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#1167713 - 08/13/20 09:40 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Sunset Poet]  
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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
...I will be bumpin' with Trumpin'


Good one!


"Good science comes in peer reviewed journals. Conspiracy theories come in YouTube videos. "
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#1167714 - 08/13/20 10:40 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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#1167715 - 08/13/20 12:53 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: John Voorpostel]  
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That QAnon stuff is pretty scary. I know some on-line folks that are adherents! Life that is confusing, chaotic and worrying is made more simple by the conspiracy theorists.


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#1167717 - 08/13/20 01:15 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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I know several ppl who will vote for Trump. None of them buys into Qanon. It is another Rachel Maddow bogeyman similar to the rumors of legions of White supremists who are going to rise up and take over the United States and declare a fourth Reich.

In reality, it is just a handful of angry goofballs who probably can't even agree whether to order from McDonald's or Wendy's

All of it is Much Ado About next to nothing

#1167726 - 08/13/20 02:07 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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You probably want to do a bit more research into them then Martin...those "goofballs" are definitely gaining traction and Trump just endorsed one of them, Marjorie Taylor Green as a "future Republican star" as a congresswoman from Georgia.

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/12/9016...wins-ga-primary-likely-heading-to-congre


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#1167730 - 08/13/20 03:08 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: John Voorpostel]  
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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
You probably want to do a bit more research into them then Martin...those "goofballs" are definitely gaining traction and Trump just endorsed one of them, Marjorie Taylor Green as a "future Republican star" as a congresswoman from Georgia.

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/12/9016...wins-ga-primary-likely-heading-to-congre



There will probably always be pockets of white supremacists here and there who can elect a state legislator or even a congress person. e.g. David Duke and Metairie. But I will never consider them possibly becoming a viable national movement. It aint reconstruction anymore. When they show up to chant and brandish Ak's, CCN puts 100 cameras on them and shows them from every angle. But I can pretty confidently promise you, like so many things...the 4th Reich or whatever is the wet dream of a handful of masterbators is not going to happen. Too few. Too ignorant. Too stupid..

But if you want to believe that these misfits are the big bad wolf...feel free. Don't open the door though. It may ruin all the fun to find that nothing was ever really on the other side.

Make bogeymen prove themselves up thoroughly or your mind will be invaded by phantoms. Every now and then, a person''s paranoid beliefs may prove accurate, but if you let them run you will start connecting the crazy dots...and you will be your own haunted house.

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Holy crap, John, very informative and disturbing.

I agree with Martin in so far as Q and all the Conspiracies are still pretty fringey, and don't by-and-large change the general landscape of American life, politics, etc. Though the link to 8Chan and a few of the mass killings is indeed chilling stuff.

I feel sorry for Prof. Uscinski who said, "It’s better to think of conspiracy thinking as independent of party politics. It’s a particular form of mind-wiring. And it’s generally characterized by acceptance of the following propositions: Our lives are controlled by plots hatched in secret places. Although we ostensibly live in a democracy, a small group of people run everything, but we don’t know who they are. When big events occur—pandemics, recessions, wars, terrorist attacks—it is because that secretive group is working against the rest of us." --sorry for Uscinski cuz his life just got a thousand times harder having that quote attached to him. He must, no doubt, be part of the deep state conspiracy, haha..

Maybe it's not about "left/right" anymore--or even "elite/the masses" as some conspiracy theorists believe, but informed vs. "quasi-informed" or factual vs. alt-factual. This is AT LEAST something both sides of any fact vs. alt-fact fact check (say that fast three times) conundrum can agree..that being, it's "the other side whose facts are alt-facts" aka fake news..

And even when facts can be agreed upon, interpretations of those facts will vary widely, sometimes not neccessarily because of political affiliations, but more generally because we have a vested interest or more to gain in interpreting one way or another. This may be as intractable in a human being as breathing--that it may indeed feel like an ethical choice, but is really a selfish one because our abilities to delude ourselves can run far and deep. It seems like we're in the middle of an an intractable clusterfeck.

I guess I believe that ethical behavior and/or decisions should, in a perfect world, transcend and override the personal..

But I am less a nihilist than that--than those last two paragraphs suggest, and I find more compassion for the human condition than anger over-it..anger seems counter-productive, to say the least.


Mike

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#1167734 - 08/13/20 04:43 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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I guess I believe that ethical behavior and/or decisions should, in a perfect world, transcend and override the personal..

But I am less a nihilist than that--than those last two paragraphs suggest, and I find more compassion for the human condition than anger over-it..anger seems counter-productive, to say the least.

Mike

If people would actually take the time to talk to, and this includes listening, most conservatives; they would find they are decent people. People who believe in caring for those who can't care for themselves, and helping those who need a temporary hand up. This does not include those who just want others to take care of themselves because they are lazy. It also doesn't include those who take every advantage of the system at other's cost. There is a big difference in our minds between charity, and theft. Charity comes from the heart. Theft can be taking money out of our hard earned taxes to pay for people who have every ability to care for themselves. I still like the slogan, "No work. no eat", for all those too lazy to provide for themselves.


