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One of several articles on side effects of sucarol--Splenda (sp) I don't know how well proven. The link just wouldn't post on the shout http://www.livestrong.com/article/462522
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But Wy, the conclusion in that article is that no evidence has been found that sucralose (Splenda) has any of those side effects in humans. Apparently, in testing, no adverse reactions were noted as long as the amount consumed wasn't more than 4,000 packets a day. I guess that makes it safe enough for me. I've been using Splenda for over a year (e.g. a maximum of 12 tiny tabs a day in coffee or tea [4 tabs in each cup] ) and have noted nothing negative. I avoid sugar like the proverbial plague. Donna
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I'm not suggesting anything here one way or the other, it just reminds me. Recently, I ran into an old friend who I haven't seen in years. Instead of talking about old times or our families etc., she spent a good 20 minutes lecturing me about diet sodas, the effects of soy, why one should have a diet consisting mostly of cooked meat, why my water filter was no good since it wasn't reverse osmosis, and how wheat was killing me. Then she lit up a cigarette. True story.
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I'm not suggesting anything here one way or the other, it just reminds me. Recently, I ran into an old friend who I haven't seen in years. Instead of talking about old times or our families etc., she spent a good 20 minutes lecturing me about diet sodas, the effects of soy, why one should have a diet consisting mostly of cooked meat, why my water filter was no good since it wasn't reverse osmosis, and how wheat was killing me. Then she lit up a cigarette. True story. Good story, Mike. I love the irony. In the food/nutrition debate, the bottom line is - I think - to choose one's "evil" wisely. Donna
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The problem is on the sucarole that there haven't been any studies on the long term effects. But I guess we can wait till we find out The omly sub i use and that's only in coffee is Stevita. I'll ask Google about it but last I knew there hadn't been any negatives. I'll inquire though
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This is what I brought up on Stevita- I'm sure there's more, as there are on sucarole
"Stevia has undergone numerous toxicity tests. None of these tests have shown any harmful effects. Few substances can make this claim. The real test, though, was centuries of continuous use by natives of South America. In addition, thousands of tons of stevia extracts have been consumed over the last 20 years in many countries with no harmful effects reported
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I'm absolutely with you on Stevita (Stevia), Wy. It's definitely the healthy one. In fact, I think I introduced you to it, did I not? Only reason I don't use it any longer is because - to me - tea & coffee tastes better with Splenda. I can also use Splenda for baking (the little that I do). I found Stevia much too sweet. Donna
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I hate all those medical reports in the nitely news. They give a desease or some such report and then proceed to give all the symptoms. As I listen, I say I have that, and that, and that, and etc. All these years and I am on my last legs! You know what don't give me any more medical reports! I don't want to know! I have heard of people taking antibodics to ward off dieaese. Unfortuntantly after a while those dieasess develop defenses and the antibodics don't work anymore. Anything that is developed for human consumption is tested extensively before it is put on the market. A lot of things are bad for you, or good for you!
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Great story, Mike!
Yeah, when it comes to nutrition...I swear by zucchini...but it has to be fried, or those pesticides will kill you!
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Mike you should have put your foot down on her butt, cigarette butt that is!!! Cheers Paul
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Well Jason, my zucchini is blooming all over the place and I don't see a single little zucchini!! I hope it's not like my Kiwi. It's in it's second year of blooming and it finally informed me that there weren't gonna be any little kiwis till I got it a female kiwi vine for ...company. A strange arrangement but I guess it knows what it wants Oh yeah, on the wisdom of the FDA approving stuff. I believe the company that makes aspartame had been trying to get it approved for years and was thoroughly tested---bad, bad, bad. then with a change in the political climate---Oh, well its ok!! and look what a mess IT was!!
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Yep on stevita Donna you sure did turn me on..to stevita . Thanks Dang, I found out that's where the majority of the sugar was going out of my sugar sack. Now it get hard before I ever get it used.
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a little confused here...are we talking about Splenda because furthur down you mention Stevita (which I've never heard of), I have heard of Stevia.
From what I've read/heard any and all artificial sweetners are no good, toxic, dangerous and when broken down molecularly amount to ant poison (neurotoxins). The internet has vast reading on that subject. I'll admit they almost look pretty in their mini pink and blue packets sitting there on the restaurant table promising no/low calories, but remember beauty is only skin deep. Don't be tempted by these little packets of poison!!
