19 any longer (it doesn’t exist). The so-called Covid-19 virus has never been isolated, i.e., seen under an electron microscope...all photos are merely digital doctored versions of what it might look like!

This is like banging my head against the wall – a brick wall… Now I’m really leaving this thread.

Be happy, don’t worry – Big Brother will take care of you, John 😊


A few yea rs ago, I went to a certain doctor here in the Texas Medical Center in order to try to make sense out of some symptoms that I was having at the time. He is well known for being a syndrome detective. Real smart man. My wife saw him yesterday. She asked him about taking a vacation and the risks. In the conversation he said that this disease is being equated to "the flu." He adamantly said that this is not "the flu." Why? Because it is not the flu. he is an extremely skilfull medical technician...Why would he lie? Who do I believe?

Even Trump stated that the flu doesnt leave a trail of corpses like this.

Herman Cain, for instance, is DEAD...because he did not recognize the obviousness of the threat.


He's dead because he was already dying. But that doesn't matter. If the Go cared about all this social distancing and mask wearing why would they continue to endorse BLM protests? See Bill DeBlasio who locked down all of NYC but said you can still protest BLM.

But the above: Where did John say it was the FLU? He said it was the Coronavirus which is the same family as supposed Covid 19. He also said other important things, you might read it and see. I have 2 JPF Member Ivy league epidemiologists one who confirmed what John said and the other who said "I can't discuss this." You're welcome to think I am lying. But to what purpose? If I am an irrational actor, why have you supported the site for so long Martin? I had dinner with one of them a week before all this started. He sought me out because of something I had written a few weeks ago and we discussed all this. The other has been a member and has performed many times at events. They aren't trying to kill you either. They weren't saying it was fake, but one did say we should not be shut down and the net effect will cause far more deaths worldwide than anything the virus will.

Now, here's an opinion NOT backed by proven facts: It is my OPINION that the worst is yet to come, and it won't be an accident. I sure hope I am wrong and will relish you telling me I am.


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[quote=Brian Austin Whitney

I give you Gov support for BLM riots and threats that white supremacists are behind every door. I give you this false Left/Right dichotomy which keeps people at each others throats while the Rs and Ds are in it together and this I know from first hand experience with living breathing Rs and Ds Representatives and Senators, in their offices, at lunches and dinners, in their local offices and in their DC offices, sitting on panels with them or speaking to them. It is a charade. Behind the scenes some of the biggest rivals are good buddys. The Clintons and Trumps have long scratched each others backs. It is the elites against the rest of us. This they admit because for a time I was on the inside with these people. When they learned I was actually sincere, they moved on to easier targets. It's all played to the camera. And they are all power hungry. I did not support Trump, but I must say he has thrown a monkey wrench into this cozy arrangement because he's many bad things, but one thing he isn't is playing ball with this bullshit. So they have pulled out ALL the stops to destroy him and the fabric of our society. They are heavily in bed with China and wait and see, things are going to ramp up badly (much worse than now) because he's taking action against China. Tik Tok has 45 days to severe all ties with China before they are banned. It's not only Spyware, but much more insidious.

But where are the politicians? They are siding with China. They will not call out the fact that China uses slave labor in concentration camps. OUR Reps should be 100% calling it out, but where are they? They should have stood up for the freedoms from abuse for those in Hong Kong.. but where are they? China now has censor control over Hollywood and the Music Industry. Did you know that? It's been ramping up because all these companies desire their market more than the West.

Do you really think I am lying to you? Do you think I want you dead? I am serious, what "motives" do you think I have? I fear you've fallen victim to propaganda. There's no doubt we all have, but I can only trust first hand accounts by family, first hand accounts of my own and things I see with my own eyes on video or from the horses mouths. It's easy to see how people can be misled. This is not a political issue. Politics are theater and nothing more to politicians. They do not have our sincerity or principles. We can disagree on Life versus Choice. But those things do not cross their minds. They are divisional tactics in a long game war to amass ultimate power and they are pretty much there.

We're not enemies, you and I. Sure, rhetoric can get spicy, but that is because we have beliefs. But those are not the rules they are playing with. They only believe in power.
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Brian

I know that people conspire and connive. The British once flooded China with opium to render them useless and acquiescent. (Boxer Rebellion)

But in all of the above assertions, I see nothing that proves up a government conspiracy to anger and isolate me.
There are people in the govt who want old white guys such as me to die off and they work steadily against what they think that I am. But I see no evidence that "the govt" is a monolith that plots my destruction.

I read that BLM has a 1.2 billion dollar war chest behind it. IF (big IF) that is true , I wonder where that money came from. Yet, regardless of how those issues turn out...COVID 19 is a threat to me right now and if I dont recognize and avoid it, like Herman Cain, I could end up unable to do anything about anything.



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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
"A few yea rs ago, I went to a certain doctor here in the Texas Medical Center in order to try to make sense out of some symptoms that I was having at the time. He is well known for being a syndrome detective. Real smart man. My wife saw him yesterday. She asked him about taking a vacation and the risks. In the conversation he said that this disease is being equated to "the flu." He adamantly said that this is not "the flu." Why? Because it is not the flu. he is an extremely skilfull medical technician...Why would he lie? Who do I believe? - Sunset


So, some smart unnamed doctor (or medical technician), a few years ago, that had to answer to the Texas Medical Center, stated to a 3rd party yesterday (your wife), that it isn’t the flu – however, no answer to what it is instead? Is he a Nobel Prize winner too? laugh

John


The doctor is for real. I don't lie. I am not exaggerating his abilities. I'm not about to put his name into this spin cycle without his consent which I am not going to ask for. You wouldnt believe anything about it anyway. But it happened and he knows what he is talking about and he is correct.

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Martin, I really have to take my hat off to you. You are a self-proclaimed conservative and the views you express reflect that. You and I disagree on a long list of things, although I think we manage to discuss them rationally and respectfully and even have a laugh. But, why the heck should you be so unique?

A conservative who doesn't subscribe to every hare-brained conspiracy theory that comes along, who doesn't see "the government" as some monolithic evil entity that is out to enslave you, but a collection of flawed human beings, who do things that are both good and bad, smart and stupid. You write, "I read that BLM has a 1.2 billion dollar war chest behind it. IF (big IF) that is true..." not automatically swallowing information that sounds a bit dubious just because it supports your world view. Where are the other conservatives like you? It sometimes seems that we are no longer living in a world that pits left against right, but rather rational against irrational, science against superstition, enlightenment against medieval, acceptance of reality against a rejection of it in favor of preconceived notions of what reality ought to be. Political labels just haven't caught up with these changes.

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Martin, I really have to take my hat off to you. You are a self-proclaimed conservative and the views you express reflect that. You and I disagree on a long list of things, although I think we manage to discuss them rationally and respectfully and even have a laugh. But, why the heck should you be so unique?

