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#1167589 - 08/11/20 05:02 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Sunset Poet]  
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When the guy who supplied the dossier to the world and set the world on it's ear...wont step out in public to validate it...you are dealing with lies and liars. Christopher Steele owed the world an explanation for what he did, yet he has never given it. I suspect he cant withstand a cross examination. It was said to be Steele himself who sourced the Ruuskys.

We are always going to have the people who will shout to the heavens that they believe anything and everything as long as it is anti Trump. No matter the facts presented, or the arguments lost by their heroes, if it is said, and against Trump, it has to be true. We are never going to change those closed minds.


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#1167593 - 08/11/20 05:37 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Sunset Poet]  
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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
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You'd better hope there is smoke without fire because these "sources" are blowing it up your a$$. I'm sorry, couldn't resist that. smile This sounds like when Trump says, "A lot of people are saying..." at the beginning of a sentence about something no sensible person is saying. I'll backtrack a little and say that there probably are a lot of mistakes in registration due to people moving or dying, but study after study has shown there is a vanishingly small correlation between this and fraud.

We will all believe what we choose to believe and your truth comes nowhere close to mine. I don't know that it is fraud, but it is not a good thing.
Again, if we can go to the store to shop, we can go to the polls to vote.


There is zero possibility of a socialist America. I am glad of that. The same scare tactic is trotted out every election.

Biden is courting all the self declared socialists/communists in his party and telling them that will be the party line and what he will do as president. The Green New Deal, Medicare for all, including illegals, Guaranteed salaries for all whether working or not, and on, and on, and on. Please read what the party itself is saying before denying it.


When I was a kid, I had a friend who was notorious for cheating at every game we played. When you called him a cheat for stealing a bunch of money from the bank at Monopoly (he wasn't a very good cheat despite all that practice), he didn't just deny it. He turned reality on its head and retorted, "You're the cheat." It made no sense. It is the opposite of what you could see to be reality. Saying Russia wants Trump to be defeated is basically the same thing.

If Russia wanted Trump, where did "The Dossier" come from? Simple question.. So who is the cheat here? All the people that perpetrated the hoax.


My point is not about cheating. It is about the tactic of doing something bad and then not just denying it but accusing someone who points it out of doing it. But you're right, John. If you can bring yourself to believe that "the dossier" was supplied by the Russian government to make itself look bad, and that they don't profit from having someone like Trump in power, then we really are too far apart.


Gavin

When the guy who supplied the dossier to the world and set the world on it's ear...wont step out in public to validate it...you are dealing with lies and liars. Christopher Steele owed the world an explanation for what he did, yet he has never given it. I suspect he cant withstand a cross examination. It was said to be Steele himself who sourced the Ruuskys.


Christopher Steele owes the world nothing. He was hired to do a job. He did it. And yes, he used connections in Russia as sources. Those contacts are presumably what got him the job. Testifying before attack dogs like Jim Jordan, Trey Goudy and other embarrassments to Congress would have achieved nothing. I don't know how much of it was accurate. It's not a stretch to believe that a lot of it could be, and if he got parts of it wrong, that doesn't invalidate other parts. I'm not an expert and a lot of these things are hard to prove. I didn't make any claim about the dossier and don't even know why it suddenly entered this discussion.

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[/quote]
Christopher Steele owes the world nothing. He was hired to do a job. He did it. And yes, he used connections in Russia as sources. Those contacts are presumably what got him the job. Testifying before attack dogs like Jim Jordan, Trey Goudy and other embarrassments to Congress would have achieved nothing. I don't know how much of it was accurate. It's not a stretch to believe that a lot of it could be, and if he got parts of it wrong, that doesn't invalidate other parts. I'm not an expert and a lot of these things are hard to prove. I didn't make any claim about the dossier and don't even know why it suddenly entered this discussion.
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He was paid for the dossier, the money came from Hilary, through her lawyer, then another agency. The FBI knows this, and the FBI knew, and stated that it was unsubstantiated and at least most of it was probably untrue, before the illegal FISA warrants were issued.
It entered this discussion because some people were talking about all the smoke behind the Russia Trump Collusion Hoax.

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#1167596 - 08/11/20 06:07 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Gavin Sinclair]  
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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
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You'd better hope there is smoke without fire because these "sources" are blowing it up your a$$. I'm sorry, couldn't resist that. smile This sounds like when Trump says, "A lot of people are saying..." at the beginning of a sentence about something no sensible person is saying. I'll backtrack a little and say that there probably are a lot of mistakes in registration due to people moving or dying, but study after study has shown there is a vanishingly small correlation between this and fraud.

We will all believe what we choose to believe and your truth comes nowhere close to mine. I don't know that it is fraud, but it is not a good thing.
Again, if we can go to the store to shop, we can go to the polls to vote.


There is zero possibility of a socialist America. I am glad of that. The same scare tactic is trotted out every election.