I do believe "Stevia" is all natural and safe, and comes from a plant in Uruguay but someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
Remember too if the FDA approves something it doesn't always mean it's safe!!! Look how many FDA approved foods/pharmaceuticals that are recalled or taken off shelves!!
Buyer Beware!!!
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Lynn, you're right. Stevia is fine (and "Stevita" is simply a brand name). The others are "unnatural" and possibly harmful to varying degrees, depending on the extent of the consumption. Aspartame - found in many soft drinks - in particular is a known culprit.
I used Stevia for some time (still have bottles/jars of it in my cupboard), but never liked the way it made things taste. So I opted to switch to Splenda, which I use sparingly in any case.
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I'm with you on Stevia Donna. Never cared for the after taste. Didn't sweeten properly either. It may be okay for baking, but IMO not good for direct applications like cereal, iced tea, coffee, etc... As far as testing goes, a lot depends on the creditability of the testing procedure (not to mention the testers agenda). I remember the test that was done on cyclamates. The lab fed rats the equivalent of a thousand soft drinks worth of cyclamates a day for six months until cancer showed-up. A similar taste was done on natural sugar with only of a fraction of the amount. The rats also ended up with cancer from sugar. These laboratory tests can be manipulated. Depends on what desired results are wanted. As far as the FDA, I wouldnt trust them judging the winner of a pie eating contest. John
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I use Stevita in coffee all the time. I can tell very little difference from sugar. As far as testing, I understand that most tests are either run by the drug company involved or it's funded by the company so draw your own conclusions
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I could live with Stevia if it wasn't for Splenda being available. John
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The scientific community keeps moving the goalpoasts...one minute they say a thing is safe next poisonous.......then a few years later they change their minds. Many foodstuffs and drink have been blamed as dangerous. Right now in Edinburgh we have legionaires disease.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9321587/Cases-of-legionnaires-in-Edinburgh-rise-to-80.htmlcasued by droplets of contaminated water finding their way into the air......which has already caused at least one death and many folk left seriously ill....so there are many things to be concerned about not just the food we eat but the air we breath. An old doctor friend of mine said that anything in moderation was OK and a good healthy balanced diet plus exercise never did much harm.....anything to excess is however dangerous. Most of the processed food we eat is saturated with sugar and salt and contains chemicals which the long term effects are not known. So my advice is to be careful.....and take what scientists say with a pinch of salt...excuse the pun.....Some of these experts have a vested interest like the ones working for tobacco companies who say it is still safe to smoke.
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she spent a good 20 minutes lecturing me about diet sodas, the effects of soy, why one should have a diet consisting mostly of cooked meat, why my water filter was no good since it wasn't reverse osmosis, and how wheat was killing me. Then she lit up a cigarette. True story. Here is another one - I was in the wine section of a grocery store and there was a sign saying you should wipe the neck of an open wine bottle with a wet cloth because the foil wrapper might have left some metal contamination on the bottle. Then I step outside, get in my car, and drive on a curvy road with sheer drops of hundreds of feet off the nonexistent shoulder - and with no guard rails. I use three packets of Splenda daily instead of sugar in my coffee. I reckon the benefit outweighs the risk. Scott
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Just double check where the wet cloth has been first......LOL
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I also read that there is quite a variance in different brands of Stevia and stevita especially as to taste--aftertaste. I looked at what I have--from Arlington Texas but comes from Brazil. It's called Rebaudiane or something like that
Thanks Lynn. Actually, I tried Splenda once but I didn't like it
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I'm fine with Splenda in my tea & coffee, but never touch soft drinks.
I also can't stand sugar-free gum, with all the ghastly chemicals. They literally make me feel nauseous. So when I buy gum, it's the 'normal' kind, even though it's harder and harder to find.
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I'm a firm believer in food being as close to its natural state as possible. My family cess pool consists of diabetes, heart disease, thyroid malfunctions, kidney and liver diseases, digestive problems etc.
So, I use sugar, not a substitute. Whole wheat flour when needed. Real veggies avoiding cans when the good stuff is in season. I watch my blood sugar which has been doing pretty good. My total cholesterol at last check was 150 total, each of the 3 parts being right around 50. We also don't fry a lot of anything. Besides the mess it makes, it really puts a strain on my hiatal hernia making me sick for hours. I use real butter and real eggs and eat real ice cream.