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#1167735 - 08/13/20 04:49 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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QAnon: I don't know HOW big it is, but it probably has a couple million followers (???).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...was-the-tea-party/ar-BB17Vzyr?li=BBnb7Kz


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Maybe so John -- but not all poor people are lazy. Just as all republicans are not cruel and vindictive people who think illegal immigrants should have their kids stripped from them and then have the kids placed in cages or shipped off to fosters homes across the countries never to be seen again.

When I think of the trump admin, that is what stands out to me. Unrestrained cruelty and nastiness with the so called fundamental christians cheering them on. The must not read the same bible I have. "'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'"


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#1167739 - 08/13/20 05:07 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Maybe so John -- but not all poor people are lazy. Just as all republicans are not cruel and vindictive people who think illegal immigrants should have their kids stripped from them and then have the kids placed in cages or shipped off to fosters homes across the countries never to be seen again.

When I think of the trump admin, that is what stands out to me. Unrestrained cruelty and nastiness with the so called fundamental christians cheering them on. The must not read the same bible I have. "'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'"


Posts like this are the reasons why liberals and conservatives will never get along. All of this is from the Democrats talking points and are simply not true.

God's policy is also to help those that help themselves, not help themselves to others hard earned things. I also remember something in there about not stealing, or coveting anothers goods. Be careful of reaching in my pocket. you may not like what you find.


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Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
Posts like this are the reasons why liberals and conservatives will never get along. All of this is from the Democrats talking points and are simply not true.

My bad, I guess I was wrong about children being removed from their parents at the border and put in cages and shipped off across the US.


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#1167743 - 08/13/20 05:36 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
QAnon: I don't know HOW big it is, but it probably has a couple million followers (???).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...was-the-tea-party/ar-BB17Vzyr?li=BBnb7Kz


Kevin

If you and John V are going to have your bogeyman...it is really selfish and unfair not to support John S and Brian and their bogeymen.


I mean c'mon. Don't ya think?

I doubt anything that this magazine prints anymore. And many of those "followers" may not really exist and/or may be curiosity seekers.
Other than lefty conspiracy enthusiasts such as yourself, I have never heard anyone selling Qanon. Never once.

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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
Posts like this are the reasons why liberals and conservatives will never get along. All of this is from the Democrats talking points and are simply not true.

My bad, I guess I was wrong about children being removed from their parents at the border and put in cages and shipped off across the US.


A good deal of the time, the children were strategic tickets. Sometimes unrelated to the adults they were with.

A piece of advice...Don't steal your way into a foreign country. If you do, at least, don't make a child part of your illegal activity. If you do, don't expect to dictate terms to the invaded country.
If you will just do that, you will never be separated from your children at a foreign border.

#1167746 - 08/13/20 05:50 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Sunset Poet]  
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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
New Invention... it was just on the news yesterday. It will sanitize us while entering a store. Hydrogen peroxide sanitizing mist, ultraviolet light and mask detector will greet us. If Fauci & Gates get involved, it will sterilize us as well. I would not enter any stores using this...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...zing-station/ar-BB17NKFz?ocid=uxbndlbing

John smile


This is only being installed in your area John. Fauci has mob ties and he wants you gone. Not just sterilized, but gone. They aim to gun you down with this mist.
If you decide to defiantly board an airplane refusing to wear "the man's mask," realize that they plan to snuff you out as you move in the line towards the check in stand.
.
I hear that tin foil hats are powerless against it. But wear one anyway. It will make a dapper avatar.

smile


Nah, none of us here are important to Fauci or Gates. We're irrelevant numbers, like the coronavirus numbers.

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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
Posts like this are the reasons why liberals and conservatives will never get along. All of this is from the Democrats talking points and are simply not true.

My bad, I guess I was wrong about children being removed from their parents at the border and put in cages and shipped off across the US.

Hey, You're finally right about something!


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Martin,



"If you and John V are going to have your bogeyman...it is really selfish and unfair not to support John S and Brian and their bogeymen"

The only boogeyman I know is me.


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I think this is an interesting argument. If you want to see how someone on the left politically sees things in our current divisive marxist world, check this out:
https://medium.com/unsafe-space/a-liberal-definition-of-the-alt-left-72ce53cad35c

It's a pay site but gives you 3 free articles so no need to sign up or register for anything.

It is well written, logical and written by a self described (and still solidly) liberal person who like many, got caught up in an illiberal movement that has pulled a fast one.

Use or lose as you see fit. Arguments from Libertarians like me or conservatives like others here seem to have failed. Perhaps someone firmly on the left will be an easier pill to swallow for you then.

Brian


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QAnon: I don't know HOW big it is, but it probably has a couple million followers (???).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...was-the-tea-party/ar-BB17Vzyr?li=BBnb7Kz


Kevin

If you and John V are going to have your bogeyman...it is really selfish and unfair not to support John S and Brian and their bogeymen.


I mean c'mon. Don't ya think?

