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Ande Rasmussen
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posted 10-11-2004 10:57     Click Here to See the Profile for Ande Rasmussen   Click Here to Email Ande Rasmussen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey guys,

Below is my letter the editor about a songwriting article I stumbled upon.

Do you agree or disagree with me about this particular contest?

what's interesting is when I googled the contest's address I discovered it was the same address as a houston songwriter who did well in the john lennon song contest a few years ago.

I guess he came to the conclusion that the people who really make money in song contests are song contest organizers.

So he created his own contest, and attached it to VH1's "save the music" program to create credibility.

I believe that with most large song contests, most of the entrants are wasting their time and money. Though I would add if a person is one of the few who do well, a win may help their music careers. A friend of mine has won grand prize in the John Lennon Song contest twice. The first time it helped his band get a deal with capitol records. They also chose to decline the $5,000 publishing offer from EMI, which wound up being a very wise decision.

Ande Rasmussen

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here's my letter to the editor:

hello brian,

I stumbled upon your article
"In tune with success: Songwriter honored in VH1 contest"

I really don't want to steal any of Angel Marie Moll's thunder, but I don't beleive the Song of the Year contest (SOTY) is an official VH1 contest as your article portrays it to be. I believe the SOTY contest creators attached themselves to VH1 to create credibility. They are doing this by claiming they are going to donate an unspecified portion of their proceeds to VH1's "Save the Music" non profit. This misleads people into thinking it's something VH1 is doing.

Ande Rasmussen

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here's the article:

In tune with success: Songwriter honored in VH1 contest

By Brian Eastwood / News Staff Writer
Saturday, October 2, 2004

BELLINGHAM -- When Angel Marie Moll was 17, she began writing poems and dreaming of a future as a singer/songwriter.

Unsure if that was the right path to follow, the Milford native never got an agent or the financial backing necessary to make it big. The dream was postponed further when Moll's mother died when she was 24 and again when she had children of her own.

"Their dreams and everything for them come first," she said.

Twenty-four years later, Moll's own dream has been rekindled.

Moll received an honorable mention in VH1's "Song of the Year" contest, a monthly competition that has drawn submissions from around the world. She was recognized for one song in July and awaits word on four other songs she has submitted.

One winner and four finalists in each of nine music genres are chosen each month. Moll was one of about 75 contestants to earn an honorable mention in July, according to the contest's Web site, www.songoftheyear.com. Honorable mentions include all nine categories.

The top prize in the contest is a songwriting contract with the music company BMG.

"If something comes up with it, great. If not, it's (still) something I love to do," said Moll, who lives in Bellingham with her husband David and two children. "Right now, I'm on cloud nine. This is the coolest thing that ever happened to me."

The song that earned an honorable mention, "My Heart on a Page," was inspired by Moll's father, William Kelley Sr. Kelley had a heart attack in January and is being treated in the spinal care unit at the West Roxbury VA Medical Center.

When Moll was growing up, her father listened to country singers Johnny Cash and Loretta Lynn and watched the show "Hee Haw." He often sang as he worked around the house, she said.

Moll still has a taste for country and listed Shania Twain, Faith Hill and Martina McBride as her favorite contemporary artists.

"I still like the heart-wrenching songs that tell a story," Moll said. "I think lyrics are just a way of expressing your soul."

In the early 80s, while most of her friends were listening to U2 and R.E.M., Moll adored Barbra Streisand, whose songs inspired Moll to try songwriting. A picture of Streisand still hangs in Moll's living room, between the television set and the computer.

Moll's mother, Margaret Calcagni-Kelley, also encouraged her to pursue her passion for writing.

"My mother always had a great way of saying things," Moll said. "She's like my soul. She knew me better than anyone."

Moll's current inspiration is her two children, 11-year-old Sydney and 3-year-old Nicholas.

Her daughter, who competes in modeling pageants, aspires to be a lawyer but also shares Moll's talent.

"Even though we're so different, creatively we're a lot alike," Moll said.

Nicholas was born with holoproscencephaly, a birth defect that prevents the brain from forming correctly, and diabetes insipidus, which is caused by the kidney's inability to conserve water.

Moll said her son is her hero.

"He teaches me how to truly live life," she said. "Knowing what he has and not knowing what the future brings, you value things in a different way."

Moll quit working three years ago to stay home and take care of Nicholas full time. As a result, she is also writing all the time.