Biden is courting all the self declared socialists/communists in his party and telling them that will be the party line and what he will do as president. The Green New Deal, Medicare for all, including illegals, Guaranteed salaries for all whether working or not, and on, and on, and on. Please read what the party itself is saying before denying it.


When I was a kid, I had a friend who was notorious for cheating at every game we played. When you called him a cheat for stealing a bunch of money from the bank at Monopoly (he wasn't a very good cheat despite all that practice), he didn't just deny it. He turned reality on its head and retorted, "You're the cheat." It made no sense. It is the opposite of what you could see to be reality. Saying Russia wants Trump to be defeated is basically the same thing.

If Russia wanted Trump, where did "The Dossier" come from? Simple question.. So who is the cheat here? All the people that perpetrated the hoax.


My point is not about cheating. It is about the tactic of doing something bad and then not just denying it but accusing someone who points it out of doing it. But you're right, John. If you can bring yourself to believe that "the dossier" was supplied by the Russian government to make itself look bad, and that they don't profit from having someone like Trump in power, then we really are too far apart.


Gavin

When the guy who supplied the dossier to the world and set the world on it's ear...wont step out in public to validate it...you are dealing with lies and liars. Christopher Steele owed the world an explanation for what he did, yet he has never given it. I suspect he cant withstand a cross examination. It was said to be Steele himself who sourced the Ruuskys.


Christopher Steele owes the world nothing. He was hired to do a job. He did it. And yes, he used connections in Russia as sources. Those contacts are presumably what got him the job. Testifying before attack dogs like Jim Jordan, Trey Goudy and other embarrassments to Congress would have achieved nothing. I don't know how much of it was accurate. It's not a stretch to believe that a lot of it could be, and if he got parts of it wrong, that doesn't invalidate other parts. I'm not an expert and a lot of these things are hard to prove. I didn't make any claim about the dossier and don't even know why it suddenly entered this discussion.





It's especially galling to have one's own government representatives ridiculed by a damned foreigner. Very bad form indeed.

How are things over at The Junction. Gav?

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair




Christopher Steele owes the world nothing. He was hired to do a job. He did it. And yes, he used connections in Russia as sources. Those contacts are presumably what got him the job. Testifying before attack dogs like Jim Jordan, Trey Goudy and other embarrassments to Congress would have achieved nothing. I don't know how much of it was accurate. It's not a stretch to believe that a lot of it could be, and if he got parts of it wrong, that doesn't invalidate other parts. I'm not an expert and a lot of these things are hard to prove. I didn't make any claim about the dossier and don't even know why it suddenly entered this discussion.



I think that he does. I know he did not sign a contract with society, but when you spread character assassinations about whores pissing on beds and so forth, and a US Senator brings it forward...And a US President is mired in lies that ring on the news every night....I think that if you are worth a crap, you come out in the light of day and talk about what it is and where it came from. If you are a slimy POS...you don't.

As I said, no contract was signed, but I bet that you think that the guys on Wall Street who got the laws re-written and gambled with people's bank accounts and destroyed livelihoods across the globe should have to step out into the light and be held accountable for their misdeeds and reckilessness. But they dont owe the world that...do they?

And you agree that by the same token, Trump has no obligation as president to show anyone his tax returns. Correct?

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When I stop shoveling my tax dollars to Washington, I'll stop expecting those folks to behave in a civilized manner. I will never expect that of you.

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Marty, no, i I don't think Trump has an obligation to show anyone his tax returns. It's a custom, not a law, He has decided it would be in his interest not to do so. That's his prerogative.

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
When I stop shoveling my tax dollars to Washington, I'll stop expecting those folks to behave in a civilized manner. I will never expect that of you.




A "civilized" person would have more class than you, Gav. Paying taxes does not an American make. That is precisely why you will always be nothing but a damned foreigner. cool

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Marty, no, i I don't think Trump has an obligation to show anyone his tax returns. It's a custom, not a law, He has decided it would be in his interest not to do so. That's his prerogative.


True as I see it..
I think that it would have been nice if he had. It would saved some noise from occurring. But no where requires him.

How do you feel about the Wall Street bankers? Any obligations there?

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Originally Posted by 90 dB
[ That is precisely why you will always be nothing but a damned foreigner. cool


Gavin is a good guy who does more than most all of us here for our songwriting pass time.
Nothing worthwhile is served by slinging base insults at him.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
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[ That is precisely why you will always be nothing but a damned foreigner. cool


Gavin is a good guy who does more than most all of us here for our songwriting pass time.
Nothing worthwhile is served by slinging base insults at him.






Sunset.......may I call you that? Or do prefer "Poet"?

When someone denigrates my country and my government, I reserve the right to object. Especially someone who is a guest in my country.

I'm sorry if that offends your sense of fairness and equity, but it is what it is.

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I will ask "President Trump", who hasn't made a dime, and in fact donates his salary to charity, for his tax returns; when all the people who have been in office for decades and gotten rich well beyond their wildest dreams as politicians start opening their books up to the public. It would be nice if the ones that keep screaming for his are the first in line.


