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Ande Rasmussen Serious Contributor Posts: 612 |
posted 02-10-2005 17:09
   
What's with this recent rash of SONGS FOR SALE postings? Hate to po po things, but it's a good way to say, I'm a beginner. I don't know how the music industry works. I'm poor and I want someone to anyone have any comments about selling songs? Ande ------------------ Editor Of "Inspirations for Songwriters" IP: Logged |
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Graham Serious Contributor Posts: 11106 |
posted 02-10-2005 17:16
Not a lot except you said it good enough for me Ande. Graham ------------------ IP: Logged |
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John Scott Serious Contributor Posts: 273 |
posted 02-10-2005 17:55
ditto ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Diane E Serious Contributor Posts: 398 |
posted 02-10-2005 18:06
I'm glad you brought it up, Ande. I can't imagine why anyone would try to sell songs and lyrics on a board that is inhabited by songwriters and lyricists. Go figure! Diane IP: Logged |
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roxhythe Serious Contributor Posts: 978 |
posted 02-10-2005 18:26
Hey, my songs are for sale, too. I just figured no other songwriter would be wanting to buy 'em. You've all got your own stuff for sale... Joe IP: Logged |
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kc Serious Contributor Posts: 291 |
posted 02-10-2005 19:33
I almost posted this same question. Is there a new book they are reading or are they really misinformed? Good ask Ande! IP: Logged |
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JL Serious Contributor Posts: 677 |
posted 02-10-2005 19:46
I saw that kind of post on another forum, too. It was like, I'm a great songwriter and I can write a song about any topic, just let me know what you need. And I was thinking, why would someone post that to a bunch of songwriters? Makes no sense. --Jean IP: Logged |
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kc Serious Contributor Posts: 291 |
posted 02-10-2005 20:08
It is funny that thre are so many of the same " FOR SALE" posts, this close together. Kinda' reminds me of the Willie and Faron Young (I think) story, where Willie wanted to sell a song to him for probably enough to survive a couple of days but Faron, being a true friend and evidently a great ear for a hit would'nt buy it for the mere 50 bucks but would loan him more than that (again I THINK ) 500 Of'em and it went on to be A BIG'N !! Funny story how he got paid back too! Once again "teach a Guy to Fish" story. BTW I've enjoyed IFS ! IP: Logged |
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Louis Serious Contributor Posts: 292 |
posted 02-10-2005 20:40
Rod whats-his-name from the old 1Sound has a new site up, which is an auction house for songwriters wanting to sell their songs. I don't have the url . Maybe these postings have something to do with it. I'll go look for the url. IP: Logged |
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Louis Serious Contributor Posts: 292 |
posted 02-10-2005 20:42
found it here's the URL for all the people wishing to sell their soul. lol IP: Logged |
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Brian Austin Whitney Bard of the Boards Posts: 5717 |
posted 02-10-2005 20:56
If you guys think YOU see a lot of these emails/posts, I get a couple a day most of the time. I try to nicely explain how things work and refer them to read The Craft and Business of Songwriting to get a nice basic education on how it all works. Usually either they never respond, ignore my advice and come here and post the same request, or send me a nasty note back saying they are the greatest writer ever and their family/friends have told them they can get rich from selling their songs or, most sadly, some scam artist in Nashville or elsewhere told them this was how things worked and if they spent money on a great demo that they could then sell the song for a lot of money. Ack. There's been a serious rash of scam artist/demo makers popping up here. THAT is a real problem and I hope all of you continue to help debunk these scumbags. All you can do is try to reach the reasonable people. Some people refuse to listen to the truth no matter how obvious it is. I used to try and "save" all those folks, but after many years and a non stop stream of the same old thing, I do what I can to help those who will listen and then move on to someone else who might actually be helped and let the closed minded and deluded folks learn for themselves the hard way. Sometimes that's simply the only way they ever WILL learn. (And often, even after being scammed, they STILL refused to learn). Brian [This message has been edited by Brian Austin Whitney (edited 02-10-2005).] IP: Logged |
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TheBaz Serious Contributor Posts: 315 |
posted 02-10-2005 23:48
quote: Man, I haven't heard the word "scumbag" in a really long time! I also think "scumbucket" has a nice ring. Baz / Erik IP: Logged |
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Wirdaz Lord of this Board Posts: 2641 |
posted 02-11-2005 15:50
I tend to think that the others copy catted the first post... based on the age old.. it costs nothing to try and hey ya never know. But Ande has it right! IP: Logged |
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B. Holland Casual Observer Posts: 5 |
posted 02-12-2005 01:28
auctionsongs.com Ha! I just clicked on that site...kind of an ebay where everything is overpriced and there is not a single bid on anything on the entire site. IP: Logged |
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darby Serious Contributor Posts: 165 |
posted 02-12-2005 08:48