I doubt anything that this magazine prints anymore. And many of those "followers" may not really exist and/or may be curiosity seekers.
Other than lefty conspiracy enthusiasts such as yourself, I have never heard anyone selling Qanon. Never once.


I don't have time to read the article right now, but Marty, this thing may have more influence than you think. The winner of the Republican primary in a very conservative Georgia district is a professed believer in the Q-Anon thing, so maybe you'll be hearing more about it in the future when she enters Congress. You certainly see a fair number of Q T-shirts and banners at Trump rallies. I don't know if that's really representative of the crowd, or if they just make a more dramatic shot for the cameras. Bias doesn't always need a lie, sometimes it's in a camera angle.

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
QAnon: I don't know HOW big it is, but it probably has a couple million followers (???).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...was-the-tea-party/ar-BB17Vzyr?li=BBnb7Kz


Kevin

If you and John V are going to have your bogeyman...it is really selfish and unfair not to support John S and Brian and their bogeymen.


I mean c'mon. Don't ya think?

I doubt anything that this magazine prints anymore. And many of those "followers" may not really exist and/or may be curiosity seekers.
Other than lefty conspiracy enthusiasts such as yourself, I have never heard anyone selling Qanon. Never once.


I don't have time to read the article right now, but Marty, this thing may have more influence than you think. The winner of the Republican primary in a very conservative Georgia district is a professed believer in the Q-Anon thing, so maybe you'll be hearing more about it in the future when she enters Congress. You certainly see a fair number of Q T-shirts and banners at Trump rallies. I don't know if that's really representative of the crowd, or if they just make a more dramatic shot for the cameras. Bias doesn't always need a lie, sometimes it's in a camera angle.


Read the short article I linked above Gavin. It will explain, from a fellow and still current liberal person like yourself, why what is going on is not what you think it is. I think you might at least be able to relate to her viewpoint.


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That's an interesting article, Brian. Even if Keri Smith is only posing as a "liberal," as becomes clear if you follow her links, she does make some valid points. There are excesses on the left as well as the right. The quote from C.S. Lewis is spot on and really made me think.

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
QAnon: I don't know HOW big it is, but it probably has a couple million followers (???).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...was-the-tea-party/ar-BB17Vzyr?li=BBnb7Kz


Kevin

If you and John V are going to have your bogeyman...it is really selfish and unfair not to support John S and Brian and their bogeymen.


I mean c'mon. Don't ya think?

I doubt anything that this magazine prints anymore. And many of those "followers" may not really exist and/or may be curiosity seekers.
Other than lefty conspiracy enthusiasts such as yourself, I have never heard anyone selling Qanon. Never once.


I don't have time to read the article right now, but Marty, this thing may have more influence than you think. The winner of the Republican primary in a very conservative Georgia district is a professed believer in the Q-Anon thing, so maybe you'll be hearing more about it in the future when she enters Congress. You certainly see a fair number of Q T-shirts and banners at Trump rallies. I don't know if that's really representative of the crowd, or if they just make a more dramatic shot for the cameras. Bias doesn't always need a lie, sometimes it's in a camera angle.


Gavin

There are always right wing cranks, at all times and in every election. It is as if the Bundy's get to select the candidates from the local trailor park.
You libs always want to believe that they are a clear indication that Satan is swallowing the earth...but they arent. They (q-anon et al) are your bogeyman. Same as John's bogeymen but wearing the other jerseys. She hasnt been elected. Probably will not be. If she is...then the right fringe will have their own AOC or Ilmar or whatever the other one is called..

But, but...AOC is a moderate? Right?

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Sorry for the belated response.

Marty, ask thinking questions? Lol, and whats this chit about a beer? How long would it take for you to punch him in the face if he was just a regular joe at the bar?

The only reason your voting for trump is cause he's not democrat. And I suspect that's the way it is for many

Trump is probably better to have a beer with than biden, Biden wouldn't remember it was his turn to buy a round, although trump would probably walk out before buyin!!!!

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
QAnon: I don't know HOW big it is, but it probably has a couple million followers (???).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...was-the-tea-party/ar-BB17Vzyr?li=BBnb7Kz


Kevin

If you and John V are going to have your bogeyman...it is really selfish and unfair not to support John S and Brian and their bogeymen.


I mean c'mon. Don't ya think?

I doubt anything that this magazine prints anymore. And many of those "followers" may not really exist and/or may be curiosity seekers.
Other than lefty conspiracy enthusiasts such as yourself, I have never heard anyone selling Qanon. Never once.


I don't have time to read the article right now, but Marty, this thing may have more influence than you think. The winner of the Republican primary in a very conservative Georgia district is a professed believer in the Q-Anon thing, so maybe you'll be hearing more about it in the future when she enters Congress. You certainly see a fair number of Q T-shirts and banners at Trump rallies. I don't know if that's really representative of the crowd, or if they just make a more dramatic shot for the cameras. Bias doesn't always need a lie, sometimes it's in a camera angle.