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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
When I stop shoveling my tax dollars to Washington, I'll stop expecting those folks to behave in a civilized manner. I will never expect that of you.


Would you believe that any citizen of another country that goes to yours and works there should have a say in politics there? I don't think so. When you are a citizen here, yes, you will have every right to complain as you see fit. But if and when you do, I hope you look at all aspects of any problem, and not just pick a side and believe everything they say.


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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
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[ That is precisely why you will always be nothing but a damned foreigner. cool


Gavin is a good guy who does more than most all of us here for our songwriting pass time.
Nothing worthwhile is served by slinging base insults at him.



Marty, don't ask too much of 90dB. Take away the insults and the bullying and there's really nothing left. Thank you for the kind words, though.

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Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
When I stop shoveling my tax dollars to Washington, I'll stop expecting those folks to behave in a civilized manner. I will never expect that of you.


Would you believe that any citizen of another country that goes to yours and works there should have a say in politics there? I don't think so. When you are a citizen here, yes, you will have every right to complain as you see fit. But if and when you do, I hope you look at all aspects of any problem, and not just pick a side and believe everything they say.

The answer to your question would be yes. I would be interested to hear their opinions. However, I don't complain about America as a country. I have never run it down in any way. Nor would I. I just happen to see certain things differently from you, that's all. I got involved in this discussion when it was about conspiracy theories, which are a problem that affects everyone everywhere. That's what really interests me, not all this stuff about Trump. Somehow everything ends up being about that guy smile

This discussion is taking a nasty turn, and I'm being drawn into being nasty too. It's moved from exchanging views to challenging another's right to express them. That's rather depressing. Back to songwriting.

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" It's moved from exchanging views to challenging another's right to express them."


"Testifying before attack dogs like Jim Jordan, Trey Goudy and other embarrassments to Congress would have achieved nothing."

Yeah, right.

"However, I don't complain about America as a country. I have never run it down in any way."

Yeah, right.

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So thinking the shouting and posturing of Jim Jordan and Trey Goudy are an embarrassment to Congress, a body I respect more than most seem to, is running down America as a country? I don't think so, but, on the other hand, not one, but two "Yeah, rights" is a pretty powerful argument, so you must be right.

You came into this discussion to sour the atmosphere. So I guess it's mission accomplished.

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[quote=Gavin Sinclair]So thinking the shouting and posturing of Jim Jordan and Trey Goudy are an embarrassment to Congress, a body I respect more than most seem to, is running down America as a country? I don't think so, but, on the other hand, not one, but two "Yeah, rights" is a pretty powerful argument, so you must be right.

Those 2 you mentioned have as much a right to shout and posture as much as any other member of Congress, and a real right to be angry about what has been happening in our country before and after the last election. So if you are going to complain about them you should be complaining just as much about the other side. This is what we call fair and balanced. the liberal media has no idea how to do that either.

While I totally disagree with many of your views, I will do no name-calling. It doesn't belong in rational discussions.


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I will ask "President Trump", who hasn't made a dime, and in fact donates his salary to charity, for his tax returns; when all the people who have been in office for decades and gotten rich well beyond their wildest dreams as politicians start opening their books up to the public. It would be nice if the ones that keep screaming for his are the first in line.


Come on John, you know that isn't true by a country mile. He has made millions off of being president and campaigning. How much has just the secret service had to spend at his hotel/country clubs because he golfs 3-4 rimes a month. Ivanka got all sorts of trademarks in China during trumps presidency and was exempt from any tariffs. The trump boys gallivant across the world and security that we pay for costs a fortune. The trump admin will go down in history as one of the most corrupt (and filled with nepotism) admins we ever had.

I would venture to guess that almost all politicians on the national level release theri tax returns -- but I don't know for sure.


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
I will ask "President Trump", who hasn't made a dime, and in fact donates his salary to charity, for his tax returns; when all the people who have been in office for decades and gotten rich well beyond their wildest dreams as politicians start opening their books up to the public. It would be nice if the ones that keep screaming for his are the first in line.


Come on John, you know that isn't true by a country mile. He has made millions off of being president and campaigning. How much has just the secret service had to spend at his hotel/country clubs because he golfs 3-4 rimes a month. Ivanka got all sorts of trademarks in China during trumps presidency and was exempt from any tariffs. The trump boys gallivant across the world and security that we pay for costs a fortune. The trump admin will go down in history as one of the most corrupt (and filled with nepotism) admins we ever had.

I would venture to guess that almost all politicians on the national level release theri tax returns -- but I don't know for sure.

2 Letters. BS!


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
I will ask "President Trump", who hasn't made a dime, and in fact donates his salary to charity, for his tax returns; when all the people who have been in office for decades and gotten rich well beyond their wildest dreams as politicians start opening their books up to the public. It would be nice if the ones that keep screaming for his are the first in line.


