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#1167820 - 08/14/20 05:21 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: John W. Selleck]  
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Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
I put up the chart of how much of the new wall is up now, or how the country is so much better off, ...


Uhhh, only 3 miles of wall has been put up in places where no wall was before. The rest is upgrades to existing fencing. Here it is from fox news: "... While much of that construction has been in places where there were already existing structures, ..." I know these facts don't fit in with the desired narrative, but as trump would say "It is what it is".


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#1167821 - 08/14/20 05:32 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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I put up the chart of how much of the new wall is up now, or how the country is so much better off, ...


Uhhh, only 3 miles of wall has been put up in places where no wall was before. The rest is upgrades to existing fencing. Here it is from fox news: "... While much of that construction has been in places where there were already existing structures, ..." I know these facts don't fit in with the desired narrative, but as trump would say "It is what it is".






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Again, as posted before, but you probably didn't go to, all you have to do is go down on the page click on the map and "See":


https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/along-us-borders/border-wall-system


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Hmm... The Washington Post differs; "Trump has promised to build at least 500 miles of new fencing by early next year, and his administration has completed about 110 miles so far". And The Washington Post isn't very Trump friendly. Yeah, numbers, or should I say the "number's game". Always distorted to fit the agenda. I'm sure you'll find a lot of Googles that state differently. Bottom-line... be suspicious of everything and everybody. As Doctor House says, "everybody lies".

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Hmm... The Washington Post differs; "Trump has promised to build at least 500 miles of new fencing by early next year, and his administration has completed about 110 miles so far". And The Washington Post isn't very Trump friendly. Yeah, numbers, or should I say the "number's game". Always distorted to fit the agenda. I'm sure you'll find a lot of Googles that state differently. Bottom-line... be suspicious of everything and everybody. As Doctor House says, "everybody lies".

John smile

Hi John L,
Or go to the link above from the US Customs and Border Patrol and see for yourself how much is being done...
And yes, replacing useless existing fencing should count because it is "New"!


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On December 17, 2019, acting Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Mark Morgan stated that 93 miles of barriers had been built during the Trump administration; according to CBP,[[[ ""at least 90 miles of that replaced existing structures, maybe its all how you read it...


Read the above, and go to the link... As of August 10, 2020

https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/along-us-borders/border-wall-system


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And of course, what does any of this have to do with the socialist paradise/Cuba/Venezuela the Democrats want to turn America into?


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if you need any opinions on the other statements, just ask I`m happy to state what I think most of the, most of them Kevin are due to the china virus. you want to make a deal with someone trying to kill you?....lol


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Alot more than I thought
Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
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On December 17, 2019, acting Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Mark Morgan stated that 93 miles of barriers had been built during the Trump administration; according to CBP,[[[ ""at least 90 miles of that replaced existing structures, maybe its all how you read it...


Read the above, and go to the link... As of August 10, 2020

https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/along-us-borders/border-wall-system



Alot more than I thought


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Originally Posted by lane1777
if you need any opinions on the other statements, just ask I`m happy to state what I think most of the, most of them Kevin are due to the china virus. you want to make a deal with someone trying to kill you?....lol

This is what the left does best, states opinions, not facts...


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Originally Posted by lane1777
Alot more than I thought
Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
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On December 17, 2019, acting Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Mark Morgan stated that 93 miles of barriers had been built during the Trump administration; according to CBP,[[[ ""at least 90 miles of that replaced existing structures, maybe its all how you read it...


Read the above, and go to the link... As of August 10, 2020

https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/along-us-borders/border-wall-system



Alot more than I thought


A lot more than most are being led to believe.


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Yeah right Kevin.

Your little meme is very convincing proof. And the reference to Fox news assures accuracy. Oh yeah.
I don't know how much wall has been built but (IF) they have replaced existing fences shown in red with good fence?

That is great progress.

I don't care who pays for it.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Yeah right Kevin.

Your little meme is very convincing proof. And the reference to Fox news assures accuracy. Oh yeah.
I don't know how much wall has been built but (IF) they have replaced existing fences shown in red with good fence?

That is great progress.

I don't care who pays for it.