A conservative who doesn't subscribe to every hare-brained conspiracy theory that comes along, who doesn't see "the government" as some monolithic evil entity that is out to enslave you, but a collection of flawed human beings, who do things that are both good and bad, smart and stupid. You write, "I read that BLM has a 1.2 billion dollar war chest behind it. IF (big IF) that is true..." not automatically swallowing information that sounds a bit dubious just because it supports your world view. Where are the other conservatives like you? It sometimes seems that we are no longer living in a world that pits left against right, but rather rational against irrational, science against superstition, enlightenment against medieval, acceptance of reality against a rejection of it in favor of preconceived notions of what reality ought to be. Political labels just haven't caught up with these changes.


Thank you Gavin.
I've had a sh t day. Not because of this thread. What has been said here is no problem.
But work (which I enjoy) was a turd today. Your attaboy gave me a much needed lift. Thank you very much for that.

With kind regards,

Marty

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
"If Covid is so dangerous, as you and Martin have established in your views, to the ELDERLY and SICK, why would you put them into home where these exact helpless people are trapped? "

That is easy. You are the governor of a state such as NY, and a pandemic comes out of nowhere and creates havoc on your constituents. A pandemic has not even occurred in your lifetime. All at once you have a massive threat to deal with and no precedents. You have hundreds of decisions to make immediately. With no experience with pandemics or this particular disease, you decide to put old people in old folks homes where people deal with their issues every day.

The disease turns out to be massively transmissive. The old folks homes do not control who comes and goes and the unintended consequence is carnage of the old folks.

Then, the right wing political machine sees an opportunity to assassinate your character (Cuomo) with labels like "murderer" and their obedient drones fall in line with it. Screaming at the image on the wall in Orwellian fashion.


Martin, so no doctors were consulted even though it was the headline of the day saying worldwide "we must shut down to protect the elderly and sick from Coronavirus so even the healthy must lock down so as not to bring the virus into your home to kill Grandma and Grandpa. It was EVERYWHERE!!! Is your memory that short? That was the first and biggest fear tactic. But you're saying ONLY in those 5 Dem controlled States with Dem controlled Cities they had no access to TV or the Internet or Doctors or anyone else who could tell them the obvious? People that stupid would need to be removed from office don't you think? But now we should listen to them?


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Well Martys state of Texas didn't want to believe it, neither did florida Republican run states.... Florida refused to kick people off the beach, and are now worse than us.

This is what I think. Everybody formed an opinion at the onset. When it first hit my first suspicion was this is a ploy to make trump look bad. That didn't last long because of where I live. I mean I didn't have to read about it, I saw what was happening. Mayors making announcements that we are three beds away from overfull, we don't have enough ppp, body bags carrying people out of old age homes, trucks picking up bodies from hospitals.

The doctors I know through mutual friends had their business completely dry up, one guy a back surgeon didn't work the entire time, only as a volunteer in the hospital.

But we form initial opinions and we don't give it up easy. I admit, if somebody came along and proved to me that this was a hoax, I'd have an extremely hard time letting it go.

All I would say is, the shut down and lockdown were all we had. I recently read that in Shakespeare's time the bubonic plague kept that area down for 7 years. And it worked with the spanish flu. It works but in our modern society it's hard for people to accept.

As I said, we will find a solution, and I hope nobody has to deal with this disease directly.

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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
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"If Covid is so dangerous, as you and Martin have established in your views, to the ELDERLY and SICK, why would you put them into home where these exact helpless people are trapped? "

That is easy. You are the governor of a state such as NY, and a pandemic comes out of nowhere and creates havoc on your constituents. A pandemic has not even occurred in your lifetime. All at once you have a massive threat to deal with and no precedents. You have hundreds of decisions to make immediately. With no experience with pandemics or this particular disease, you decide to put old people in old folks homes where people deal with their issues every day.

The disease turns out to be massively transmissive. The old folks homes do not control who comes and goes and the unintended consequence is carnage of the old folks.

Then, the right wing political machine sees an opportunity to assassinate your character (Cuomo) with labels like "murderer" and their obedient drones fall in line with it. Screaming at the image on the wall in Orwellian fashion.


Martin, so no doctors were consulted even though it was the headline of the day saying worldwide "we must shut down to protect the elderly and sick from Coronavirus so even the healthy must lock down so as not to bring the virus into your home to kill Grandma and Grandpa. It was EVERYWHERE!!! Is your memory that short? That was the first and biggest fear tactic. But you're saying ONLY in those 5 Dem controlled States with Dem controlled Cities they had no access to TV or the Internet or Doctors or anyone else who could tell them the obvious? People that stupid would need to be removed from office don't you think? But now we should listen to them?


No my memory is not that short.
But I watched Cuomo's pressers everyday for a while..because I had nothing else to do at the time.
I think that he and his people made a terrible miscalculation and I think that many people died who would be alive now if he had not made that miscalculation.
But (to me) he looked like someone who was trying hard to get it as right as he could and it got away from him. I saw no malevolence. I saw nothing that I would accuse of "murder."

You want murderers? The Chinese communist party are your murderers. Cuomo was an American governor trying to figure out his next Trump slam when all hell broke loose.
That disease left China under secrecy and created premature death and havoc across the entire planet because those monsters dont give a damn about humanity at large.

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Well Martys state of Texas didn't want to believe it, neither did florida Republican run states.... Florida refused to kick people off the beach, and are now worse than us.

This is what I think. Everybody formed an opinion at the onset. When it first hit my first suspicion was this is a ploy to make trump look bad. That didn't last long because of where I live. I mean I didn't have to read about it, I saw what was happening. Mayors making announcements that we are three beds away from overfull, we don't have enough ppp, body bags carrying people out of old age homes, trucks picking up bodies from hospitals.

The doctors I know through mutual friends had their business completely dry up, one guy a back surgeon didn't work the entire time, only as a volunteer in the hospital.

But we form initial opinions and we don't give it up easy. I admit, if somebody came along and proved to me that this was a hoax, I'd have an extremely hard time letting it go.

All I would say is, the shut down and lockdown were all we had. I recently read that in Shakespeare's time the bubonic plague kept that area down for 7 years. And it worked with the spanish flu. It works but in our modern society it's hard for people to accept.

As I said, we will find a solution, and I hope nobody has to deal with this disease directly.


My democrat mayor took the heat for calling off the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo. A two week long Rodeo and Livestock show held every night in an NFL stadium and the exhibition center next door featuring a rodeo and a follow up marquis singing act. He called it off right after it began so people had committed time and money. And he got it right. We're getting hit now but this is probably nothing compared to what would have happened if the HLSR had gone complete.

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Cuomo comes off as arrogant to me, and he did some things wrong, but I believe he earned his paycheck . I mean people are forgetting that this wasn't something that all dems got together and said, "ok let's get a virus in country, this way we can get bailed oit, and get trump out .

NOBODY saw this coming, the blame game is an easy one to
Play, worse case scenario already happened.