Gavin

There are always right wing cranks, at all times and in every election. It is as if the Bundy's get to select the candidates from the local trailor park.
You libs always want to believe that they are a clear indication that Satan is swallowing the earth...but they arent. They (q-anon et al) are your bogeyman. Same as John's bogeymen but wearing the other jerseys. She hasnt been elected. Probably will not be. If she is...then the right fringe will have their own AOC or Ilmar or whatever the other one is called..

But, but...AOC is a moderate? Right?


Actually, she almost certainly will be elected. She is the Republican candidate in a district that is never going to vote in a Democrat. I'm not saying that she is representative of the Republican party nationwide. Many distanced themselves from her before the election. I was just pointing out that this had happened in the context of the discussion you were having about Q-Anon..

I'm not a fan of AOC.

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I think this is an interesting argument. If you want to see how someone on the left politically sees things in our current divisive marxist world, check this out:
https://medium.com/unsafe-space/a-liberal-definition-of-the-alt-left-72ce53cad35c

It's a pay site but gives you 3 free articles so no need to sign up or register for anything.

It is well written, logical and written by a self described (and still solidly) liberal person who like many, got caught up in an illiberal movement that has pulled a fast one.

Use or lose as you see fit. Arguments from Libertarians like me or conservatives like others here seem to have failed. Perhaps someone firmly on the left will be an easier pill to swallow for you then.

Brian



Hi Brian,

Thanks for sharing. I was a card carrying liberal, then an independent, now a conservative who still believes in treating all people the same, by how they speak and act, not by their race religion, or ideology. The left today is not the same left I was part of. They would never have condoned the violence and hate shown by so many on the left today. They would have spoken out against the suppression of free speech at learning centers all over America today. Many of them have turned to the right because the left has left them. It is also true that anyone who speaks out against these new values is automatically part of the "Racist" right wing now. I am amazed, but not speechless, as you can see.


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Yeah John I think youth makes alot of liberals, as people get older they get conservative. I know of a few republicans since younger years but not many. My niece and nephew are both in college now, they have liberal ideas and liberal professors. If I happen to the say the wrong thing I get lambasted. And I'm certainly not right wing, I guess not left wing enough.

It's funny, all the best songwriters and musicians are liberals,and I wonder if its because when you are a musician for a living, you don't get old as fast as other people... That is if the drugs don't kill you

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Yeah John I think youth makes alot of liberals, as people get older they get conservative. I know of a few republicans since younger years but not many. My niece and nephew are both in college now, they have liberal ideas and liberal professors. If I happen to the say the wrong thing I get lambasted. And I'm certainly not right wing, I guess not left wing enough.

It's funny, all the best songwriters and musicians are liberals,and I wonder if its because when you are a musician for a living, you don't get old as fast as other people... That is if the drugs don't kill you


While I can't agree with the second statement, I am happy we found some common ground with the first. I used to say, tongue in cheek, that "I was a liberal until I had to pay all my own bills, and watch my taxes disappear to places I didn't want them to go."

I still believe in many of the things the left used to stand for. Many, like you, are finding that the new left is not the same left they agreed with so much. What do you do then?


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What part do you disagree with?

It's not even close of you speak of songwriters who are liberal verses conservative .

Libs
Lennon/McCartney
Neil Young
Billy Joel
Springsteen
Crosby stills and Nash
Tom petty
John mellencamp

Just about all are anyway good or not.

Conservatives?.... Ted Nugent, Sammy Hagar, Joe Perry...of aersomsith

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Not getting into it, as most of the famous ones are/were, in country music, which targets a much more conservative audience.


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I know that conservatives are smart and compassionate. They are good loving people. Seeing so many of them suckered in the by slimy lying hateful conman demagog trump baffles me.

If Satan walked the earth, how would you spot him? By his evilness? Lots of people are evil.

A better indicator would be his ability to make good people think evil things. His ability to make them ignore the teachings of Christ. To ignore the suffering of others. That sounds a lot like Trump.

If you were to write a fictional story about Satan trying to corrupt a Christian, what picture would you want on the cover?

Satan trying to corrupt a Christian


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If you were to write a fictional story about Satan trying to corrupt a Christian, what picture would you want on the cover?
Clinton, Obama, Biden, Soros, the list is endless. I feel they are the ones misleading you.


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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Sorry for the belated response.

Marty, ask thinking questions? Lol, and whats this chit about a beer? How long would it take for you to punch him in the face if he was just a regular joe at the bar?

The only reason your voting for trump is cause he's not democrat. And I suspect that's the way it is for many

Trump is probably better to have a beer with than biden, Biden wouldn't remember it was his turn to buy a round, although trump would probably walk out before buyin!!!!


Yes Fd, thinking questions.

Life doesn't always boil down to what Fd can fit "in a nut shell."

When I was a kid growing up in Birmingham, everyone I knew was a democrat. (southern democrat)
All the local and state politicians were democrats that I can remember.
My family supported democrats.

IMO....the most egregious event in American political history is the Watergate Break-in. A group of party thugs attempted to subvert the American electorate and constitution as if they were anointed for life and not elected. And they were close to the sitting President. He may have been an actual co-conspirator.
IMO...the 2nd most egregious event was when a putz who was neither elected to the vice presidency or the presidency, but drifted up into those positions to replace people who had to resign due to corruption...pardoned Nixon. And deprived the American people of the prosecution and scrutiny and sense of justice that they deserved.
So I worked on Carters' Democrat campaign and voted for him and was delighted when he beat Ford.