My thinking is that if it's not natural your body may not be able to process it making for problems down the road. Of course, now I'm looking into more organic foods as I'm scheduling a few biopsies next week. Just to get a jump on the possible bad news. Doesn't hurt, right. I could easily be a vegetarian but probably never vegan as I do love a good egg salad sandwich and also love some buttered garlic toast. Oh well, it's not gonna kill me to eat it. My hubs' great grandmother lived to be 106 and ate fried pork, gravy made with lard, and other "bad" for you foods all her life. She also ate garden veggies and lots of peas and such.
I stopped using Splenda after I stopped dieting and have actually lost 5 pounds when I went back to sugar. GO figure.
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As to your last paragraph Caroline, I've seen some explanations on that--Your body isn't satisfied with The artificial sweetener so it increases your appetite to make up for it and also stores more carbohydrates than normal. Course, you can find some stuff to the contrary too, but that's probably put in by the people who sell the artificial stuff
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Very interesting indeed, John. The section on sugar alcohols confirms my own experience. With Splenda (i.e. in tea/coffee/ very occasional baked item), I feel no negative effect whatever. With sugar alchohols, e.g. as in sugar-free chewing gum, I feel nauseous within a couple of hours. (Make that past tense, as I no longer use sugar-free gum.) Another point - and one that annoys/amuses me - is that people rave about toxic effects of this, that, and the other thing, but forget that the testing is always done on animals (poor things). These creatures' systems are vastly different from ours, so results are going to be compromised. Donna For anyone interested, here's a report - one of many - on the toxicity of sugar. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57407294/is-sugar-toxic/And with sugar, the "lab rats" are humans. And 100% voluntary.
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Ah yes, the "happy medium". You're right, JM. Honey is touted to be healthy, though folks are also warned that "there's honey and there's honey". http://www.rodale.com/research-feed/most-store-bought-honey-isnt-honey-all-tests-showFor my part, I can handle honey in tea (and I use it in herbal teas), but no way in coffee. YUK! Donna
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this calls for a song...... this one will start with the Chorus first... "No Artificial Sweeteners"(sung in a countree twang) (c)2012 Lynn OrloffI dont need no artificial sweeteners When the good Lord in His wisdom made the bees And the bees do such a good job makin honey Seems it boils down to common sense for meWell it seems theyve got those pretty little packets On the table at the diner where I eat One is pink and one is blue and one is yellow And they look so harmless starin up at me Though the packaging is really kind of temptin There is danger in the contents found inside So Ill play it safe and stick to good ole honey Use the good stuff that comes straight out of the hives No I dont need no artificial sweetener When the good Lord in His wisdom made the bees And the bees do such a good job makin honey Seems it boils down to common sense for me
I used to be a trustin soul and trust the FDA But I have learned they make mistakes, too many good folks say..No you won't find me a usin fancy sweeteners Instead theres jars of honey on my shelf Ill stick to mother natures plan for goodness Aint takin any chances with my health
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Love it Lynn!!!! "Chemically manipulated" sounds suspect right on the face of it !!! YUCK!! If sugar was bad for you, I shoulda been dead long ago !!! I'm sure glad I started this thread . Things were getting so dull around here.
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Whether I agree with them or not, they're clever lyrics Lynn. Honey works (except like Donna said, not in coffee - yuk). Though be careful of botulism in honey. And never feed honey to babies (because of harnful bacteria). Be careful having too much faith in natural ingredients. Arsenic is natural. Best, John
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John,
Lol, arsenic is all natural and none good for you. Even though our bodies have trace amounts in general, arsenic is one of those things that we get without knowing.
Rain water in some parts of the country has higher levels than other parts of the country. So, a lot of our veggies per soil growth will have higher levels than we think. Boiling water increases the levels of arsenic. Bummer huh! Coffee, tea, pastas, etc. if you heat or boil you increase the levels.
I'm sure Splenda isn't as harmful as that.
So anyway, just thought I'd share some of the wisdom that my sons having autism has brought me through the last 17 years.