Did anybody call Trump and say...ok this absolutely the worst thing our country will ever see and has seen in a hundred years? Course not, and what can you do? You don't have the therapeutics, you don't have a vaccine, you don't even have doctors with much experience with covid and the science was lacking .

No, governors were thrown into the fire, dems, repubs, before this the only time I saw Murphy was at fanduel sports book lol. He wanted to see how it was runningg, came in for 5 minutes and walked out. But I never envisioned seeing his face on tv every day for 5 months and I'm sure he didn't anticipate that

And how often are the governor's and mayors asked to be this involved? Once in a lifetime .


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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Cuomo comes off as arrogant to me, and he did some things wrong, but I believe he earned his paycheck . I mean people are forgetting that this wasn't something that all dems got together and said, "ok let's get a virus in country, this way we can get bailed oit, and get trump out .

NOBODY saw this coming, the blame game is an easy one to
Play, worse case scenario already happened.

Did anybody call Trump and say...ok this absolutely the worst thing our country will ever see and has seen in a hundred years? Course not, and what can you do? You don't have the therapeutics, you don't have a vaccine, you don't even have doctors with much experience with covid and the science was lacking .

No, governors were thrown into the fire, dems, repubs, before this the only time I saw Murphy was at fanduel sports book lol. He wanted to see how it was runningg, came in for 5 minutes and walked out. But I never envisioned seeing his face on tv every day for 5 months and I'm sure he didn't anticipate that

And how often are the governor's and mayors asked to be this involved? Once in a lifetime . The repub guvs of Fla and Ga would have killed half of NYC if they had the job.




All true..

I got a little tired of Cuomo's "my momma's spagetti" schtick, but I thought he truly wanted the best outcome possible and worked hard.
I got tired of him and his brother kissing each other about the face and throwing "us" parties, because I do see the brother as somewhat malevolent.

But I doubt that very many people would have done any better than Andrew at the pandemic.

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John,

Maybe it's just a really bad flu season, as you say. Maybe all the media and hype is someone elses agenda to cause pain and wreck havoc on our way of life.

Here's a thought experiment you could try..I want you to imagine that in a parallel universe there is a REAL Covid-19 epidemic, and I want you to think about what that looks like. What that entails. Take 5 minutes and do this. You want to know your beliefs are founded on solid ground, so perhaps one way of doing this is to know that "you would know a REAL pandemic with REAL SERIOUS complications" when it happens. And it may be enlightening to hear your thoughts as well..

I hope the composing is going well for you. I am deep into modern (and much of it experimental) composition at the moment and enjoying my toys.

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Dave,

Glad to know you are enduring while remaining endearing, LOL. Your posts on this thread are so diplomatic and enjoyable. In this world where it feels like we have gone back into "the cave" cuz we can't tell what's a fact and what's a lie--we have to remember to act with prudence, "as if" we DON'T KNOW all the answers..for the only real harm that can come from our actions is when they endanger another human being.

Love you man..

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Fde,

Enjoying your very reasonable posts here. Stay safe..If I ever am at The Meadowlands betting the buggy races, I'll give you fair warning..

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Martin,

What Gavin said.. smile

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Gavin,

Good to read you and get that "Gavin spirit" which lifts me up and helps me enjoy my day.

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Brian,

I would love for you to explain how exactly the INTENTIONAL fudging of numbers is taking place. as you seem to be suggesting that there is some organized plan-of-attack to raise the Covid-19 deathtoll.

So tell me, please, how exactly is this happening, say, in hospitals, at the level of hospital workers. Are there memos/emails being sent down to the basement so coroners, en masse, know to take any death that looks remotely Covid-19-ish and just sign them off that way? Wait..that would mean a paper trail, and we'd see more evidence of that. It would have to be clandestine meetings at the water cooler, with CEOs whispering to coroners..and then the evil deeds begin..certainly a lowly coroner would just want to do his job, right?

And then multiply that by the tens of thousands and there you go..

I'm not sure that's the case. Now maybe there's a rogue Hospital CEO or two..but there would have to be some massive darkweb directive to get so many on the same page, I would think.

But it seems more likely to me that any coroner error would be due to stress rather than being told to "fudge the numbers, we want Trump out." And suggesting such top-down, amazingly clandestine organizational and networking skills for this to be occuring across the country is rather far-fetched sounding to me.

I am not saying error within the system does not occur, but you are imagining such malevolent intention that I find it hard to believe without more hard evidence than what you have brought.

Same with Cuomo and the 5 dem states. "Murder" signifies intention. You give no evidence that Cuomo planned to kill old people. You simply took the fact that many old folks died (many of those due to being moved to rest homes) after Cuomo's directives and then backwards-engineered his intentions, saying it was "murder" --meaning intentional decisions meant to kill people. Forgive me saying this, but do you have some psychic link to Cuomo? Or is your thinking more like, "well, what else could it be, all those people died, that just doesn't happen unless it's something you want to happen.." ...? If it's more like the latter, may I suggest that perhaps it's a failure of your imagination to ascribe any other possibilties to how things could have played out the way they did?

I mean..that's a pretty strong accusation and I would expect to see it backed up with some real evidence. It seems more likely to me that he's just another human being doing his best under unusual and extrememly harsh circumstances.

And FWIW and IMHO, there doesn't need to be a "deep state" for Dems and Repubs to be at eachothers' throat, or Blacks and cops to bump and grind..just daily life in all its harsh realities. It's easy to backwards engineer from truths and facts and ascribe supreme, top-down, intentional behavior..yes, Dems and Repubs are at eachothers' throat and it may very well be that this serves those who will steal the candy from the cigar box when no one's looking. But that's different than saying this war between left and right is manufacturered by a malevolent OTHER. Many psychologists will say THAT is a lot of magical thinking, and it does not need to exist for the actual problem to be real.

It can be very satisfying to ascribe supreme intention to what happens on this earth. For eons, man thought that violent storms were a result of God's wrath, but now we know better. Such contemporary Illuminati-like thinking is no different, in my opinion, just tailored more for modern man. Existential man.

********************************************

This thread has been an enjoyable read and made me stop and think about things, which is always good..

Itt made we want to stop by and say "hi" and let you all know I'm doing alright.. I hope Ray is okay. I'd have expected to see him in this thread..

Stay safe, everybody..

Later,


Mike





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Mike, how great to hear from you! I've really missed you here. Always so generous with help and advice, offered with a large dollop of encouragement.

I'm glad to hear you are enjoying composing all that new-fangled modern stuff. Look forward to hearing some of it. smile

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Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski


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Brian,

I would love for you to explain how exactly the INTENTIONAL fudging of numbers is taking place. as you seem to be suggesting that there is some organized plan-of-attack to raise the Covid-19 deathtoll.



Easy.

They admit they include ANY death that occurs when someone has Coronavirus (Not Covid 19, there is no specific test for it) as a death FROM it. End stage cancer with moments to live? COVID 19. End stage Alzheimers/Parkinsons? COVID 19. End Stage Heart Failure? COVID 19. Over and over Birx has stated this is policy. That means we have no idea what the actual numbers are.