But his presidency was a horrible disappointment. As a sidenote I watched a democrat presidential candidate and elite, get drunk, drive off of a bridge, and drowned a human party favor in a swollen creek, yet be sitting quietly at breakfast the next morning when the police approached. Yet never stand trial or serve a day in jail. Yet, run for the presidency. A leading democrat. "The Lion of the Senate."

So in 1980 I did not vote. I didn't even pay attention.
Then Reagan came along and created prosperity out of "malaise." So I thought..."that's the way that you do it." And I voted for him to win a 2nd term.
Then I voted for Bush thinking I was getting Reagan-lite. All I got was a giant foreign war that was not engineered to finish what it started..and a globalist elite who bragged about being close buddies with Saudi Royals. Who imo are antithetical to what America has always meant.
So I quit voting again.

Later, the legacy dunce came along and he watched and clapped as the country built the mortgage bonfire over 8 years and set it on fire in 2008.
"This sucker could go down."

At that point I quit being a republican.
Then Obama got elected. I didnt vote for or against him but thought that he had some good ideas and hoped for the best.
Then Obama seemed to build a democrat party coalition around the notion of "white privilege." The message of the president and the democrat party seemed to be that I wasnt welcome in this country unless I displayed disgust and denouncement of myself because of how I look. It seems very unfair.

Aside from that....
Based upon the little that I know of history ....it seems a clear fact of life, over and over, that if a people lacks the will to establish and defend their own territory and boundaries, someone with the will and means will take it away from them, one way or another.

Based upon the little that I know of history ....it seems a clear fact of life that if the profit motive is removed from a nation's production and people are given something for nothing, they will look around, resent the sloth of others and ultimately start producing nothing for nothing. And the societal framework around them will fail.


So...Fd , please look down upon my little hopelessly pre-programmed automaton existence.....and...
given those critical beliefs, but desperately wanting to be enlightened according to the teachings of Fd...
How should I vote in 2020?




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Hope you don't mind me tackling how should you vote in 2020 Martin..

The ONLY answer is to think about the three most important things to you in a politician as a person and three policy initiatives you are fervent about. No more than that because the human mind likes to think in threes...and the US Marines are fanatic about thinking in threes.

Then decide who meets those criteria. But do actively and honestly consider those "things"

If you do that, and forget thinking blindly along "tribal lines" then IMO you have done your job as a citizen and discharged your responsibility....and no one can fault\attack you for your vote

I know this is idealistic in a way, but IMO this is the only way to cut through the clutter and BS.

Oh and news reports here indicate the Russians are actively meddling. The latest is a video produced there that purports to show mass bible and flag burnings in Portland that has been traced back to them. So beware



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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Hope you don't mind me tackling how should you vote in 2020 Martin..

The ONLY answer is to think about the three most important things to you in a politician as a person and three policy initiatives you are fervent about. No more than that because the human mind likes to think in threes...and the US Marines are fanatic about thinking in threes.

Then decide who meets those criteria. But do actively and honestly consider those "things"

If you do that, and forget thinking blindly along "tribal lines" then IMO you have done your job as a citizen and discharged your responsibility....and no one can fault\attack you for your vote

I know this is idealistic in a way, but IMO this is the only way to cut through the clutter and BS.

Oh and news reports here indicate the Russians are actively meddling. The latest is a video produced there that purports to show mass bible and flag burnings in Portland that has been traced back to them. So beware



Back in the 60's it was rumored that the Russians were aggressively pumping drugs into our country and funding the anti-war movement..in an effort to de-stabilize our society. I have no proof other than to ask..."Why wouldn't they do that?" It makes sense that they did that? So Russian meddling is an omni-present fact of life. The CIA is an omnipresent fact of life all over the world. Particularly Russia.

Where it gets farcical is someone claiming that Russian tampering with Facebook invaded and rewired the brains of enough people so as to cause them to change their vote from Clinton to Trump, notwithstanding the massive polarity between the candidates... and thereby...change the outcome of the last election. That was and still is incredulous. The candidates were so polarizing that voting for one or the other was tantamount to voting for life or death, depending on viewpoint. Yet, the Ruuskys overcame that and thwarted the outcome? Boris and Natasha are something.

The problem with Portland is that people there are burning police cars and police stations, so bibles and flags is an easy sale for subversion-ists. The people that will light up the most at flag burning deep-fakes were gonna vote anyway.

As far as threes?....I'm going to try and think over whatever presents itself worthy of thinking over. It's just personal entertainment anyway. I have no influence over anything other than my own passtimes and one vote.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Sorry for the belated response.

Marty, ask thinking questions? Lol, and whats this chit about a beer? How long would it take for you to punch him in the face if he was just a regular joe at the bar?

