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KathyW Serious Contributor Posts: 277 |
Mail Delivery Disruption United States Postal Service mail delivery to the Copyright Office has been disrupted since October 17 due to concerns about anthrax. Below are questions and answers related to the mail stoppage. Why is the mail being delayed? When did disruption to mail delivery begin? When will mail delivery resume? What will happen to my effective date of registration? Can you confirm receipt of my correspondence and registration material? What if I mailed Special Handling requests that have not been received? Will my deposit of a cassette tape, video, or CD be damaged by Postal Service irradiation? Should I send a second copy of my claim and another check? What if I received a mandatory notice from the Copyright Acquisitions Division requiring deposit within 90 days of receipt of the notice?
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Sunny Serious Contributor Posts: 2562 |
Hi Kathy..... Are you by any chance a postal worker or with the copyright office in D.C.? The reason I ask, is because I received the same information, and checked the website for the Copyright Office. It is also posted there. While I was at my post office last week I mentioned this, and was told mail delivery resumed about a month ago. I do not know which information is correct, but no doubt a quick phone call would confirm either way. So, trusting that my postal worker was correct, I have been sending my copyrights in. I use a return receipt, and the post office has not said they can't send them. However, even in the best of times it often takes 3-4 weeks to get the return receipt back. Perhaps a phone call is in order. IP: Logged |
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Ray E. Strode Serious Contributor Posts: 198 |
Generally speaking if you have songs that are ready to file for copyright there is no reason you can't sent them now. Even if they are held up in the mail system because of 911 as soon as they are postmarked at the local post office the copyright date is set even if it takes as much as a year to get back the registration. It takes 4 to six months sometimes to get back the registration under normal conditions. As an added precaution you could have your lyric sheets notarized by a notary public for additional protection. IP: Logged |
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Sunny Serious Contributor Posts: 2562 |
O.K. I called the copyright office this morning, and obviously the postal workers in this burb don't know what they are talking about. The copyright office is still NOT receiving mail. Man, we thought copyright registrations were slow before----how long do you think it'll take them to catch up with this mess?! IP: Logged |
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KathyW Serious Contributor Posts: 277 |
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Liszt Laughing Casual Observer Posts: 15 |
Hello. Regular USPS mail has indeed been delayed indefinately to the Copyright Office. I have taken their advice and sent items twice to the Copyright Office via a 3rd party carrier (UPS), and it has gotten there no problem. Put tracking on and keep your reciepts. In fact, I sent something via UPS in late in November and I got the registration back at the beginning of January! How often does that happen! The following is only opinion, do your own research:
quote: That's true, if you send via UPS or Fed Ex.
quote: Unfortunatly, none of the above is true. The post mark or a notary mark has nothing to do with protecting the legal rights registration provides. The only date that matters is WHEN THE COPYRIGHT OFFICE RECEIVES THE DEPOSIT/FEE/REGISTRATION APPLICATION. They mark the date in their mail room, they DO NOT use the post mark. It says this in the information they have on the web and this has always been the legal standard. As you probably know, the effective registration date (the date when the copyright office receives the application) is very important to retaining certain legal rights. For many published works, some rights are lost if the work is not registered within 3 months of publication. As they say on the web site, if you have sent in a registration since approx. the beginning of October to now by USPS, that mail is stuck in limbo, and the effective registration date will be when the Copyright Office actually recieves that mail, after delivery resumes. What that means is, that your effective registration date maybe past the 3 month window, and thus certain legal rights are lost unless you file for a change in the effective registration date. You can do that after you receive the registration, if you have reciepts for your mailing. SO KEEP YOUR RECEIPTS AND SEND BY UPS OR FED EX FOR NOW. Peace. IP: Logged |
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Ray E. Strode Serious Contributor Posts: 198 |
Hi Lizt Laughing, So far I have copyrighted 47 songs before 911. Each time I have logged the date I sent something for copyright. When my registration forms came back the date I sent the forms was the effective date of registration on the form even tho 3 to 5 months had passed. So the copyright office uses the postmark for effective date of registration or if the can't read it then the date it is received in the copyright office. However since everything is in limbo you may want to do something further to protect your songs in case the postmark on your submission is unreadable when your copyrights are finally registered and things get back to normal. In this case having your lyric sheets notarized is probably all that is needed. The Copyright registration is not an all encompassing protection for a song in case someone else wrote it and they can prove it in a court of law. Of course you can send your material by a special service if it makes you feel better but it isn't needed. It is your money. I just sent three songs for copyright and I am having the lyric sheets notarized as I recommended. In case of some problem in the future a notarized document is additional protection. RES. IP: Logged |
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Liszt Laughing Casual Observer Posts: 15 |
The following is my opinion. Do your own research.