Moll has published more than 100 poems on the Web site poetry.com and was named a merit poet by the International Society of Poets, which is affiliated with the Web site.

Through services offered by the society, several of her poems appear on laminated, wallet-size cards, while others are on greeting cards.

In addition, Moll has also sent a copy of a children's book to publisher Simon & Schuster.

"You just have to wait and see. It's sort of a waiting game," she said. "Even if you think you have what it takes, there are a thousand other people who feel the same way."

Although the VH1 "Song of the Year" contest has similar long odds, Moll said she is happy to have been acknowledged at all.

With her work going before a judging panel that includes Grammy award winning producers, executives and musicians, Moll said she is also hopeful of an opportunity to gain exposure for her writing.

"You're being critiqued and you're being judged by people who are the best in the business," she said. "To me, that's an honor

( Brian Eastwood can be reached at 508-634-7505 or beastwoo@cnc.com. )

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R.T.MOORE
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posted 10-11-2004 12:35     Click Here to See the Profile for R.T.MOORE   Click Here to Email R.T.MOORE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ande I'm so afraid you're right. I entered 3 songs. One in February, one in May and one in June! I hesitate to enter any more because of the outcome! My first entry in the month of February was a finalist in the Rock category. ("SHE") That was one place away from the winning song in that month and so was said to have been pushed to publishers. GEEEEEEEEEEEEE was I excited. (have not heard a thing) Never the less I entered another song in May. It was given Honorable Mention...........GEEEEE I was excited! I entered my 3rd (and probably last) song in June...RUNNER UP! G...I was excited! God Bless you Angel Marie Moll! I hope better things happen to you than have happened to me because of The Song of the Year Contest!

C Ya Ande
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tialyn
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posted 10-14-2004 10:02     Click Here to See the Profile for tialyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just got honorable mention in the lyric category. I'm like you hoping but realistic. Nothing wrong with hope i guess. Tia

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NikkiM
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posted 12-04-2004 20:14     Click Here to See the Profile for NikkiM   Click Here to Email NikkiM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I entered the contest in June and didnt get announced as a suggested artists, honorable mention, or runner up. However, I am a new songwriter and it didnt surprise me. The Song of the Year critiques were useful though and they made good honest points on how to make my song better.

A friend of mine as a was a Finalist and Song of the Year send her material to a bunch of people. From that, she has had 4 call backs from people either wanting to record her song or publish it. She is actually waiting on 2 of the publishers seeing which one looks best.

I have to say, even if she didnt win but was a finalist, her being a finalist did help her a lot in getting her material out there. I heard an interview on XM Radio with a Song of the Year winner a few months ago that attributed a lot of his success to the contest as well. Even though I didnt do that well personally, I am definately going to enter again when I get better recordings. Ive heard enough good outcomes for people who submitted.

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Wirdaz
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posted 12-07-2004 14:19     Click Here to See the Profile for Wirdaz   Click Here to Email Wirdaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Howdy Ande.... wouldn't it have been easier to write to VH1 and ask them? You write to the promoter and what are they going to say... If they are what you think they are they'll most likely lie... if not they'll tell the truth.... either way you'll get the same answer and base the truth of it on your opinion of them.... and you're no better off.

I would suggest contacting VH1 and find out if they are associated and also if any donations have been made. Song comps are a great way to make money for the promoter and there are many scammers out there but they do look good on the resume.

JMO

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Kenny Holcomb
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posted 01-03-2005 04:02     Click Here to See the Profile for Kenny Holcomb   Click Here to Email Kenny Holcomb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I entered the contest and won finalist for the month of July, but I agree I think it is a bit of a hoaks to portray themselves as associated with vh1. Still waiting to hear from music industry contacts. Oh well maybe next time.

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Ande Rasmussen
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posted 02-12-2005 11:22     Click Here to See the Profile for Ande Rasmussen   Click Here to Email Ande Rasmussen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here's a recent mention in broadjam.com's newsletter and my letter to the editor

ande

In a message dated
2/12/05 3:02:21 AM Central Standard Time,
newsletter@broadjam.com writes:

ARTIST: Jenna Drey
Miami, Florida

Featured Song: Shadow of a Stranger
It has been an interesting journey for the pop singer/songwriter Jenna Drey, whose first single was recently produced by the legendary Nile Rodgers. With over a three-octave vocal range, Jenna soars over pop melodies with the sensual yet silky voice that has been compared to the greatest female singers. Her music would be classified as Hot A/C, but many of her songs have been remixed into dance songs too.