The only reason your voting for trump is cause he's not democrat. And I suspect that's the way it is for many

Trump is probably better to have a beer with than biden, Biden wouldn't remember it was his turn to buy a round, although trump would probably walk out before buyin!!!!


Yes Fd, thinking questions.

Life doesn't always boil down to what Fd can fit "in a nut shell."

When I was a kid growing up in Birmingham, everyone I knew was a democrat. (southern democrat)
All the local and state politicians were democrats that I can remember.
My family supported democrats.

IMO....the most egregious event in American political history is the Watergate Break-in. A group of party thugs attempted to subvert the American electorate and constitution as if they were anointed for life and not elected. And they were close to the sitting President. He may have been an actual co-conspirator.
IMO...the 2nd most egregious event was when a putz who was neither elected to the vice presidency or the presidency, but drifted up into those positions to replace people who had to resign due to corruption...pardoned Nixon. And deprived the American people of the prosecution and scrutiny and sense of justice that they deserved.
So I worked on Carters' Democrat campaign and voted for him and was delighted when he beat Ford.

But his presidency was a horrible disappointment. As a sidenote I watched a democrat presidential candidate and elite, get drunk, drive off of a bridge, and drowned a human party favor in a swollen creek, yet be sitting quietly at breakfast the next morning when the police approached. Yet never stand trial or serve a day in jail. Yet, run for the presidency. A leading democrat. "The Lion of the Senate."

So in 1980 I did not vote. I didn't even pay attention.
Then Reagan came along and created prosperity out of "malaise." So I thought..."that's the way that you do it." And I voted for him to win a 2nd term.
Then I voted for Bush thinking I was getting Reagan-lite. All I got was a giant foreign war that was not engineered to finish what it started..and a globalist elite who bragged about being close buddies with Saudi Royals. Who imo are antithetical to what America has always meant.
So I quit voting again.

Later, the legacy dunce came along and he watched and clapped as the country built the mortgage bonfire over 8 years and set it on fire in 2008.
"This sucker could go down."

At that point I quit being a republican.
Then Obama got elected. I didnt vote for or against him but thought that he had some good ideas and hoped for the best.
Then Obama seemed to build a democrat party coalition around the notion of "white privilege." The message of the president and the democrat party seemed to be that I wasnt welcome in this country unless I displayed disgust and denouncement of myself because of how I look. It seems very unfair.

Aside from that....
Based upon the little that I know of history ....it seems a clear fact of life, over and over, that if a people lacks the will to establish and defend their own territory and boundaries, someone with the will and means will take it away from them, one way or another.

Based upon the little that I know of history ....it seems a clear fact of life that if the profit motive is removed from a nation's production and people are given something for nothing, they will look around, resent the sloth of others and ultimately start producing nothing for nothing. And the societal framework around them will fail.


So...Fd , please look down upon my little hopelessly pre-programmed automaton existence.....and...
given those critical beliefs, but desperately wanting to be enlightened according to the teachings of Fd...
How should I vote in 2020?





Many here don't agree with your choice and have said as much, when I come at it from.slightly different angle, you go on the attack. If I was enlightened, I would know who to vote for. I don't.

But your voting for a despicable, lying, unqualified president. You have that right, but I don't agree with the lesser of the two evil theory.

Don't be a wuss, this is conversation

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#1 Wuss? What does any of what you wrote even mean? I don't know what actual meaning to take from it.
#2 Dispicable, lying, unqualified? Ok then, I've laid out my overall POV.....How should I ACTUALLY vote in the presidential election, per your personal philosophies?

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[quote=Sunset Poet]Fd

#1 Wuss? What does any of what you wrote even mean? I don't know what actual meaning to take from it.
#2 Dispicable, lying, unqualified? Ok then, I've laid out my overall POV.....How should I vote in the presidential election, per your personal philosophies?[/quote
Missing the entire point. Moving on

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If you are going to summarize human motivation and pre-determinisn (SP) "in a nutshell," you should be prepared to tell me how to vote and why. ( i.e. what to do)

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It means that because you are conservative/Republican, and the candidate is Trump, it doesn't matter what he does or says or failed, you're gonna vote for him

It's not singling you out, it's how people vote. The names and faces don't matter, and whatever comes along as wrong doing... Will be tossed aside and either not believed or simply mitigated.

I find it funny when he calls another candidate nasty...maybe they are, but look who the hell is talking

Hey aoc is very untalented, but she's a real beauty lolllll

I'd date her

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
It means that because you are conservative/Republican, and the candidate is Trump, it doesn't matter what he does or says or failed, you're gonna vote for him

It's not singling you out, it's how people vote. The names and faces don't matter, and whatever comes along as wrong doing... Will be tossed aside and either not believed or simply mitigated.

I find it funny when he calls another candidate nasty...maybe they are, but look who the hell is talking

Hey aoc is very untalented, but she's a real beauty lolllll

I'd date her


Let's imagine that regardless of my hopeless pre-wiring....that I invited you to get on the phone with me at the moment that I voted for president...and tell me exactly what to do and I did it. What would you tell me to do?