Come on John, you know that isn't true by a country mile. He has made millions off of being president and campaigning. How much has just the secret service had to spend at his hotel/country clubs because he golfs 3-4 rimes a month. Ivanka got all sorts of trademarks in China during trumps presidency and was exempt from any tariffs. The trump boys gallivant across the world and security that we pay for costs a fortune. The trump admin will go down in history as one of the most corrupt (and filled with nepotism) admins we ever had.

I would venture to guess that almost all politicians on the national level release theri tax returns -- but I don't know for sure.


Nepotism? Yes. The level of it is disturbing to me. The kids should find their own thing to do.

Most corrupt? No. There is no topping the blatant cash harvesting of Joe and Hunter leveraging the power of the vice presidency around the world.. The Trump's have not even come close.
The Trump family business is real estate, hotels, a television show, beauty pageants and misc.. The Biden family business is politics for decades. Anything else that they do feeds off of Joe's political power. And Joe is getting set up for "the big haul.".

Don't kid yourself Kevin. Ukraine? If you don't believe me, ask Obama what he thought about it. The conflict of interest was off the charts but the tribe believes and says what they are told to believe and say.



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Most corrupt? No. There is no topping the blatant cash harvesting of Joe and Hunter leveraging the power of the vice presidency around the world.. The Trump's have not even come close.
The Trump family business is real estate, hotels, a television show, beauty pageants and misc.. The Biden family business is politics for decades. Anything else that they do feeds off of Joe's political power. And Joe is getting set up for "the big haul.".

Don't kid yourself Kevin. Ukraine? If you don't believe me, ask Obama what he thought about it. The conflict of interest was off the charts but the tribe believes and says what they are told to believe and say.


I have researched ukraine as much as I could. I don't believe hunter should have taken a job there, but I couldn't find anything illegal about it. Did he use his "name" to get a position -- most likely. At the same time, corporate governance is his thing, so I can see why he was hired -- that and the biden name. Before you scream that hunter was unqualified, go look at his resume. Bush II even hired him to look over amtrak.
Plus Biden's action on ukraine corruption was aimed at the general prosecutor who had stopped investigations into burisma. The whole biden/ukraine thing is a fantasy pushed by dishonest folks at fox news and trump.

Now trump pressured a foreign leader to dig up dirt on a rival in exchange for US congressional approved aid -- for his own personal benefit. Corruption? I thunk trump is supplying corruption like we have never seen before. He is the master swamp creature.


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Open your eyes all the way on this.

If Hunter Biden was cash harvesting in a foreign country and using foreign aid and the power of the vice presidency as leverage....the next US president has every right possible to investigate it and say something about it regardless of his motivation. Whether political or personal or whatever. To not do so would be elites looking out for elites.

Throw in... that the Vice President's son was appointed to a board of a company under investigation at the time. No...dont come back with all the tired and thin dim-ocrat counter points. Look at the obviousness of the conflict of interest. The obviousness.

Still don't want to see the truth? Sit back and take a deep breath and then imagine that Joe and Hunter were Donald and mini-me in the Ukraine. In that alternate universe...What would Kevin be saying about the circumstance?

Ps...Some political strategist is in a room right now planning what you will say and think in the upcoming weeks and months. Try and take your mind back from those people Kevin. They dont really have any concern for you. They want influence and power and your vote is one of millions that they need to COLLECT it.




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Open your eyes all the way on this. -- If Hunter Biden was cash harvesting in a foreign country and using foreign aid and the power of the vice presidency as leverage....the next US president has every right possible to investigate it and say something about it regardless of his motivation. Whether political or personal or whatever. To not do so would be elites looking out for elites.


In america we really don't investigate people unless there is evidence (or smoke, if you will) that a crime has been committed. (P.S. espionage/conspiracy is a crime). There was nothing illegal about hunter taking that job. Please let me know when you find out what crime was committed.

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Throw in... that the Vice President's son was appointed to a board of a company under investigation at the time. No...dont come back with all the tired and thin dim-ocrat counter points. Look at the obviousness of the conflict of interest. The obviousness.

NO, it wasn't -- the investigation was not being conducted at that time. The corrupt prosecutor had it on hold. These things are easily verifiable.

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Still don't want to see the truth? Sit back and take a deep breath and then imagine that Joe and Hunter were Donald and mini-me in the Ukraine. In that alternate universe...What would Kevin be saying about the circumstance?

I don't have to -- it is going on all over the world with trump and his kidlings. Look, i did look at all the hunter biden timelines from both MSM, Fox and a few others. The timeline just doesn't fit with the corruption angle. Or should I say the "corruption" theory just doesn't hold up to any normal scrutiny.

Now you can believe what you want, but you should go back and research the facts and the timelines. You seem to approach issues by using what facts you have available (a good thing). I just don't think you have looked into this one (who can keep up with everything??????).


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Kevin...open your eyes and see what is actually there.

!st off...Fox and friends? This and that? You arent saying anything of substance.

""In america we really don't investigate people unless there is evidence (or smoke, if you will) that a crime has been committed. (P.S. espionage/conspiracy is a crime). There was nothing illegal about hunter taking that job. Please let me know when you find out what crime was committed.""