quote: I totally agree with you that the registration is not all encompassing if somebody sues YOU for infringement. So having lyrics notorized or the old send the song to yourself (so it has a post mark) trick is a good idea anytime - to prove your claim of when the song was created (hence copyrighted - BUT NOT REGISTERED). My point in all this is that to protect all of YOUR legal rights TO SUE for infringement, it is absolutly imperative to have a registration on file with the Copyright Office. A registration that has a timely effective registration date in regards to when the work was published, etc. Notorizing especially or post marks are not the legal standard here. The legal standard is WHEN THE COPYRIGHT OFFICE RECEIVES THE DEPOSIT/REGISTRATION/FEE. And the Copyright Office has made it very clear that sending something or having sent something since early or mid-October via USPS may effect your registration date. Again, why hassle with that when you can send via UPS or Fed Ex? Peace. IP: Logged |
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Brian Austin Whitney Bard of the Boards Posts: 1588 |
FYI to all... The "poor man's copyright" of mailing something to yourself is totally useless and should never be used for any real protection. Think of it logically.. I can mail myself and unsealed empty envelope anytime I want and 10 years later put anything I want inside. It has no real legal value. You COULD notorize that it was sealed etc.. but most people think just sending it to yourself is enough. It isn't. Also don't forget. The moment you fix your work to a tangible medium.. it has copyright protection. Registration offers additional and different protections, most of all concerning rights to sue and recovering legal fees etc.. It is very important for you all to LEARN the laws and make decisions based on facts. Never take heresay for truth when the specific facts are available directly from the copyright office or via any number of great books such as John Braheny's Craft and Business of Songwriting. Be careful out there! Brian IP: Logged |
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Liszt Laughing Casual Observer Posts: 15 |
Ok, I deserve that rebuke for bring up the "mail to yourself" trick. That's one of the top 10 lies of the songwriting profession and I was an idiot to bring it up. It's like going to Las Vegas and playing Black Jack and getting 5 cards under and saying "Hey I got five cards under - don't I win!???". That shows the rookie from the professional and it is sure to get a smirk from the dealer. I was just trying to suggest that while notorizing or post marks have no value when registering a work (even if the Copyright office uses the post mark as suggested by posters here - they don't have to and the legal standard again is WHEN THE COPY OFFICE RECIEVES THE DEPOSIT - NOT THE POST MARK), it could concievably be useful to have a date when the work was "fixed in a tangable medium" proved by notorizing (but not by mailing to yourself - as Brian pointed out). This MIGHT be useful to defend a lawsuit or as proof of the claim in your registration, but it certainly does not take the place of copyright registration. ANYWAY, like Brian said, mailing a work to yourself for the post mark has no value, and always register your works. I'll shut up and go away now. IP: Logged |
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Liszt Laughing Casual Observer Posts: 15 |
The following is only my opinion. Do your own research. Ok. I didn't shut up and go away. I called the Copyright Office and I spoke to a real person regarding effective registration dates and post marks, etc. This is what they said: 1) They confirmed my assertion that the law is CLEAR: The effective date of registration is when the Copyright Office RECEIVES ALL THREE ITEMS (Registration/Deposit/Fee) - IT IS NOT THE POSTMARK. 2) They confirmed my earlier statement that items are marked in the Copyright Office mail room with the current date when the items are received in the mail room (thus marking the items with the date received). Now, this is a help desk person, and sometimes you have to take what they say with a grain of salt, but all this makes sense with what the law states. I cannot explain a poster's experience with the effective registation date when he received his registration back being the date he sent in the registration (this making it appear the Copyright Office is using the post mark for the effective registration date), I can only tell you what the law and the Copyright Office itself says. Maybe if I dig a little deeper I would find that the person who actually records the registration has leeway to use the postmark, but I certainly wouldn't rely on that in the face of what the law says, and it certainly didn't sound like that was the case from my conversation with the Copyright Office. Now, knowing those facts, in regards to the USPS mail stoppage to the Copyright Office, that would mean that if something was sent since mid-October via USPS, the effective registration date is going to be when the mail is actually finally delivered. Right now USPS mail to the Copyright Office is being gathered someplace but it is not being delivered. That has all sorts of ramifications for published works, and even for unpublished works, it would seem to be Now I will really shut up and go away. Peace. IP: Logged |
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NateofCA Casual Observer Posts: 3 |
I would like to propose that we all write our congressional reps and try to get them to push the Copyright Office towards setting up capability to register intellectual works via the internet. Here are links for contact info: Senators http://www.senate.gov/senators/index.cfm National Contact Center http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/call/congress.htm#represent. Let's not argue about whether this should happen but rather let's accept this needs to happen as soon as possible. Maybe a better idea is start petitions in each state and send those to the congressional members. I posted a separate topic on this called "Copyright Registration via Internet" . Please locate that if you wish to join a conversation on this issue. IP: Logged |
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