Additionally, countless examples of listing errors have been found when Deaths have been audited. Car Wreck Victims, Gun Shot Victims, People who did not even test positive, People who were never tested at all.

In some states, they have counted deaths from untested people as COVID 19 if they simply had one or more of the long laundry list of Symptoms. (Symptoms of the common cold and you die? COVID 19).

Additionally they openly admit that 20% of the deaths came from 5 states killing helpless nursing home patients by placing seriously ill Coronavirus patients into their facilities. This, is straight up murder by any other name. One proof? The head of one facility removed her own mother from the facility the night before they brought those sick people in. That shows malice aforethought. Anyone with a brain knew better than to do that. Lawsuits have already been filed.

These are just the things right out in the open. Fantom numbers have been reported across the USA. It's a fact. You can easily confirm any of these things with some searches.

What else do you need? To ignore these things like they don't matter while we destroy the world's economy and ruin a generation of kids, destroy people's lifes work, destroy small businesses while big companies are allowed to operate, often selling the same goods. After all, shops across the country aren't even allowed to conduct mail order operations.

Are you really blind to it?


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Brian,

Please beware.
Right now, directly behind you is a government spy. He has been watching your posts and told to "close in" soon. Actually it is a lesbian who cross-dresses but that is not important.
Dont turn around and try to apprehend "they," because they are invisible anyway. But be careful what you say and write or you will soon be disappearing into the back of a black unmarked Chevy van with DC plates..

How do I know this? Because some Martians that I know beamed this intel directly into my brain from an earth base underneath the surface of Lake Titi--Caca.
How do I know the Martians? It's a long story and you wouldn't understand because your earthling level intelligence makes it beyond your comprehension.

But believe me...just cause I said so.

Your guardian and fellow resistor,

Sunset P wink wink

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Brian,

Please beware.
Right now, directly behind you is a government spy. He has been watching your posts and told to "close in" soon. Actually it is a lesbian who cross-dresses but that is not important.
Dont turn around and try to apprehend "they," because they are invisible anyway. But be careful what you say and write or you will soon be disappearing into the back of a black unmarked Chevy van with DC plates..

How do I know this? Because some Martians that I know beamed this intel directly into my brain from an earth base underneath the surface of Lake Titi--Caca.
How do I know the Martians? It's a long story and you wouldn't understand because your earthling level intelligence makes it beyond your comprehension.

But believe me...just cause I said so.

Your guardian and fellow resistor,

Sunset P wink wink


LOL I'm with you, buddy!
https://soundcloud.com/themysteriousbeings/it-aint-a-conspiracy-theory-if-its-true

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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney


They admit they include ANY death that occurs when someone has Coronavirus (Not Covid 19, there is no specific test for it) as a death FROM it. End stage cancer with moments to live? COVID 19. End stage Alzheimers/Parkinsons? COVID 19. End Stage Heart Failure? COVID 19. Over and over Birx has stated this is policy. That means we have no idea what the actual numbers are.



So how would you count cases?

Yes, Birx said in April USA policy on counting covid-related deaths is "liberal" compared to other countires. Like with Aids, we count deaths resulting from the havoc played on the immune system as being a direct cause.

Many deaths from Aids were originally classified as pneumonia. But the severity of that pnuemonia was the result of a new virus that made dying from pneumonia more likely than without the new virus. Same with any virus that weakens the immune system--Covid-19 can be held accountable as the underlying cause of death, if it LED to an eventual death. Otherwise, we'd have a real spike this year in, say, deaths from morbid obesity..

..and yes, simply from being very old..

..with both, there are weakened immune systems which don't have the ability to fight off the virus.

Using your argument, one could easily say there have only been a few thousand cases where Covid-19 DIRECTLY caused death since the great majority stem from prior underlying factors and co-factors, weakened immune-systems, old age, etc..is THIS how you would count cases?

And sure you can find a case here or there where a patient died in a car accident and it was tallied as "Covid" but these are ISOLATED incidents. You are trying to base a conspiracy around them, and it doesn't hold water. There's going to be honest mistakes in every system, and some malevolent intent at the local level..But nothing in the method of counting deaths rises to the level of malevolent intent to..what..sway the polls towards the dems? As if Trump isn't doing enough on his own to lower his polling numbers?

There are some tough calls. An old woman with Alzheimers dies after contracting Covid-19 and having it make her even more disoriented than usual..then she dies. One could argue both sides of this. In the end, it's really just another sad death. Whichever way it's tallied..but doesn't this ALL feel like quibbling, after awhile? Jeez...the numbers are being counted like they are, for whatever reason, and if you think that reason is cuz a cabal of Dems got together and said, "let's do this and in doing so make sure Trump's out come November" then you must really think there's a lot of evil people out there, mostly Dems, functioning like the evil characters in Damon Lindelof's recent movie "The Hunt" which Trump himself tried to ban.


Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney


Additionally they openly admit that 20% of the deaths came from 5 states killing helpless nursing home patients by placing seriously ill Coronavirus patients into their facilities. This, is straight up murder by any other name.


Forbes had a really nice piece on this. I dare anyone to find a bias towards one side or another:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...-43-of-u-s-covid-19-deaths/#584ea3fa74cd

And though Florida surprisingly had the right idea and later more would catch on, nowhere in this article is there any suggestion of any premeditated malevolence toward the elderly. Just (good and) unfortunately bad decision making, when under-the-gun. Even you are fudging when you say, "This, is straight up murder by any other name"

You know you can't REALLY call it murder, just like Dems can't call Trump a murderer for not mandating a unified, nationwide Covid response..all both sides can do is liken their theories to murder. Make similes and metaphors.

And one doctor taking hier mom out of a rest home before covid-19 patients arrive does not prove there's a vast, USA wide conspracy to kill old people, just that one doctor thought her mom better off with her. That doctor might have even felt like you about the situation, but didn't realize it made her look really bad. Elitist and probably knowing that deaths would occur. But this is not some centerpiece, some smoking-gun proving it's a vast, deep conspiracy.

The only online reading sources that comes to the same conclusions as you as to large scale malevolent intentions regarding Covid-19 and the elderly are dubious sources at best. And I imagine all my well cited sources that make no mention of any such conspiracy would only get met with "those sources are just part of the conspiracy." This, to me, is a tautolical system that insulates the conspiracy theorist from any logic.

Finally, numbers can be counted differently due to different philosphies towards what actually causes a covid related death. But this does not prove a vast conspiracy, just a vast gulf in philosophies regarding "how-to-tally-a-death-during-a-pandemic."

But I will give you this... If Dems fare better in November because of a method of counting that inflates the Covid-19 death toll, I could understand how one could want to ascribe malice aforethoight to having deaths counted that way..the "liberal" way.

It will be interesting to see..I really don't think it will make much of a difference at this point, this vast "liberal" conspiracy of reporting overflowing hospitals and their resulting deaths..I apologize for the sarcasm there.