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Caroline, yeah, a lot of controversy over this lately, in part because of the Doctor Oz show. Recently he had a show on the unacceptable arsenic levels in apple juice and grape juice. Upset the entire apple juice producing community. Of course they were aware of it all along. Just were keeping mum about it. John
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I think we can conclude that there isnt a 100% safe sweetener. I reckon moderation is the route to go. Moderation in food consumption in general. Especially considering the obesity epidemic in the USA that causes heart disease, diabetes, cancer, high blood pressure, blood clots, immobility, and eventual death as it did in my sisters husband. Not to mention crankiness in Wy. Oh, and an alarming threat to our healthcare system. Another possibility is to use all of the above equally, thus, not receiving a concerning amount from any of them. Remember those poor rats (and other creatures) that Donna mentioned. They were fed mammoth amounts of those sweeteners daily for long periods of time. Not a very reliable test. None of us would ever come close to consuming those amounts of sweeteners. Well, for the time being, Im staying with Splenda. Especially since I just purchased a 2,000 count box of Splenda packets. Stay healthy, John
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[snip] I found Stevia much too sweet.
Donna [/snip] Use less. Keep in mind Stevia is at least ten times sweeter than sugar. Remember also, one packet is pretty much equivelent to two teaspoons of refined sugar. [ADD] Oh, when it comes to Stevia. What ever brand you use, just be sure it contains only the Stevia ingredient and nothing else. As to sugar being toxic...Is it refined or not? That's a huge difference. This page shows the glycemic index of various sweeteners and the site is, IMHO, a great reference site for sweeteners of all types. All things in moderation!
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Yuppers! Love real honey. My aunt was a bee keeper on the farm so we had plenty of it. I really miss that honey fresh from the hives.
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Ah, but Stevita is liquid and you can put in one drop or as many as you want--Very easy to regulate
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Dak, I simply didn't like the aftertaste.
As Wy says, though, the amount is easy to regulate, including the powder form. I used to use 8 drops in a cup of tea.
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And as far as cranky old john--Tests on rats do not necessarily translate to humans--aspartane was also passed from testing , I believe on rats but look what all it caused. Long term effects could og course not even be covered so who knows And as far as no safe sweeteners, Stevia-Stevita has been used in S America, I understand with no bad effects for centuries and tested extensively with no bad effects. There may be some tests that show differently but so far I haven't seen any
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EIGHT drops?? Dang, I use 16 drops in a cuppa coffee--But it's a BIG cup
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I keep honey all the time. I sometimes forget to use it though. I often add it when baking bread also. And Dak is right on the Stevia and Stevita --Some brands add a bunch of stuff to it
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Dak, I simply didn't like the aftertaste.
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Donna If it's pure Stevia the after taste is not too bad and it comes in when too much is used. For me, a 16oz glass of iced tea tastes great with 1/2 of a packet. Any more, and it doesn't take much, I get an aftertaste that, though I don't like it, is better than other artificial sweeteners. I don't normally sweeten my coffee with anything other than milk, half & half or cream, the few times I do the results are the same. That 1/2 packet is the maximum. One other ingredient many Stevia based sweeteners ass is erythritol and it adds an after taste that's worse than straight up Stevia, as do the "other ingredients and natural flavors" some of them add.
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And as far as cranky old john--Tests on rats do not necessarily translate to humans- Wy I believe that's what I stated Wy. Unless I'm in the early stages of Alzheimers. Probably from all the Splenda I consume. Then again, could be Alzheimers on your end from all the botulated honey and moldy sugar cane poisoning that infected you. John
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Alzheimer's must be on your mind, John(I can understand that , since you brought it up--well, get along the best you can John-- it'll all end some day (Well, maybe not ON your mind but IN your mind Honey and sugar are natural--natural--good, Chemically manipulated -bad Most all the sugar I was using must've been going into coffee cause a sack lasts indefinitely now--But it's still all right
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Actually, stevia is a leaf, or an herb, as most plant people would call it. I'm growing it in my yard.
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Yep, Andy,on leaves or herb. You can even get just the ground up leaves with nothing added at all. I understand it has quite a bit of aftertaste that way though. I asked Google about it--Native to central and South America tropical and sub tropical regions up into Mexico and even into Arizona. Been used in Paraguay and another S American country that I've forgotten, for something like 1,500 years. Also been used in Japan for at least decades Heck, I might be able to grow it up here in MidMo indoors or just bring it in come cold weather. I may look into that Thanks Andy Edit Yep, Amazon and Ebay both had it, plants or seeds.Sometimes they call it "Sugar Plant". A little late to put out this year but I think I'll start some in the house this fall
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