So when a SCOTUS nominee was nominated, the dim-ocrats ran out of bullets and brought forward an addled woman who talked like a child and assassinated his character based on an alleged event that happened 35 years ago. And promised 40 plus witnesses yet produced none at all. All the while a panel of dim-ocrats using the desperate and reaching spectacle as an opportunity to destroy a judge..

And you talk about the mechanics of law in this country.

Kevin...You are not a voice. You are an echo of a propagandist's voice, who is in a room somewhere right now planning your thoughts.

You dont "research" the truth. You research to confirm what you want to believe.

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Ahh partisanism how hilarious

It's similar to when a big star athletes play for one team, and how all the laundry and trash talk is welcomed, and everybody hates him, except his home crowd. Then he demands a trade, his home team then despises him, and the team he goes to suddenly the crowd loves him.

It's not surprising that dems like Kevin defend the Biden situation, and republicans dont. Yet, all of trumps demons don't matter.

If trump was a dem, everything trump has ever said or done would be held up by repubs, and blasted the same way the blast hunter biden.

The idea of trump not getting paid for his presidency as being a virtue is hilarious. When he's out of office he's going to write a memoir worth hundreds of millions. And by being preident, the policies set forth benefit your pocket too. So yeah,I'll pass on 500k a year, if I can make 10 times that back on a tax break law, or make hundreds of millions on a memoir.

Not to mention already being a billionaire....

If he was dem stormy daniel's would matter more, Russia would have unquestionably rigged the election, he'd be labeled as a loon for his malaria drug and bleach suggestions ....gassing of peaceful protesters would be upfront. Very much the same thing happened with obama.

I don't know how people don't realize that whatever they say they believe in, is filtered through the party they support

Until we have a unified country it's going to be much the same no matter who is in office.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Ahh partisanism how hilarious

It's similar to when a big star athletes play for one team, and how all the laundry and trash talk is welcomed, and everybody hates him, except his home crowd. Then he demands a trade, his home team then despises him, and the team he goes to suddenly the crowd loves him.

It's not surprising that dems like Kevin defend the Biden situation, and republicans dont. Yet, all of trumps demons don't matter.

If trump was a dem, everything trump has ever said or done would be held up by repubs, and blasted the same way the blast hunter biden.

The idea of trump not getting paid for his presidency as being a virtue is hilarious. When he's out of office he's going to write a memoir worth hundreds of millions. And by being preident, the policies set forth benefit your pocket too. So yeah,I'll pass on 500k a year, if I can make 10 times that back on a tax break law, or make hundreds of millions on a memoir.

Not to mention already being a billionaire....

If he was dem stormy daniel's would matter more, Russia would have unquestionably rigged the election, he'd be labeled as a loon for his malaria drug and bleach suggestions ....gassing of peaceful protesters would be upfront. Very much the same thing happened with obama.

I don't know how people don't realize that whatever they say they believe in, is filtered through the party they support

Until we have a unified country it's going to be much the same no matter who is in office.




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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Ahh partisanism how hilarious

It's similar to when a big star athletes play for one team, and how all the laundry and trash talk is welcomed, and everybody hates him, except his home crowd. Then he demands a trade, his home team then despises him, and the team he goes to suddenly the crowd loves him.

It's not surprising that dems like Kevin defend the Biden situation, and republicans dont. Yet, all of trumps demons don't matter.

If trump was a dem, everything trump has ever said or done would be held up by repubs, and blasted the same way the blast hunter biden.

The idea of trump not getting paid for his presidency as being a virtue is hilarious. When he's out of office he's going to write a memoir worth hundreds of millions. And by being preident, the policies set forth benefit your pocket too. So yeah,I'll pass on 500k a year, if I can make 10 times that back on a tax break law, or make hundreds of millions on a memoir.

Not to mention already being a billionaire....

If he was dem stormy daniel's would matter more, Russia would have unquestionably rigged the election, he'd be labeled as a loon for his malaria drug and bleach suggestions ....gassing of peaceful protesters would be upfront. Very much the same thing happened with obama.

I don't know how people don't realize that whatever they say they believe in, is filtered through the party they support

Until we have a unified country it's going to be much the same no matter who is in office.


I don't defend any of Trump's lies. Beginning with when he said that he was not making fun of the disabled reporter. He obviously was. Saying that the lysol thing was kidding and on and on.
I know what Trump is and don't really like what there is to see. But the other choice is even worse. It comes down to a practical choice.

What will be the net effect of a republican admin versus a democrat admin? On immigration? Socialism versus capitalism? So many things. Except for Trump, both parties answer to the donors. But there are some differences in probable outcomes to consider. At this point, it may be fast versus slow decline. Given that choice...I will pick slow decline..




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Yes but the only reason the choice is worse for you is because your wired into the conservative mindset.

Having a mindset is fine, the funny,/strange thing for me is how mud is only slung if it supports the beliefs.