And really, even you must admit at least some of Trump's poor polling is due to decisions Trump himself has made. Maybe it's time for Donald to "own his own sh t."

Mike


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Hey Mike! Good to see you back, woulda liked to see you hang around even if workin on other things. I got some new gizmos I'm sorting out too, Also looking forward to working with other musicians on fiverr.

far as this discussion, im not sure how to break it down. But, are we to assume that all these people are dropping dead, and coincidentally all had corona virus?.

Nobody ever said this virus kills directly. It's the same with flu, cancer, aids, the cause of death is not aids, it's maybe respiratory failure, but what caused it was the virus not letting the immune system do it's job.

And the other objection is ....ahh he was old....yeah and? Because he's old we can't count him as a death?

All.disease gets the most vulnerable. There are millions with diabetes, millions with asthma, millions with copd, millions with cancer, millions of obese people, millions of people over 65, millions of newborns.

That puts alot of people at risk by default. Then there's some perfectly going and healthy people who get it and die.

Like I said, I know everybody is taking precautions.


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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Brian,

Please beware.
Right now, directly behind you is a government spy. He has been watching your posts and told to "close in" soon. Actually it is a lesbian who cross-dresses but that is not important.
Dont turn around and try to apprehend "they," because they are invisible anyway. But be careful what you say and write or you will soon be disappearing into the back of a black unmarked Chevy van with DC plates..

How do I know this? Because some Martians that I know beamed this intel directly into my brain from an earth base underneath the surface of Lake Titi--Caca.
How do I know the Martians? It's a long story and you wouldn't understand because your earthling level intelligence makes it beyond your comprehension.

But believe me...just cause I said so.

Your guardian and fellow resistor,

Sunset P wink wink


Obviously you have no argument against any point I listed because there aren't any, so this virus that you are so afraid of is now a joke? That's pretty telling.


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Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney


They admit they include ANY death that occurs when someone has Coronavirus (Not Covid 19, there is no specific test for it) as a death FROM it. End stage cancer with moments to live? COVID 19. End stage Alzheimers/Parkinsons? COVID 19. End Stage Heart Failure? COVID 19. Over and over Birx has stated this is policy. That means we have no idea what the actual numbers are.



So how would you count cases?

Yes, Birx said in April USA policy on counting covid-related deaths is "liberal" compared to other countires. Like with Aids, we count deaths resulting from the havoc played on the immune system as being a direct cause.

Many deaths from Aids were originally classified as pneumonia. But the severity of that pnuemonia was the result of a new virus that made dying from pneumonia more likely than without the new virus. Same with any virus that weakens the immune system--Covid-19 can be held accountable as the underlying cause of death, if it LED to an eventual death. Otherwise, we'd have a real spike this year in, say, deaths from morbid obesity..

..and yes, simply from being very old..

..with both, there are weakened immune systems which don't have the ability to fight off the virus.

Using your argument, one could easily say there have only been a few thousand cases where Covid-19 DIRECTLY caused death since the great majority stem from prior underlying factors and co-factors, weakened immune-systems, old age, etc..is THIS how you would count cases?

And sure you can find a case here or there where a patient died in a car accident and it was tallied as "Covid" but these are ISOLATED incidents. You are trying to base a conspiracy around them, and it doesn't hold water. There's going to be honest mistakes in every system, and some malevolent intent at the local level..But nothing in the method of counting deaths rises to the level of malevolent intent to..what..sway the polls towards the dems? As if Trump isn't doing enough on his own to lower his polling numbers?

There are some tough calls. An old woman with Alzheimers dies after contracting Covid-19 and having it make her even more disoriented than usual..then she dies. One could argue both sides of this. In the end, it's really just another sad death. Whichever way it's tallied..but doesn't this ALL feel like quibbling, after awhile? Jeez...the numbers are being counted like they are, for whatever reason, and if you think that reason is cuz a cabal of Dems got together and said, "let's do this and in doing so make sure Trump's out come November" then you must really think there's a lot of evil people out there, mostly Dems, functioning like the evil characters in Damon Lindelof's recent movie "The Hunt" which Trump himself tried to ban.


Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney


Additionally they openly admit that 20% of the deaths came from 5 states killing helpless nursing home patients by placing seriously ill Coronavirus patients into their facilities. This, is straight up murder by any other name.


Forbes had a really nice piece on this. I dare anyone to find a bias towards one side or another:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...-43-of-u-s-covid-19-deaths/#584ea3fa74cd

And though Florida surprisingly had the right idea and later more would catch on, nowhere in this article is there any suggestion of any premeditated malevolence toward the elderly. Just (good and) unfortunately bad decision making, when under-the-gun. Even you are fudging when you say, "This, is straight up murder by any other name"

You know you can't REALLY call it murder, just like Dems can't call Trump a murderer for not mandating a unified, nationwide Covid response..all both sides can do is liken their theories to murder. Make similes and metaphors.

And one doctor taking hier mom out of a rest home before covid-19 patients arrive does not prove there's a vast, USA wide conspracy to kill old people, just that one doctor thought her mom better off with her. That doctor might have even felt like you about the situation, but didn't realize it made her look really bad. Elitist and probably knowing that deaths would occur. But this is not some centerpiece, some smoking-gun proving it's a vast, deep conspiracy.

The only online reading sources that comes to the same conclusions as you as to large scale malevolent intentions regarding Covid-19 and the elderly are dubious sources at best. And I imagine all my well cited sources that make no mention of any such conspiracy would only get met with "those sources are just part of the conspiracy." This, to me, is a tautolical system that insulates the conspiracy theorist from any logic.

Finally, numbers can be counted differently due to different philosphies towards what actually causes a covid related death. But this does not prove a vast conspiracy, just a vast gulf in philosophies regarding "how-to-tally-a-death-during-a-pandemic."

But I will give you this... If Dems fare better in November because of a method of counting that inflates the Covid-19 death toll, I could understand how one could want to ascribe malice aforethoight to having deaths counted that way..the "liberal" way.

It will be interesting to see..I really don't think it will make much of a difference at this point, this vast "liberal" conspiracy of reporting overflowing hospitals and their resulting deaths..I apologize for the sarcasm there.

And really, even you must admit at least some of Trump's poor polling is due to decisions Trump himself has made. Maybe it's time for Donald to "own his own sh t."

Mike



I think you may be seeing this through entirely wrong lenses Mike. I don't think for a moment this disinformation and intentionally inaccurate counts are the work of one party or ideology. Those things are nothing more than political theater. These people running things do not believe anything the "left" or "right" believe. Never have, never will. When will people in larger numbers wake up to the fraud?