Some interesting little facts, every illegal they keep out, or keep from returning, keeps one from sending dollars back into Mexico. Every shipment of drugs they keep out, and every shipment of cash they keep in. keeps money out of Mexico. Everyone they keep out, or keep from returning, is less dollars we have to spend to support them. "Winner, winner, chicken dinner!".


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I have zero problem with replacing existing wall with improved fencing/wall. No problem at all. But the admin is trying to pass it off as brand new mileage. I just don't see how anyone can't figure that out.


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
I have zero problem with replacing existing wall with improved fencing/wall. No problem at all. But the admin is trying to pass it off as brand new mileage. I just don't see how anyone can't figure that out.

And you will continue to spout the party line...


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
I have zero problem with replacing existing wall with improved fencing/wall. No problem at all. But the admin is trying to pass it off as brand new mileage. I just don't see how anyone can't figure that out.


If you have no problem with replacing existing wall then you should be fine with the fact that something is getting done about the wall...at all.

Old wall? New wall? Wall! All this other wah-wah-waaaah is of little importance.

Dont be a nu-nu Kevin.

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If you guys want to live in a fact free alternate universe, go ahead, just don't expect me to join you there.

In another case, the post office just warned 46 states that they won't be able to deliver ballots on time to be counted. This is trump and his minions interfering with the democratic process. I know you all agree that "liberals" should not be allowed to vote, so basically have at it. At this point in time, If you are pro-trump then you are basically anti-America.


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
If you guys want to live in a fact free alternate universe, go ahead, just don't expect me to join you there.

In another case, the post office just warned 46 states that they won't be able to deliver ballots on time to be counted. This is trump and his minions interfering with the democratic process. I know you all agree that "liberals" should not be allowed to vote, so basically have at it. At this point in time, If you are pro-trump then you are basically anti-America.

Wonderful! But, the Kool-Aid in yours is one I won't be standing in line to drink!
Geez, that means all your illegal, and most of your dead people won't get to vote. LOL!


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Kevin

it is you that is the self appointed democrat propagandist information spinner.

Regarding the wall...
There are two sources I've seen mentioned here so far. One is Wapo? The other is Kevin's meme?

Neither are likely accurate. Which one is probably closer? wink

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Kevin

it is you that is the self appointed democrat propagandist information spinner.

Regarding the wall...
There are two sources I've seen mentioned here so far. One is Wapo? The other is Kevin's meme?

Neither are likely accurate. Which one is probably closer? wink


My stats are from the United States site that should be good enough for anyone, but next thing up will be how bad Trump is...

https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/along-us-borders/border-wall-system


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Kevin

it is you that is the self appointed democrat propagandist information spinner.

Regarding the wall...
There are two sources I've seen mentioned here so far. One is Wapo? The other is Kevin's meme?

Neither are likely accurate. Which one is probably closer? wink


My stats are from the United States site that should be good enough for anyone, but next thing up will be how bad Trump is...

https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/along-us-borders/border-wall-system


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Your stats have not been certified by Rachel Maddow.

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To all the Pandemic Worshippers… it won’t be long until we’re reclassified a third world country. Then the pandemic deaths will seem insignificant to the number of deaths from lack of medical care, equipment and supplies, food, Social Security, federal and state welfare programs, etc… Thousands of businesses have already closed permanently. The Government can only rely on their money-making presses for so long, until hyperinflation squashes the economy. It won’t be long before you go into the grocery store and pay $25 for a loaf of bread (if it’s still available). So yeah, save some questionable lives today with the stupid restrictions and shutdowns at the expense of millions of deaths in the near future.

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Or, don't do anything (which was already tried) don't save quetionable lives, but have hospitals to bankrupt, needing gov funds to keep them open, and to have enough supplies and personal, so that when somebody has a heart attack and stroke, they don't die cause they have nowhere to go for treatment, and lay off health care workers adding to the unemployment deficit, and all the medical supply companies have nobody to sell their products and Go out of business, and the economy tanks even worse.

..........hmmmm

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You guys just keep doing what they want... arguing BS Right/Left theatrics while both parties simply trade back and forth in cooperation while they collectively get away with murder.

Meanwhile in the first 6 months of 2020 25% of 18-24 year olds have contemplated suicide according to the DC and suicides are soaring at record highs.