I haven't seen any Republican here slam trump for anything. The most you get is, does he say bad tnings, is he flawed...yes, but he's better blah blah

I mean he's said more stupid/hurtful and done un American things in the last 90 days, but he's Republican so he's ok.

I'm not siding with corrupt dems either, but if it's all about dollars, economy and nothing else, why not vote an accountant in.

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Joe Biden and Donald Trump's first debateÖ Probably in September. Canít wait to see the comedy of the century. Maybe it will be on Comedy Central. It should be. Now, donít think for a minute Iíll be taking it seriously. Itís just for entertainment and laughs. Which will be aplenty.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Yes but the only reason the choice is worse for you is because your wired into the conservative mindset.

Having a mindset is fine, the funny,/strange thing for me is how mud is only slung if it supports the beliefs.

I haven't seen any Republican here slam trump for anything. The most you get is, does he say bad tnings, is he flawed...yes, but he's better blah blah

I mean he's said more stupid/hurtful and done un American things in the last 90 days, but he's Republican so he's ok.

I'm not siding with corrupt dems either, but if it's all about dollars, economy and nothing else, why not vote an accountant in.


I might vote for an accountant. It's not the choice availabe.
As far as conservative mindset? If you have a mind and you dont develop a mindset when you view the world around you, then your mind is useless and broken. Particularly in todays world.

Fd...you are constantly trying the share the "big view" from Mount Olympus with us mere mortals. There is no Mount Olympus.

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Joe Biden and Donald Trump's first debateÖ Probably in September. Canít wait to see the comedy of the century. Maybe it will be on Comedy Central. It should be. Now, donít think for a minute Iíll be taking it seriously. Itís just for entertainment and laughs. Which will be aplenty.

John laugh


it is going to be wonderful theater. Trump has been deprived of his day-in-day-out bashing and name calling. So he is going to have to unload in the debates.
The only disappointment to us entertainment junkies will be if he doesn't unload. I bet that Trump is studying WWF re-runs right now.

And if Biden does his part in the spectacle we will get some show stopping gaffes. Maybe he will say that he picked Kamala Harris because she is "articulate and all cleaned up."


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Not MT Olympus at all, it's a big problem one that's going to lead me to vote independent in nov.

If the ratonale is.... hush money, making fun of retarded, gasing protestors,
Recommending bleach and malaria drug,firing anyone who doesn't say yes sir, constantly calling it the wuhan virus, kung flu, asking South Dakota to look into putting himself on mt rushmore. Constantly saying the virus will disappear...... Ahhh well he's pro police, and doesn't spend my tax dollars so it's all good!

Great choice we have ehh?

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Not MT Olympus at all, it's a big problem one that's going to lead me to vote independent in nov.

If the ratonale is.... hush money, making fun of retarded, gasing protestors,
Recommending bleach and malaria drug,firing anyone who doesn't say yes sir, constantly calling it the wuhan virus, kung flu, asking South Dakota to look into putting himself on mt rushmore. Constantly saying the virus will disappear...... Ahhh well he's pro police, and doesn't spend my tax dollars so it's all good!

Great choice we have ehh?


to repeat...

What do you think will be the net result of installing a Biden/Harris administration versus a Trump/Pence admin? Immigration? Defense? Socialism? Law and order?

Trump and Biden guarantee crazy.
Harris is a ball of inconsistencies and she has some crazy too.
Pence is the only true adult of the 4. You can take issue with his religion, but I challenge anyone to site an instance where he lacked personal decorum. (Not hating Trump does not count Kevin)

But you have to vote for one admin or the other? Which will it be?

Kayne?


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Pence was picked cause he was polar opposite of trump. I don't have a problem with pence, but he's not the issue.

I like some things trump brings to the table, but what I'm saying is out of all the people in the country we get two people to pick?

I can vote, just vote mickey mouse. I don't I understand why it has to be one extreme or another. Where are our conservative democrats, or liberal republicans? Where are all the in betweens?


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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Pence was picked cause he was polar opposite of trump. I don't have a problem with pence, but he's not the issue.

I like some things trump brings to the table, but what I'm saying is out of all the people in the country we get two people to pick?

I can vote, just vote mickey mouse. I don't I understand why it has to be one extreme or another. Where are our conservative democrats, or liberal republicans? Where are all the in betweens?



I can help with that....

Mainly money and immigration and socialism.

The money is gone. The US Treasury is only still solvent because it can still borrow from someone and the FED can print money by typing an amount into a computer and then depositing that in the banking system. One of our major creditor's is China. How would you say that is looking? True solvency and a sound economy is an illusion. It's a leaky canoe over shark infested waters.

Immigration has hit the wall. Reagan promised us border enforcement in exchange for granting amnesty to appx 3 million illegals. We probably now now have 40 million illegals. Compromise on that means being lied to again if you want a secure border. There is a large illegal alien population in the US. They have offspring. They are a big block of the population with an agenda to open the border.
How do you compromise between the two sides?