This is about the elite class, their underlings and what the Soviets called Useful Idiots, of which there are plenty on both sides. I've never supported either party save for my very first election when I voted the same as 49 US States did. Since then I vote independent candidates or even write in. I despise the Bush's every bit (or more) than I despise the Clinton's and Obama. Trump is someone I vocally opposed during the election. But I find it odd than the "orange man bad" psychosis is such that when he does something good, like Prison Reform, and having us at near maximum employment and growth when Bush and Obama said that would never happen again that people still say how terrible it all is. I hate plenty of things he's done, but he's done some good things as well. Right now who is he running against? A guy mentally impaired with some really horrible past incidents and who has been part of the problem for over 40 years without a single positive accomplishment anyone can point too, let alone a strong record of doing the right thing in office. And his penchant for little girls in public is sickening, I can't imagine what he does when the cameras aren't rolling. Adult scandals are one thing, but kids? Really? That's our choice? The libertarian or green parties have run principled people now than then but that isn't the case this time around. I haven't seen anyone running worthy of a vote, but I will vote even if I have to write someone in.

Find me the effective differences between policies enacted by either party in the past 50 years? War, Overspending, Ineffective governance of resources. Poor educational system oversight for the poor. (They all SPEND plenty, but none of it improves anything but the system supporters, be it teachers unions or oil companies). Corporations in bed with Government where Oligarchs keep the politicians in power for life in many districts, unless they fail to play ball or by their rules, then they are replaced. In the height of the Soviet Union, it was far more likely an incumbent would lose in their elections than in the USA. People need to stop the false dichotomy's where we're forced to split down the middle and then battle each other, no different than fans in sports wearing opposing colors and waving opposing logos. It's all the same game. While you cheer on the field for one side against the other, the people running things cash in big.

The reason the numbers matter is that we have no idea if this problem is 90% of the total claimed, 50% or 10%. The fraud is far more prevalent than you seem to be aware. At least you acknowledge there is fraud. Any % in a deadly pandemic is not acceptable. The costs must be weighed. We are going to hit a financial bubble that will likely crash the dollar. Our debt is approaching a level such that a tiny increase in interest rates will have us unable to service the interest on the debt and runaway inflation is already a guarantee and it's getting worse with every new 3 trillion dollar stimulus, of which only a tiny fraction goes to people who really need it. The rest is corporate welfare and special interests.

I have noticed changes, not in the fake parties but among people. The left used to protect vigorously Free Speech in all forms. Now they cheer as half the opinions are regularly blotted out on social media. It's not "conspiracy theories" or "hate speech" because far more radical conspiracies and hate is spewed on line on the same platforms and nothing happened. That is unfortunate. There is no hope of solving any problems without more speech from all sides. The left used to cherish the right to assemble but I hear plenty of celebration when Churches are shut down while Vegas can be open to 50% capacity and BLM protests as well as riots can rage on, sans protection or distancing, but small businesses aren't allowed to operate, not open, but simply to ship orders like Amazon can. 10's of millions of people have continued to work since all this started. They are expected to take all the risks and they must otherwise we'd all starve and there would be no drs. or nurses or firemen etc. Meanwhile in cities proclaiming they want to defund police, violent crime is skyrocketing. NYC violent crime is up over 200% city wide. On the upper East Side is is nearly 400% up. The same trend continues in all cities bowing to this nonsense.

So what is the long range plan? A magic vaccine? Usually it takes 3 years for adequate trials. All the companies involved have been given blanket immunity for whatever they come up with. They aren't even required to stand behind test result claims. Why is that? And now the CDC has put out a warning that they expect an epidemic of AFM in children which mimics Polio symptoms and is caused by Vaccines. They expect it to happen when all the kids are forced to undergo mass Vaccines to go back to school. They are predicting it, yet we're going to rush right in and do it anyway.

There's so much inconsistencies and lies coming from ALL directions that people aren't paying attention to what those in power are really doing. Then there's the fact our reps from both sides have sold us out for Decades to China as well as private companies controlled by a handful of people. The left used to be against that sort of thing, but not anymore it seems.

I listed quite a few examples of what you asked for. If those alone don't concern you, then me listing 30 more won't either. You have your mind made up. I do appreciate the respect two way conversation. It is hard to consider someone's alternative viewpoint when the subject isn't taken seriously. There's no longer any point in speaking with Martin or Gavin about it because rather than rationally respond with facts and examples, they turned childish proving they have no core principles on which to stand with evidence to support it. I think you actually do have core values, whether we agree on them or not, I respect that.

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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney

Obviously you have no argument against any point I listed because there aren't any, so this virus that you are so afraid of is now a joke? That's pretty telling.


It was intended to be telling. And comical. The most telling sentence was ...."But believe me...just cause I said so."

You labelled Cuomo a "murderer." He is not that. Not by any legal definition. Not by any moral standard. He is a governor who had to make a mountain of decisions under pressure and on the fly. He made a well-intended decision considering what to do with old people in nursing homes and it turned out horribly. He has to live with that but he is not a murderer.

Your counterparts on the left want to hang Trump with negligent manslaughter for not locking down America and undoing the economy when he first heard of some disease that originated in China. I would not have. I doubt that Obama or Hillary or Joe Biden would have. If Trump had done it and been one hundred percent successful, Nancy Pelosi would have declared that proof that he is a paranoid schizophrenic and should be removed from office using the 25th amendment.

Your quote:
"The Gov is working out of a power grab and nonsensical standards meant to further isolate people, anger people, depress people and destroy people. All they want in the end are obedient drones. They have it in spades already, so they are going after any stragglers with a vengeance. They have attacked religion viciously. "

Beyond ..""just cause I said so"...what backs that up? Yes there are connivers in the gov. 435 in the House of Reps. James Comey et al clearly plotted to destroy the president that I voted for after he was elected. From the top of the FBI. Massive abuse of power. But is something called "the gov" trying to "destroy" me? I don't see how and I'm not going to believe it....

Just because you said so.




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Yes there are connivers in the gov. 435 in the House of Reps. James Comey et al clearly plotted to destroy the president that I voted for after he was elected. From the top of the FBI. Massive abuse of power. But is something called "the gov" trying to "destroy" me? I don't see how and I'm not going to believe it....


On a side note (ha, ha), I believe that the FBI was well within normal boundaries of conduct to investigate all of the trump campaign people hob-knobbing with known (maybe not to them) russian intelligence folks. It seemed too prevalent to just be a coincidence and it would have been a dereliction of duty to ignore it. But if you believe the Mueller report, there was no evidence of a conspiracy in the trump campaign to collude with the russians. So I accept that.

I also do not believe that there is a world wide conspiracy to use covid as a tool of a "new world order". Could there be? I guess, but we'll never know about it -- until it is too late!

It is my opinion that we probably would have shut down for a bit anyway, but the trump admin missed tons of opportunity to make it less worse then it turned out to be. Would it have been better under Hillary? We will never know.