What will be left when the elites have finished pillaging our country and putting us into 20-30 trillion in debt while interest rates nudge up bankrupting the USA and putting us into 3rd world nation territory? We'll be a cakewalk for the Chinese and Russians to waltz in with the UN and militarize our streets further? How much more debt from the left/right cartel can we take?

Wake up... it's the elites and their troops and their useful idiots against the rest of us.

We need to stop pointing the finger at each other and protect the next 3 generations from slavery regardless of "party" viewpoints.or petty political notions.


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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
To all the Pandemic Worshippers… it won’t be long until we’re reclassified a third world country. Then the pandemic deaths will seem insignificant to the number of deaths from lack of medical care, equipment and supplies, food, Social Security, federal and state welfare programs, etc… Thousands of businesses have already closed permanently. The Government can only rely on their money-making presses for so long, until hyperinflation squashes the economy. It won’t be long before you go into the grocery store and pay $25 for a loaf of bread (if it’s still available). So yeah, save some questionable lives today with the stupid restrictions and shutdowns at the expense of millions of deaths in the near future.

John


This is the truth.
Hyper-inflation isn't an absolute given but as the debt grows huge relative to treasury income... it hangs over our heads like a giant asteroid. And at some point the economy breaks down under its weight and the fed prints money that people lose confidence in. When people lose confidence in money, it takes more money to buy the same thing. Ultimately if the debt gets re-paid, the debt gets paid back with dollars that have no value relative to when they were borrowed. Banana Republic stuff. Except they usually dont pay back anything. They just reset the currency or invent a new one.

I've read that many businesses are running out of PPP at this time and that income is still not happening. So bills dont get paid. I,personally have two invoices over 120 days. If that scenario becomes a cascade down and then an avalanche of bankruptsies, people will not pay people who will not pay people who will not pay people... possibly resulting in a death spiral contraction. The implications of that are many bad things.

But the disease can kill you. At most of our ages, getting the disease is a serious threat. The numbers favor you not getting it, unless you are sloppy and imprudent. Then they go up substantially.

Sometimes a person is just F'd. This is one of those times. There is no do-this-solution with a clean walkaway.
The only workable solution is learning to live with the disease and strive to live as normal a life as possible and be as smart as possible about that. That starts with something simple and easy... wearing a mask.



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It's a global problem, we Americans are only looking at the us. every country has lockdown and mask mandates, even countries like South Korea and New Zealand which were doing very well have gotten hit

This is about global debt not national debt.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
It's a global problem, we Americans are only looking at the us. every country has lockdown and mask mandates, even countries like South Korea and New Zealand which were doing very well have gotten hit

This is about global debt not national debt.



True
Global debt matters...but Americas debt matters the most. We still lead.
NZ and Korea are a drop in the bucket.

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Dr. Fauci, Bill Gates, the Government and all the Pandemic Preachers aren’t going to save you when our Country hits rock bottom. The people that will save you are the people the pandemic posse is destroying. Can you guess who they are? They’re the producers of goods. The ones who supply all your necessities for pleasure and survival - from manufacturing to making the product available to you. The ones you’ve been calling evil capitalists for decades.

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Dr. Fauci, Bill Gates, the Government and all the Pandemic Preachers aren’t going to save you when our Country hits rock bottom. The people that will save you are the people the pandemic posse is destroying. Can you guess who they are? They’re the producers of goods. The ones who supply all your necessities for pleasure and survival - from manufacturing to making the product available to you. The ones you’ve been calling evil capitalists for decades.

John


Also True.
But you have to survive to see anything happen.
"Life is for the living"

Wear the mask John.

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But other countries can't take us over if they have the same problem

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Dr. Fauci, Bill Gates, the Government and all the Pandemic Preachers aren’t going to save you when our Country hits rock bottom. The people that will save you are the people the pandemic posse is destroying. Can you guess who they are? They’re the producers of goods. The ones who supply all your necessities for pleasure and survival - from manufacturing to making the product available to you. The ones you’ve been calling evil capitalists for decades.