In May 2003, Jenna began submitting songs for review on Broadjam and also started using the TAXI submission tool. That summer her song "Why Should I Believe You" went to #1 on Broadjam and stayed in the Top 10s for three months. During that time "Stand in Line" also hit the Top 10 Charts. Through Broadjam, Jenna submitted to the Dallas Songwriters Contest and in November 2003 "Stand in Line" was announced as the Grand Prize Winner. That December Emanon Records (distributed through Universal) offered Jenna a record deal.

In January 2004, Jenna won first place in the January VH-1 sponsored “Song of the Year” contest. That February Jenna discovered METAJAM, which her publicist now uses to create press releases and promo materials, track gigs and appearances, and manage Jenna's portfolio on Broadjam. Jenna signed her recording contract with Emanon in March of 2004 and her first album, "Just Like That," was released last September. The album was produced by two-time Grammy winner Nile Rodgers (Madonna, Diana Ross, David Bowie, Eric Clapton, etc) and Kevin Churko (Shania Twain). Jenna is managed by David Frangioni (Aerosmith).

Click to visit Jenna Drey's Artist Profile Page.

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hello,

in your latest newsletter in Jenna Drey's article you wrote:
"In January 2004, Jenna won first place in the January VH-1 sponsored “Song of the Year” contest."

I don't want to steal any of Jenna's much deserved thunder but
the "song of the year contest" is NOT a VH1 song contest.

the "song of the year contest" claims to give a portion of their proceeds to VH1's
save the music foundation. that contest is not sponsored by VH1 and was not created by VH1. But I believe it was purposely designed that way to mislead people into thinking that it is and to add misleading credibility.

when you google the contests address
you'll discover it is shared with Bryan Bryant from Houston
http://www.bryanbryant.com/
My guess is Bryan created the the song of the year contest.
He figured out that song contest creators can make much more money than those who enter song contests.

when you go to VH1.com and do a search for
vh1 song contest
you'll find the following
Your Search For "vh1 song contest" yielded no results

Ande Rasmussen

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I saw the dialog on here and thought I would make my two cents known. Ive entered a lot of contests and ive checked out Song of the Year. I didnt see anywhere indicated on the site that says they are the "VH1 Song Contest". I saw that they do support the Save the Music foundation. I have a friend in the music industry and wanted to see if they really made a contribution to the foundation and it appears that they did.

Now I am not familiar with that guy you said may have started the contest however consider this. Do you know DAS Ventures which involves a guy named Rothchild that started the John Lennon Contest? The billboard contest is a small family owned group of guys in Oklahoma somewhere that Billboard allowed them to use their name. They are not connect to Billboard charts though. Unisong and Windrift contests are also just simple contests that someone started that no one knows.

Im not defending Song of the Year since I really dont know much about them. Having said that, I dont know how anyone knows much about any of the contests. Though I do appreciate any contest supporting a charity.

I think overall, contests are good for the top winners and not so good for the non-winners. I suppose I understand the disappointment from you guys that didnt actually win the contest (ive been there) but thats the nature of a contest. There are a few winners and a lot of people who dont win.

Just my thoughts. I dont know if I will ever enter a contest again but if I did I think I would give Song of the Year a shot.

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Ande Rasmussen
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posted 03-01-2005 16:36     Click Here to See the Profile for Ande Rasmussen   Click Here to Email Ande Rasmussen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some people are saying that the
“Song of the Year” contest is the

the VH-1 sponsored “Song of the Year” contest

The song of the year contest makes an undisclosed donation to to VH-1's Save the Music Foundation.

Ande

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Hey guys! I saw this board and wanted to say something real quick. After seeing the postings on the song of the year contest, I had my brother-in-law look into it. He is very resourceful. He talked to the VH1 people and it does appear that the song contest does give money to the save the music foundation. He also found a link under "help" from the Song of the Year web site that actually has a sample document for proof that they donated money. So it appears that contest is cool. That Brian guy's connection is apparently just his old booking agent's address information. His old management company had a similar address because they were involved in the contest as judges or something. I think Brian's music manager had something to do with the contest when it first started. The address on his site was actually for booking information for his agent. I may just have to hit them up for a management deal! Ha Ha.