As for the argument that the sar-cov-2 virus has never been seen under an electron microscope or cultured in a lab, here is a story from the "deep state" way back in February: https://www.npr.org/2020/02/13/805837103/images-what-new-coronavirus-looks-like-under-the-microscope


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich


On a side note (ha, ha), I believe that the FBI was well within normal boundaries of conduct to investigate all of the trump campaign people hob-knobbing with known (maybe not to them) russian intelligence folks. It seemed too prevalent to just be a coincidence and it would have been a dereliction of duty to ignore it. But if you believe the Mueller report, there was no evidence of a conspiracy in the trump campaign to collude with the russians. So I accept that.

I also do not believe that there is a world wide conspiracy to use covid as a tool of a "new world order". Could there be? I guess, but we'll never know about it -- until it is too late!

It is my opinion that we probably would have shut down for a bit anyway, but the trump admin missed tons of opportunity to make it less worse then it turned out to be. Would it have been better under Hillary? We will never know.

As for the argument that the sar-cov-2 virus has never been seen under an electron microscope or cultured in a lab, here is a story from the "deep state" way back in February: https://www.npr.org/2020/02/13/805837103/images-what-new-coronavirus-looks-like-under-the-microscope


Kevin


You didnt need to post anything for everyone here to know how you feel about "Trump World." I can paint your opinions in over the numbers by myself.
Please dont take that as harsh. I think that you are a good guy. I'm just being truthful.

The Russian fixation first came in my view with John McCain bringing forward the "Steele Dossier."
To this day, I do not know what Steele looks like or sounds like because he will not come forward and support that piece of crap.
Warrants and investigations were launched and perpetuated based upon a dossier intel farce, yet the person who launched it into the world won't come forward and support it.
I suspect that the Ruuskys are still laughing about that often.

If that does not prove up abuse of power to you, then look at the written emails between the adulterers. Dont read through the lens of what the adulterers are saying that they meant when they wrote them. Read them for what they plainly say.

If that is not enough proof for you, it is because you dont want to see the truth for what it is.

Hey! You brought it up! Wear your mask! It can't protect you from misguided assumptions but it will impede some virus particles.

While at it....30,000 subpoened Clinton emails destroyed? Disappeared? Never existed? Please explain that to me.


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No, no, no -- I am not getting sucked into a re-hash of all that (except to see the investigation was launched BEFORE the steele dossier was obtained -- ha!). But you are right -- I am as anti-trump as they come. Mostly because of what I have seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears from trump himself. What emails?

On the covid front, no data from Louisiana or Alabama yesterday, and the trend in hospitalizations are going down -- ever since the hospitals stopped reporting to the CDC and starting sending numbers to the trump admin. Coincidence? Probably.


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
No, no, no -- I am not getting sucked into a re-hash of all that (except to see the investigation was launched BEFORE the steele dossier was obtained -- ha!). But you are right -- I am as anti-trump as they come. Mostly because of what I have seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears from trump himself. What emails?

On the covid front, no data from Louisiana or Alabama yesterday, and the trend in hospitalizations are going down -- ever since the hospitals stopped reporting to the CDC and starting sending numbers to the trump admin. Coincidence? Probably.


Good enough. Next time, don't take a shot and then say...I don't wanna talk anymore. wink
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I am still mad at Page and Strzok for NOT stopping it (ha, ha). I don't mind talking politics, but going back to that topic is fruitless and I think you would agree. I see trump as the greatest destroyer of american democracy in my lifetime, but do you think I am going to convince you of that? In the end, I believe in the amercian experiment and if it elects trump again, so be it.

This sums it up for me, in a succinct manner (but there is much, much more!).

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Michael wonderful to see you and glad you are having fun composing music. Also totally respect your postings here. Thank you for that clarity

Brian, if I understand you right, "they" are doing a bunch of things you see as bad, where "they" are the various elites pulling strings....using the pandemic to cover their tracks towards building a society "they" can substantially or totally control. Except the pandemic is not real...it is a bad flu ....but "they" are making it appear worse so "they" can cement their control.

You've named no names, or generally identified them, but presumably in Europe "they" are busy too, as "they" are in Iran, in Brazil, South Africa...pretty well all around the world "they" are busy pulling the wool over people's eyes in order to take more control

Naomi Klein wrote a book 10 or so years ago called "Shock Doctrine" which posited the same thinking...that during times of crises, policies can be imposed on populations that would never be accepted under normal conditions. But with their attention diverted on other matters.....

So if that envelops your thinking, I expect I do understand what you are getting at...

And there will be winners and losers here..no doubt, be they corporations, individuals, organizations, politicians etc etc..that is the nature of the beast. So looking backwards you can see a lot taking shape.

There is no doubt in my mind that some folks are engineering their future "better off" win, but what prevents me from buying into your thesis wholesale is that I believe this thing IS real first of all, that we did not know anything rather that it was deadly for awhile, that we took traditional meansures that historically worked (quarantin, social distaning, wearing masks)

But looking backward at the socio-economic structure behind the political system acting internally and externally is easy to discern but hard to explain. It is also dangerous to infer malice or some evil intent in in life's larger events because as Hanlan's Razor says, do not attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Some bad things happen not because of intention but because people do not think things through properly.

Within that, as I said, lots of people looking to take economic and political advantage of the times and, as Sun Tsu would describe it, the "climate" of the situation.

No doubt the US is in a scary time and place

Pandemic, economic upheaval, political bickering, lack of leadership at the very top, opportunistic agitation by internal and external forces, political party tribalism, lack of trust and the elevation of individual over collective rights...these are real big picture issues you are dealing with. But the US and the world is up to the task of getting through it ...it will just take more time. We are kinda mid stream here and the bad times will pass, just as how we got through will be known and understood as time passes. Our history will be examined and written about.

In mid stream we have learned things. It's effects are concentrated in smaller elements of the population than we knew intially. We have learned it transmits most readily via finer droplets that hang in the air more readily than though surface contact, where transmission does occur, but at a lower rate. Had we known then what we know now, I expect we might have reacted differently. But we had to learn that because people of all age groups were and are still dying. And some smaller elements of the population were front line workers and poor people, mostly black, who still had to work.

But to argue in a way that because we know this now, something that took time to learn, we can "backblame" decision makers for closing down the economy, mandating social distancing, the wearning of makes etc is simply wrong ...and to blame "the forces of they" must be looked at far more carefully than "believe me because I know"

IAs I said, I can acknowledge there are poltical and economic forces looking to ensure their futures. Their activities create lots of events for the news to be made, and for dis information to be sown. Good for confusing people...so Shock Doctrine "light" going on for sure...meaning there are definitely people taking advantage of "climate" adding to the confusion to gain advantages and some are definitely sowing seeds of confusion.

But to raise that to some national or international collaborative conspiracy ....all I can say is that it is not our (Mike, Martin, FD, JLS, Kevin etc job to refute you and yours to prove what you assert is true.

I am totally prepared to listen to you because my view is that what you say is not entirely wrong but the world is driven by lots of fragmented interests driven by "what's in it for me" that affects the events created by the activities of the various socio-economic political classes that comprise a nation.