John


Well said John L,
If everything keeps rolling along like it has been, we will have global bankruptcy. When that happens people in one country can't buy from people in other countries because money is no good, except in the country of origin. If this ever happens, America will be OK because we can grow or manufacture anything we need, whereas many countries cannot. Understand, I don't want to see this happen, but it might. The only solution is for all countries to start to open back up, with reasonable precautions in place. If we stay locked down, this will happen, it is just a matter of time.


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Im the only one who mentioned the global problem. yeah, we could start to mfg our own goods but in a downward spiral economy it could be hard and take along time. But your guys' dire futuristic consequences are a little over The top

The solution is to hang tough until the vaccine is passed . We were able to develop a vaccine in months....there's no stopping This country

Even in a pandemic stocks are doing well.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Im the only one who mentioned the global problem. yeah, we could start to mfg our own goods but in a downward spiral economy it could be hard and take along time. But your guys' dire futuristic consequences are a little over The top

The solution is to hang tough until the vaccine is passed . We were able to develop a vaccine in months....there's no stopping This country

Even in a pandemic stocks are doing well.


How bad does it need to get for them to start reopening?

https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/p...-into-worst-recession-since-world-war-ii

https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/insights/economy/global-economic-outlook/weekly-update.html Insightful even if I don't agree with all of it!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/24/coronavirus-pandemics-impact-on-the-global-economy-in-7-charts.html


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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
You guys just keep doing what they want... arguing BS Right/Left theatrics while both parties simply trade back and forth in cooperation while they collectively get away with murder.

Meanwhile in the first 6 months of 2020 25% of 18-24 year olds have contemplated suicide according to the DC and suicides are soaring at record highs.

What will be left when the elites have finished pillaging our country and putting us into 20-30 trillion in debt while interest rates nudge up bankrupting the USA and putting us into 3rd world nation territory? We'll be a cakewalk for the Chinese and Russians to waltz in with the UN and militarize our streets further? How much more debt from the left/right cartel can we take?

Wake up... it's the elites and their troops and their useful idiots against the rest of us.

We need to stop pointing the finger at each other and protect the next 3 generations from slavery regardless of "party" viewpoints.or petty political notions.


Basically, what you're saying, is it doesn't matter who wins the next election. While we agree on a lot of things, here you are so wrong. It would be great if we could all pull together for the good of this great country but that isn't going to happen, and saying who runs it doesn't matter is ignoring a very big problem. To do that would be to put our heads in the sand and ignore the future of America as a country.


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Reopening is one thing, getting employees to want to go out and use mass transit every day to get to work, and getting customers to to forget all about it and start buying like they did pre pandemic, is another

My sister in law is in travel, her industry is done, shot, caput.... She is an agent

Nobody wants to wait around in airports or on airplanes closed in with other peole....(without masks as some want?)

Many don't want to go to gyms, amusement parks, malls, restaurants...

Nobody wants to goto arenas with 50k screaming into your face.

So no matter what, the recession and economy will continue to be hurt for many years.

Have a proven vaccine, half those troubles go away.

Find a great treatment,75% goes away.

It's complicated , no simple solutions.

And if a second more vigilant strain comes along, we're in trouble again.

They have to put restrictions on, nobody wants blood on their hands for something as simple as making a mask mandatory.


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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Reopening is one thing, getting employees to want to go out and use mass transit every day to get to work, and getting customers to to forget all about it and start buying like they did pre pandemic, is another

My sister in law is in travel, her industry is done, shot, caput.... She is an agent

Nobody wants to wait around in airports or on airplanes closed in with other peole....(without masks as some want?)

Many don't want to go to gyms, amusement parks, malls, restaurants...

Nobody wants to goto arenas with 50k screaming into your face.

So no matter what, the recession and economy will continue to be hurt for many years.

Have a proven vaccine, half those troubles go away.

Find a great treatment,75% goes away.

It's complicated , no simple solutions.

And if a second more vigilant strain comes along, we're in trouble again.

They have to put restrictions on, nobody wants blood on their hands for something as simple as making a mask mandatory.



The only way this is going to get better is for people to put on their big boy/girl pants, put on the masks to keep everyone from being so afraid, and get out there and work, and live. One of my own favorite sayings is when I stop living I will die.


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The other things to think about are these;

How many are going to trust a new vaccine?

We already have treatments that work for most people, the survival rate is very high.