Socialism is here already in several forms. But the Bernie Bros want us to be a big Denmark right now. Can't happen. We will collapse under the debt and expense. But your typical Bernie Bro cant even do algebra. He sees a rich guy in a Bentley and decides that the money spent on the car should have come to him instead. Denmark may collapse when the final outcome is reached.

All this talk about compromise and reason is just empty platitudes which want to pretend that very harsh realities dont exist and that all anyone needs is a hug and a candy bar.
Extreme and bizarre circumstances breed extreme and bizarre characters to vote for.







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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Pence was picked cause he was polar opposite of trump. I don't have a problem with pence, but he's not the issue.

I like some things trump brings to the table, but what I'm saying is out of all the people in the country we get two people to pick?

I can vote, just vote mickey mouse. I don't I understand why it has to be one extreme or another. Where are our conservative democrats, or liberal republicans? Where are all the in betweens?



I can help with that....

Mainly money and immigration and socialism.

The money is gone. The US Treasury is only still solvent because it can still borrow from someone and the FED can print money by typing an amount into a computer and then depositing that in the banking system. One of our major creditor's is China. How would you say that is looking? True solvency and a sound economy is an illusion. It's a leaky canoe over shark infested waters.

Immigration has hit the wall. Reagan promised us border enforcement in exchange for granting amnesty to appx 3 million illegals. We probably now now have 40 million illegals. Compromise on that means being lied to again if you want a secure border. There is a large illegal alien population in the US. They have offspring. They are a big block of the population with an agenda to open the border.
How do you compromise between the two sides?

Socialism is here already in several forms. But the Bernie Bros want us to be a big Denmark right now. Can't happen. We will collapse under the debt and expense. But your typical Bernie Bro cant even do algebra. He sees a rich guy in a Bentley and decides that the money spent on the car should have come to him instead. Denmark may collapse when the final outcome is reached.

All this talk about compromise and reason is just empty platitudes which want to pretend that very harsh realities dont exist and that all anyone needs is a hug and a candy bar.
Extreme and bizarre circumstances breed extreme and bizarre characters to vote for.








And Thank heaven we have a great alternative to the Socialist/communist platform!


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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet

There is no Mount Olympus.



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Mount Olympus is highest mountain in Greece and the second highest mountain in the Balkans.

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All (smart-ass on my part) humor aside (and please forgive me that), has having "perspective" on things ever been a bad thing? The only problem that I can see that comes from seeing things from a distance is it's a pretty worthless way of examining individual issues, since that seems to demand the down-and-dirty act of getting up close and personal. And perhaps even "taking a stand." But "perspective" may help enable us to at least identify what the real problems and issues are in the first place.

When "facts" become different depending on what your news source is, maybe that mountaintop is a good thing?

Better put...when the SAME facts can have opposite interpretations, depending on what your news source is, maybe that mountaintop is a good thing?

Here's a website that could be helpful at finding some honest "perspective" and help one to sort out biased news from unbiased:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/

Enter into its SEARCH function ANY TV station, newspaper, website, or domain, and they will break that establishment down, left or right.

Left click "least biased" for a list of hyperlinks to various establishments that tend towards honest unbiased reportage. Don't expect to find Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, "National Review," or "Huffington Post" as these are considered far left or right, whereas a news source like "Politico" seems less biased than most, at least according to mediabiasfactcheck.

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What do you think will be the net result of installing a Biden/Harris administration versus a Trump/Pence admin?


I think the answer to that is different for different people. For the poor and underclassed, I think it would be harder to make a case for Trump/Pence than for for Biden/Harris, whereas for more well-off home owners, Trump/Pence seems the ticket...

Me? I remain uncommited and actively researching things.

Mike

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Mike

When I was typing that I wondered if I should clarify that I was talking about the Mt Olympus where Zeus lives versus the actual geographical Mt Olympus.
Please understand that I was talking about the former for the purpose of illustration.

You too Fd. I don't want you wasting your money on trips to Greece.

Marty

As far as research....?
Maybe for sorting out some nuanced differenes between...Bush-Dukakis or Bush-Clinton or Bush-Kerry or Bush-Gore. All of those are globalists-elitists somewhat cut from the same Beltway mould.
But Trump-Biden?

Biden's recent quote concerning Black people voting for Trump comes to mind.


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Mike I tried that pages earlier, to establish a set of largely unbiased news sources ...but it became contentious as people picked specific sources apart.

So no matter how unbiased a source is, if it does not confirm what folks believe it is fake news, unreliable etc.

And no matter what you say or try and frame it, the situation is such that people see it through their own lens...highly influenced by their politics

That is simply indisputable given what has been posted in these pages


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel

Mike I tried that pages earlier, to establish a set of largely unbiased news sources ...but it became contentious as people picked specific sources apart.

So no matter how unbiased a source is, if it does not confirm what folks believe it is fake news, unreliable etc.