Uni Song contest is cool too and Windrift has been one of my fav contests. They seem credible and I would definately considering entering them as well as song of the year. The International contest has way too many entries. The Lennon one in my opinion is not that great through. Their judges have declined over the years and honestly i really dont like their winning songs. Any ways, good meeting you guys. Im new here but I definately like meeting others involved in music I really dig these boards. They are very helpful.

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Making an undisclosed donation is very misleading. They use the name "VH1" to give them credibility. If a terrorist group also made a donation to "VH1" would it be okay for them to imply "VH1" was involved in their group as well? Unless the people from "VH1" are actually involved in the contest beyond receiving an undisclosed donation, it's just marketing hype that makes people think maybe they are going to be on TV or something. Ack.

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wearelistening
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posted 04-23-2006 09:07     Click Here to See the Profile for wearelistening   Click Here to Email wearelistening     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VH-1 is a huge brand and I imagine that, assuming the relationship is legitimate, they would be very careful about the use of their name in association with anything.

Working with such a brand, from my experience, warrants a rigorous screening process.

This contest has done well to partner with VH-1. As with all things concerning the exchange of money, it is up to the 'customer' to research the transaction and the company to protect its name so they don't lose 'customers' in the future.

From what I have read here, it seems that this contest is in good standing... but I will have a look for myself too.

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posted 04-23-2006 13:41     Click Here to See the Profile for Brian Austin Whitney   Click Here to Email Brian Austin Whitney     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lior,

I'd be careful who you support. The company in question, beyond misleading people with their connection with VH1, also is among the worst and most relentless spammers in the industry. It doesn't support your own credibility to go on record saying they are legit.

Brian

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What's been confusing me for the last year about the vh1 'contest', is that I've known 3 local songwriters who have entered, and none of them has ever gotten anything worse than an 'honorable mention'...So they keep entering(along with 'fee'),,,it reminds me of my mother who was a serious lottery player, but never more than $5 per week, but it's like she had a 'jones' bacause every now and then she'd get a little payback....At least vh1 hasn't gone the Shark route to where people get sucked into mortgaging their huose for a 'contract'...

Midnite

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Originally posted by Brian Austin Whitney:
Lior,

I'd be careful who you support. The company in question, beyond misleading people with their connection with VH1, also is among the worst and most relentless spammers in the industry. It doesn't support your own credibility to go on record saying they are legit.

Brian


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posted 04-29-2006 07:08     Click Here to See the Profile for wearelistening   Click Here to Email wearelistening     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Brain,

I do not support this contest. Beyond what I have read here, I know nothing about them. I also don't know whether their relationship with VH1 is legitimate or not.

Lior
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posted 04-29-2006 07:10     Click Here to See the Profile for wearelistening   Click Here to Email wearelistening     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Woops... I meant Brian

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Ande Rasmussen
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posted 05-02-2006 10:36     Click Here to See the Profile for Ande Rasmussen   Click Here to Email Ande Rasmussen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello,

I don't believe the contest has officially partnered with VH1 Save the Music.

Here's the list of VH1 Save the Music sponsors
http://www.vh1.com/partners/save_the_music

here's a list of donors
http://www.vh1.com/partners/save_the_music/who_we_are/supporters.html

This contest just declared that they are going to give a portion of to VH1 save the music.

which is great.

the problem is this contest is designed in such a way to lead people into believing it is the VH1 Song Contest.

Which it is not.

Also when songwriters win something in this contest some have launched PR, gotten press, or added to their bios calling it "the VH1 song contest."

It's just misleading, creating the appearance that the contest is a bigger deal than it really is.

Song Contests are all about making money for the host organization.

At some point songwriters need to quit entering contests and concentrate on getting cuts and getting their songs used in TV and film.

ande

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Originally posted by wearelistening:
VH-1 is a huge brand and I imagine that, assuming the relationship is legitimate, they would be very careful about the use of their name in association with anything.

Working with such a brand, from my experience, warrants a rigorous screening process.

This contest has done well to partner with VH-1. As with all things concerning the exchange of money, it is up to the 'customer' to research the transaction and the company to protect its name so they don't lose 'customers' in the future.

From what I have read here, it seems that this contest is in good standing... but I will have a look for myself too.

Lior Shamir
Managing Director
We Are Listening
www.wearelistening.org


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