Maybe masks are going to be the new norm, and for people like me, who don't like or believe in them, we will wear them to make other people feel safer.


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Not everybody is as brave as you are. Many don't like taking the subway under normal circumstances .

People lived their whole lives without this threat, suddenly it's there.

Big boy pants....lol. I bet hundreds of doctors in nj alone would disagree with you

Most agree we have to get back to normal, but not everybody agrees when and how

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Another thing is international travel. Who's gonna want to travel to another country at least before a vaccine is ready?

Zilch

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Another thing is international travel. Who's gonna want to travel to another country at least before a vaccine is ready?

Zilch


Me! When I stop living I'll die.


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Well Warren Zevon once said ...I'll sleep when im dead

Great writer so underrated

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It doesn't matter to me how much wall trump has built. any percevied lack of wall, isn't for lack of trying. I would go into a rant about a lot of other things but I'm tired. maybe tomorrow.


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It's called finding any way to make the #'s work for what you want!


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I see, and the reason for your opinion? Is it based on science?

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You and I share some conservative political views. I think I am more aligned with you than anyone else posting here. I'm sorry about that. For your sake, I hope that it is not true. wink

Considering this disease, I put the following out for your consideration...

How many "flu seasons" in the past have produced cruise liners saturated with disease and docking with corpses? If the cruise lines were allowed to operate at will and decided to put as many boats out as possible...how would that look now?

Cuomo is being slammed viciously (imo) as a "murderer." Yet, many of these same people who level that accusation are preaching that this virus is overblown nonsense. How does overblown nonsense produce decimation and mass "murder" at nursing homes?

Nothwithstanding that the world is freaked out and social distancing and wearing masks and so forth....if you assumed that 50% of the declared covid deaths in the USA are mis-labled bullsh t...we would be at a total number of deaths that equaled the worst of flu seasons...and still rising.

I don't see how that can be looked at and labelled as a hoax or something to be largely ignored or a matter of little concern.


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Marty you make perfect sense when you say, the same people malign Cuomo(who I'm not crazy about, aside of that), while at the same time saying the virus is a hoax. If it's a hoax, he can't be a murderer.

But this goes back to some of my previous points. You don't see Democrats calling him a murderer, only Republicans. If he were republican, the same arguments would be made by dems against Cuomo.

It's so obviously partisanism. How many dems think the virus think is a hoax?

And where would the idea of a hoax even come from if not read by somebody who reads their biased news articles? Have to hear about a hoax from somebody.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Marty you make perfect sense when you say, the same people malign Cuomo(who I'm not crazy about, aside of that), while at the same time saying the virus is a hoax. If it's a hoax, he can't be a murderer.

But this goes back to some of my previous points. You don't see Democrats calling him a murderer, only Republicans. If he were republican, the same arguments would be made by dems against Cuomo.

It's so obviously partisanism. How many dems think the virus think is a hoax?

And where would the idea of a hoax even come from if not read by somebody who reads their biased news articles? Have to hear about a hoax from somebody.



As I've said in a prior post..."framing" Cuomo as a murderer is vicious right wing propaganda. Some of the worst ever.

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Yeah, there's enough reasons not to like he and his brother.

But this is the kind of stuff that divides the nation.

I'm not saying all republicans think it's a hoax, in fact I know they all doint, but chances are, when somebody say the virus is a hoax, they are republican, or maybe independent.

What does it come down to? What news source you choose to believe

I wonder how many republicans would slam trump if he was a Democrat for being a draft dodger? I hear them slamming dems who are all the time.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Yeah, there's enough reasons not to like he and his brother.

But this is the kind of stuff that divides the nation.

I'm not saying all republicans think it's a hoax, in fact I know they all doint, but chances are, when somebody say the virus is a hoax, they are republican, or maybe independent.

What does it come down to? What news source you choose to believe

I wonder how many republicans would slam trump if he was a Democrat for being a draft dodger? I hear them slamming dems who are all the time.


The left and the right have matching counterparts. The left says that this is Trump's disease. The right counters with Cuomo the murderer.
The actual truth has little to do with the war for power. Other than sprinkling enough truth in to make propaganda sell-able.

The disease, otoh, is a physical entity.

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