And no matter what you say or try and frame it, the situation is such that people see it through their own lens...highly influenced by their politics

That is simply indisputable given what has been posted in these pages









True John.
But there are lenses that see things that can only be true in chimerical imaginings and their are lenses that possess some reality.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Mike

When I was typing that I wondered if I should clarify that I was talking about the Mt Olympus where Zeus lives versus the actual geographical Mt Olympus.
Please understand that I was talking about the former for the purpose of illustration.

You too Fd. I don't want you wasting your money on trips to Greece.

Marty

As far as research....?
Maybe for sorting out some nuanced differenes between...Bush-Dukakis or Bush-Clinton or Bush-Kerry or Bush-Gore. All of those are globalists-elitists somewhat cut from the same Beltway mould.
But Trump-Biden?

Biden's recent quote concerning Black people voting for Trump comes to mind.



Marty, I'm smiling over here, yes, I knew you knew Mt Olympus was a real place, hence my "sorry for my smartass picture" comment..

Yes, Trump-Biden is a different thing altogether. Trump may not be a part of any elitist financial networking/cabal due to his own selfish proclivities which are bad enough in and of themselves, and Biden has contradicted himself on Social Security and other issues that hit close to home..

My vote won't matter in CA but voting anyway...


Mike

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There's no doubt what John v and Mike said are true . People don't go to the news to learn anything, they go to the news to be validated.

I watched trumps briefing on his executive orders, he started bashing pelosi, and the cnbc reporter said, ok, Mr trump is bashing Nancy Pelosi so we're going to step away. I'm like huh? Are you kidding me?

Turned on Fox and he was still talking.

That said, Trump could murder somebody, on camera, and his supporters would find a way to declare him I nocent.

Same thing with the police stuff, pro police people were first looking for a reason not to believe it.

I support police but that guy belongs in prison for life

Almost everybody I know believes what they want to believe, facts are mere annoyances along the way. In fairness what is fact? There's always a ....yeah but, I understand that, but this....

In other words no matter what happens people rarely change their party and vote the other. I've done it I've voted for both republicans and dems.

Maybe I'm not rooted enough in politics but I'm the vote these people need...so there's that

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And who will be the judge here Marty? Who decides if it it chimerical or real....and how is that viewpoint processed?



Marty==True John. But there are lenses that see things that can only be true in chimerical imaginings and their are lenses that possess some reality.


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John, I think Marty is saying he finds value in sites that aim for honest reportage.

Certainly, there will be those whose hardened beliefs will keep them from obvious truths, or bark at the unbiased site, but that is not the fault of news (reportage) that aims at neutrality.

I know it seems bleak, but there is value, more than ever, for those that dare present bare facts without interpreting them, leaving that up to us. We have become a nation who want their news spoon fed with a particular built-in bias, and that can make it hard to see the truth, at times.

Marty's "lenses" I take to mean our individual, innate filtering systems that can create a bias towards issues which can cloud real thinking..so I think Marty is basically saying that there IS value to unbiased news reportaing, or at least the attempt of it.

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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
And who will be the judge here Marty? Who decides if it it chimerical or real....and how is that viewpoint processed?



Marty==True John. But there are lenses that see things that can only be true in chimerical imaginings and their are lenses that possess some reality.



Time, history, a raw look at human nature, realistic thinking and common sense . e.g. The USSR.
You have to wait for time and history.

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Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
John, I think Marty is saying he finds value in sites that aim for honest reportage.

Certainly, there will be those whose hardened beliefs will keep them from obvious truths, or bark at the unbiased site, but that is not the fault of news (reportage) that aims at neutrality.

I know it seems bleak, but there is value, more than ever, for those that dare present bare facts without interpreting them, leaving that up to us. We have become a nation who want their news spoon fed with a particular built-in bias, and that can make it hard to see the truth, at times.

Marty's "lenses" I take to mean our individual, innate filtering systems that can create a bias towards issues which can cloud real thinking..so I think Marty is basically saying that there IS value to unbiased news reportaing, or at least the attempt of it.


All true.

I think that the major components of "lenses" are psychological defense mechanisms. People figure out a way to believe what they need to be true.
The actual truth usually has some undesired reality about it that someone for some reason does not want to face squarely.

Having said that...One of the biggest wild cards of life on this planet is that if enough people believe and act on a lie, it may not change the truth but it can change the reasonable course of things to some other course. e.g. Bernie and his bros. Free healthcare. Free college. Yang's monthly free stipen. Doctors nurses and techs want to be paid to do what they do. The money can't just be wished. And there is no place for it to come from in a country 30 trillion in debt that cant pay for it's upcoming obligations to SocSec. and Medicare without printing money. But Bernie kept rattling that fantasy because it is his only road to stardom. And...people believed it and it has warped reality in a real sense.

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Just thought say 50 years from now, some kids studying American history, we cant even agree what happened yesterday, how is history written when there are so many versions of what happened .

How do we even know if what we learned was true, and therefore why do we bother studying it.

Are we gonna see a radical right history book, or a progressive history book?

How do they figure this stuff out?

No, we didn't actually land on the moon, we landed somewhere else in a desert and claimed it was the moon....

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