To organize that into a named cabal with their articulated agenda is now up to you






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For me, the promises of polticians are just bullsh t. All of them. I vote based upon what I think that they will actually do and net effect of what will actually happen. The wall is not the most important issue to me. Enforcement of the border is. Back in 2005 and 2006 it was extremely important to Obama, Reid, Sheila Lee. Because they saw the influx of illegal immigrants as a threat to the livelihoods of their constituents promulgated by old white guys who ran major corporations (donors) for the purpose of achieving cheap labor. And whatever happened to their constituents was a matter of little concern to the old white guys. They were largely correct.

But they shortly realized that if they flipped sides on immigration and villainized "white priviledge" they might achieve a lock on the US House and Senate. All that stuff about illegals undercutting their supporters (documented with video) could be re-written as if never said. They pulled it off without a hitch.

The USA is in trouble. Mexico is a dangerous hopeless mess morphing into narco state dictated by murderous beasts. Their federal govt surrendered a prisoner to a drug cartel this past year. When a govt does that...it's almost gone. Predators take whatever is in front of them to take.The drug cartel is here. They are financing and will be financing political candidates in the US. Read up on Hildago County Texas if you want to see what is coming to your town.

Clinton and Biden have to keep the illegal alien industry appeased to sustain their power. Trump defiantly resists them and builds walls. Trump is very strange but people such as me who recognize an existential threat to our neighborhoods are stuck with the fact that he is all we have.

ps...I built a spec house in an inner city neighborhood where MS-13 threw parties. And had a sheriff who lived in that neighborhood intimidated until the feds raided the house and threatened the landlords with seizure.. I didn't get this from Fox News.

The issue is not a wall here and there. The issues are our safety and our quality of life.


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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
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...There's no longer any point in speaking with Martin or Gavin about it because rather than rationally respond with facts and examples, they turned childish proving they have no core principles on which to stand with evidence to support it. I think you actually do have core values, whether we agree on them or not, I respect that.

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It doesn't prove any such thing. I started a detailed reply to some of your points, beginning with the erroneous assertion that there is no specific test for COVID 19 (those swab tests are just that) and then realized the futility of it. Your mind appears to be made up that conspiracies of shadowy elites working in close cooperation are behind just about everything. Experience tells me that simple stupidity and greedy self-interest are enough without the presence of any kind of overarching conspiracy. Experience also tells me that arguing my points with those who are so firmly convinced otherwise achieves nothing. I see others argue effectively against these beliefs and the arguments just bounce off. You probably feel the same way in reverse, as some of your statements make clear. We are just too far apart. It's frustration with this that leads me to humor in an attempt to stay sane in an increasingly insane world. A respect for truth, analytical thought and a belief that those in government are neither superheroes nor supervillains - those are some of my core principles.

Conspiracy theories are an area of interest for me. Not because of the nonsense they contain but because of the damage they can do. I could write preachy songs about it, I suppose, but, like a lot of people, when faced with a rather bleak and depressing subject, I turn to humor. Maybe it's a kind of therapy. I don't know. There is an excellent documentary on Netflix called "Beyond the Curve." It is about flat earthers. These folks believe in the biggest conspiracy theory of all - that, for hundreds of years, "the establishment" has been involved in a plot to deceive everyone about the shape of the earth. All of them also believe the standard canon of other conspiracy theories regarding the moon landing, 9/11, etc. Ironically, their first international conference, held here in North Carolina had a lot of empty seats because of a YouTube video released a few days earlier by a disgruntled fellow believer asserting that the conference itself was part of a conspiracy. The documentary is not unsympathetic. Mostly it just lets the flat earthers talk. One real scientist does make the point, though, that it is easy to dismiss this kind of thinking until it makes its way into government and impedes the ability to base action on reality. I leave it to everyone to draw their own inferences or conclusions from that.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying anyone here is a flat earther. The documentary just happens to make interesting points about conspiracy theorists in general.

You mention fraud frequently. It's not fraud if you explain truthfully how you are calculating the numbers. You can dispute the methodology and suggest a better way of doing it without calling it fraud. It is certainly difficult to compare countries because of different reporting methodologies. Some, like Russia gear their system to underreporting. Others like Belgium use a completely different methodology (excess deaths over what could be expected), which makes their figures considerably higher than anyone else's. They use it because they consider it more accurate. There is a useful analysis from Radio Free Europe at the link below. Of course, Radio Free Europe is funded by the government, so, although I don't think there's anything you'll disagree with, if there is, I'm sure it's a conspiracy. smile
https://www.rferl.org/a/coronavirus...sia-usa-tajikistan-belgium/30624320.html

If I come across as a bit strident, I apologize. I don't want to offend anyone. As I've said before, this is something I feel very strongly about and it probably shows in the way I express myself. I don't respect every opinion that every person holds, but I do respect the person holding the opinion.

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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney


...There's no longer any point in speaking with Martin or Gavin about it because rather than rationally respond with facts and examples, they turned childish proving they have no core principles on which to stand with evidence to support it. I think you actually do have core values, whether we agree on them or not, I respect that.

Brian



Brian

Of all the people involved in this discussion, the ONE with the political ideology closest to YOURS is likely ME. Maybe John S is closer. Not sure.
But I stop at Waco, Ruby Ridge and the Bundys. I think those people were all a bunch of lawless azzos who brought on what happened to them. I doubt that you do.
I stop at conspiracy theories because I so deeply resent the conspiracy lies and insanity proliferated by Rachel Maddow and Cuomo's brother against Trump and all conservative thinking.

This is your Song site and it's a good one. Thanks for maintaining it.
Predictably most of the song people here are liberals. Your assertions about "the gov" plotting to "destroy" us all is not backed by any fact that I see. And rather than winning converts with "your truth," you are providing an up close and personal example of the right wing bogeyman who makes over-the-top claims of conspiracies that cannot be documented. You are detailing and confirming their biases.

I suggest re-thinking.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
... The issue is not a wall here and there. The issue is our quality of life.


Yes, I agree. If I lived on the border I might be in favor of a wall, too! In fact, I would venture to guess that the vast majority of "ordinary" citizens are in favor of controlled immigration. But there is no common ground anymore, it seems. When I think of trump immigration, I think of separating kids from their parents and shipping them all over the country to "foster" homes. It just seemed amazingly cruel and anti-christian. I think if we can defeat trump, we will start to work our way back to the middle ground. Maybe that is a pipe dream, but it is my dream. In any case, we are doing a good job of completely disagreeing and still being civil about it.


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Why is it still an American issue? This thing is global. Every politician, every doctor, every hospital, every news person, in every city, state, province, country and continent would have to be working together to control people.

Do dems have the mindset of never let a good crisis go to waste?.sure, but that has nothing to do with the virus.

Seems no opinions have changed win e this thread began months ago, and probably won't change.

Like t.v. shows like meet the press, I never àctually saw anybody change their mind, on any issue.

I won't debate any more. Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

He was right!

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