I’m always looking for a good song to record on a CD. A good song can go a long way in helping sell an album. I’m a songwriter, but I’m not consistently good enough, prolifically enough, to supply all of the songs for a full album myself. When I find a song I’m very fond of, I’ll perform it live for at least a few dozen shows. Usually, by the time I’m ready to record, I’ll have made changes. I’ll get permission from the writer to make the changes, (taking none of the credit for myself), and to record the song. What I pay is the mechanical. Never a drop more. After all, I’m recording the song on at least 2,000 units to start a test market, I’m hammering radio play, soliciting reviews and generating as much publicity as I can. I would pay a songwriter to hold the song, to let me be the first to record it, exclusively, and I would pay significantly above the mechanical, if I thought the song was so good it would make me a billionaire. But I’ve never heard a song that good that I didn’t write. The first place I go to find a song I have not written myself is the songwriter’s showcases sponsored by groups like the JPF. These boards are a wonderful resource. But I am not willing to go through 26,000 songs. I don’t have that kind of time. So I practice the rules of exclusion. I know what I don’t want to waste my time on. The first rule of exclusion is basic grammar and punctuation. If you are unable to find room in your statement for a comma or a period, you are not a credible communicator and I won’t even read your lyric. I don’t want to work that hard. I expect that I you post a lyric on this board you are looking for three things: helpful critique, honest review, exposure. When I find a song on the JPF boards that I’m very fond of, I expect that the author is either currently recording the song for market, (in which case I can record his song without his permission after it is published), or is willing to let me record it. One need not advertise that his songs are for sale. Darby IP: Logged |
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Ande Rasmussen Serious Contributor Posts: 612 |
posted 02-12-2005 10:50
Well put Darby and Brian! Thanks to everyone who's added to this thread. I think we're on the same page. ------------------ Editor Of "Inspirations for Songwriters" IP: Logged |
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Ande Rasmussen Serious Contributor Posts: 612 |
posted 02-14-2005 16:46
song auction auction sites are in the same boat. ande IP: Logged |
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Graham Serious Contributor Posts: 11106 |
posted 02-14-2005 17:57
I believe those are fair terms Darby. It is the way I have done all my cuts. I think the best part of the sweetener thing is, that the first to want to record does have to get approval from the owner to do so. That does mean the owner decides who is the launch pad. I don't see why a writer would want a premium from an artist they believed could get their song out there good enough so others may follow suit when it comes cover time. On the other hand, if the writer was just looking at instant earnings, and didn't think the artist was going to generate anything wonderful, a bit extra up front could be a good tool to have. Graham ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Brian Austin Whitney Bard of the Boards Posts: 5717 |
posted 02-15-2005 06:20
now we have some dude on here promoting his site that sells songs. I am starting to think all these posts are the same person just stirring stuff up. I hope there aren't this many stupid people out there. Brian IP: Logged |
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Ande Rasmussen Serious Contributor Posts: 612 |
posted 08-22-2005 13:13
bump ------------------ http://www.MySpace.com/anders Editor Of "Inspirations for Songwriters" IP: Logged |
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roxhythe Serious Contributor Posts: 978 |
posted 08-22-2005 14:40
Folks: I figured out when I first joined JPF that there was no point in trying to sell my songs here. *Everybody* had songs to sell--why in the world would they want mine? The guys and gals who are making the sales pitches just haven't read far enough (or maybe haven't absorbed what they've read). What I expected to get out of this group (and have, for the most part) is tips on *how to do it*. That's why I went back to performing after a 20-plus-year hiatus--nobody's going (for the most part) to hear my stuff unless they hear it from me. I've pretty much come to the same conclusion about recordings: if I want people to buy a CD with my songs on it, they're going to have to get it from me 'cause nobody else is going to do it. 'Sokay--it's an opportunity to learn more stuff. Ditto for the music video I mentioned in another thread. I have on occasion got requests from people wanting permission to *perform* songs I've written, and I always do that (at least thus far)--the people who are doing it aren't making a lot of money at it, and their performing it means I got a little more exposure. Only one of those requests came from here; the rest were all the result of my performing in various venues. Otherwise? Sure, you can market your coal in Newcastle. Just don't expect a lot of sales... Joe IP: Logged |
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AKA Wordsmith Serious Contributor Posts: 165 |
posted 08-22-2005 14:50
The more things change, the more they stay the same. IP: Logged |
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Ande Rasmussen Serious Contributor Posts: 612 |
posted 08-22-2005 15:00
People and companies do BUY songs in the form of publishing company song catalogs of current and prior cuts and hits that are still receiving royalites. They look at it as a financial transaction, Like if Diane Warren decided to sell her publishing to Sony or If the remaining portion of Jobete was up for sale. The problem is people are wanting to sell songs with annual revs of ZERO Like a few years ago Hamstein got bought out by Mosiac. I'm sure it fetched a many pretty pennies. ande IP: Logged |
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Wyman Lloyd Serious Contributor Posts: 1558 |
posted 08-22-2005 18:31
I went to one of those sites, oh, maybe 3 or 4 years ago when I was even dumber than I am now, just to see what was there and even then I didn't see anything that impressed me as "worth" spending money for and it'd take a lot more to impress me now. Hey Baz---------- Scumbag and scumbucket--Sounds like a fun song in there somewhere. I think I'll attempt one. Maybe this gal is talking to this guy who cheated on her or sonething <G> Wy IP: Logged |
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