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Can't throw the baby out with the bathwater Martin. The meddling reports are credible, the US was warned it would happen, it came up in the impeachment hearings....and the news is not fake http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire...agency-and-a-story-too-good-to-check-out

That you dismiss it as unimportant and lacking in influence is disturbing...



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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Can't throw the baby out with the bathwater Martin. The meddling reports are credible, the US was warned it would happen, it came up in the impeachment hearings....and the news is not fake http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire...agency-and-a-story-too-good-to-check-out

That you dismiss it as unimportant and lacking in influence is disturbing...



I acknowledge that Ruusky meddling happens. I acknowledge that it is menacing. Our society is wretchedly divided and subversion is so easy for them now. The perverse irony is that I used to be dismissed as a "right-wing reactionary" for saying so by the very same liberals who now see Boris and Natasha everywhere. That also engenders skepticism.

I don't know how much importance to give this video that you speak of. It has you on the edge of your seat, but not me on mine.
I will not be voting one way or the other based upon what the Ruuskys do or bible burning. Other than violating city fire bans, burning flags and bibles is not illegal. It is one of the lesser of today's issues.

And then I have to wonder if the lies are in full spin cycle?
Is it a fake? Or is it real footage of an actual event and being cited as a deep-fake for political purposes?
As I said...faked or not, it is not a stretch that people who will burn police stations will burn flags.

We'll see John. Try to relax. If Biden is seen as the better candidate by the electoral college...the Ruusky films wont stop his election.
If his election is unsuccessful I suspect that it will be due to things that he himself said.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
It means that because you are conservative/Republican, and the candidate is Trump, it doesn't matter what he does or says or failed, you're gonna vote for him

It's not singling you out, it's how people vote. The names and faces don't matter, and whatever comes along as wrong doing... Will be tossed aside and either not believed or simply mitigated.

I find it funny when he calls another candidate nasty...maybe they are, but look who the hell is talking

Hey aoc is very untalented, but she's a real beauty lolllll

I'd date her


Let's imagine that regardless of my hopeless pre-wiring....that I invited you to get on the phone with me at the moment that I voted for president...and tell me exactly what to do and I did it. What would you tell me to do?


Whats hopeless is you getting the point. I dont care who you vote for, this was conversation fodder.

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Ok then. You head on back up to Mt Olympus and I will return to my world of hopelessly limited and darkened perceptions.
wink

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet

Ok then. You head on back up to Mt Olympus and I will return to my world of hopelessly limited and darkened perceptions.
wink


Well the first step is admitting it. Carry on hopeless

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
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Ok then. You head on back up to Mt Olympus and I will return to my world of hopelessly limited and darkened perceptions.
wink


Well the first step is admitting it. Carry on hopeless


If I were you...I suppose I might have evaded an answer too.
When expanded... not a winning argument.

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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
I think this is an interesting argument. If you want to see how someone on the left politically sees things in our current divisive marxist world, check this out:
https://medium.com/unsafe-space/a-liberal-definition-of-the-alt-left-72ce53cad35c

It's a pay site but gives you 3 free articles so no need to sign up or register for anything.

It is well written, logical and written by a self described (and still solidly) liberal person who like many, got caught up in an illiberal movement that has pulled a fast one.

Use or lose as you see fit. Arguments from Libertarians like me or conservatives like others here seem to have failed. Perhaps someone firmly on the left will be an easier pill to swallow for you then.

Brian



A lot of the thoughts I am expressing here are new thoughts, for me, so read with great big IMHO throughout, please.

Without mentioning the words, it seems the author is talking mostly about "cancel culture" and situating it as an ideology somewhere within the left-right spectrum of politcal thought.

I don't ascribe all the attribues that the author does, as in, 'supports censorship, condones violence in response to speech, is obsessed with identity politics (much like the Alt-Right), and functions like a secular religion that gives its believers a sense of moral self-worth," but believe it, instead of censorship, to be about being held accountable for what one says, though the end result might be that people choose to censor themselves out of fear from the backlash from what they might say. I see a distinction, though, that Smith does not apparently see. And I am not saying that there is not an "air of fear" that makes NOT speaking feel tantamount to censorship. That I would agree with.

Same with "violence in response to speech." For instance, I don't believe BLM condones anything but peaceful protests, though it's not hard to see how peaceful demonstrations can end up violent. They can be opportunistic gateways for thugs who want only for personal gain while perhaps even deluding themselves that they have a right to steal and destroy others' property. Is BLM responsible for that? Just raising that question can illicit a lot of emotionally charged responses that can bring out anyone's ugly side. How would Smith parse the pepper-spraying of peaceful protesters outside of the nearbye church to clear the way for POTUS? So maybe these things that are done out of fear are bi-partisan perhaps or not idealogically based at all.

IMHO, I think of this proposed "alt-left ideology" to be more a "quasi" or faux-ideology that is the bi-product of mass psychology and something that anyone can get swept up in if not careful., not unlike the Salem Witch trials or any McCarthy-like fear-mongering, but in the age of Twitter, amped-up and with an immediate feedback system it can destroy lives overnight. It's what happens when fear clouds judgment; an ephemeral group, not unlike a flash mob, that can form and disband at a moments notice, depending on the issue and people involved, and yes, I think it's more the product of fear that anyone can get swept up in.

Grant Napier was the main broadcaster for The Sacramento Kings and had a regular show on a Sacramento News channel. He was recently asked by ex-King DeMarcus Cousins what he thought about BLM. Napier replied good naturedly, "ALL lives matter" and was fired within the week. Was this something BLM did? Of course not, but I imagine KHTK felt pressure (from listeners and sponsors) to remove him and wasn't acting purely out of ethical considerations.

I can find BLM an important movement that continues the legacy brought fourth by Martin Luther King, Jr., while simultaneously NOT liking every act that is the result of mass psychology that can happen as the result of such an important movement.

Same with "Me Too." It's amazing Weinstein remained in such a position of power as long as he did. Spacey, Louis C.K., Cosby, et al..where the Statute of Limitations fails, the court of public opinion seems to grab the baton and run with it. Sometimes that's a good thing, sometimes not.

Yes, sometimes good people are wrongly shamed and their livelihoods can be permanently damaged. But sometimes, I think shaming can be a good thing. It's an unofficial, ad-hoc, court that has power because normal people NOW HAVE more power. Well, maybe the power was always there but it just took eons to see any results. The same power that a troll has to disrupt lives is the same power that more righteous folks have to speak "truth to power." I don't think the baby is ever going to get thrown out with the bathwater. The Internet, Facebook, Twitter,and the instantaneous groups that can form around an idea or opinion certainly makes this like the playing out of that Chinese curse of living in interesting times.

I think there's a danger when wanting to over-generalize these issues and lump things into columns. I think it's really a lot messier than that. I don't see any over-arching "movement" within the democratic party that is Marxist, per se, just a lot of mass psychology and the results of how "fear" plays on various people who may be trying to maintain the status quo or maybe are fearing their own livelihood might be damaged if they speak up. Mass psychology and fear were also at work in Salem and at the McCarthy hearings. Tailgunner Joe was as Republican as they come. Fear and mob psychology seem to transcend party lines.

Mike


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Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
I think this is an interesting argument. If you want to see how someone on the left politically sees things in our current divisive marxist world, check this out:
https://medium.com/unsafe-space/a-liberal-definition-of-the-alt-left-72ce53cad35c

It's a pay site but gives you 3 free articles so no need to sign up or register for anything.

It is well written, logical and written by a self described (and still solidly) liberal person who like many, got caught up in an illiberal movement that has pulled a fast one.

Use or lose as you see fit. Arguments from Libertarians like me or conservatives like others here seem to have failed. Perhaps someone firmly on the left will be an easier pill to swallow for you then.

Brian



Hi Brian,

Thanks for sharing. I was a card carrying liberal, then an independent, now a conservative who still believes in treating all people the same, by how they speak and act, not by their race religion, or ideology. The left today is not the same left I was part of. They would never have condoned the violence and hate shown by so many on the left today. They would have spoken out against the suppression of free speech at learning centers all over America today. Many of them have turned to the right because the left has left them. It is also true that anyone who speaks out against these new values is automatically part of the "Racist" right wing now. I am amazed, but not speechless, as you can see.


This is why I've been a libertarian (not part of their "party" which is a joke, much like the R and D parties) since I first heard of it in 1975 as a little kid. In my view it the best of the left and the right. Basically it is do the right thing and leave me alone ideology. It is free speech without forcing me to follow your beliefs. If you have a better idea, tell me and I will be the judge if it works for me. The only place for Gov and law enforcement is where our rights cross each other and must be moderated for co-existence.


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What amazes me is how often the subject rushes back to Trump, especially after someone posts something that doesn't go along with the Democratic line. I put up the chart of how much of the new wall is up now, or how the country is so much better off, and next thing you know I see how bad Trump is. Again, I don't like him personally, but he has, and will continue, to do better things for this country than anything anyone else will. All I hear from the other side is how they plan to rewrite history, tear down everything America has ever done, and then turn it into Cuba, Venezuela, or Russia.

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Yes, sometimes good people are wrongly shamed and their livelihoods can be permanently damaged. But sometimes, I think shaming can be a good thing. It's an unofficial, ad-hoc, court that has power because normal people NOW HAVE more power. Well, maybe the power was always there but it just took eons to see any results. The same power that a troll has to disrupt lives is the same power that more righteous folks have to speak "truth to power." I don't think the baby is ever going to get thrown out with the bathwater. The Internet, Facebook, Twitter,and the instantaneous groups that can form around an idea or opinion certainly makes this like the playing out of that Chinese curse of living in interesting times.

And sometimes shaming does what it usually does, convinces people to at least act like they are going along. It means going along to get along.
As far as BLM, If they don't want to be blamed for the actions being done in their name, they should be loudly saying they don't condone this, not saying they are going to take whole states in reparation for slavery. Every race has been slaves at one time or another in history. Do we all get reparations from everyone who has held our kind as slaves since the beginning of the world.


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