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flatlandsmedia
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posted 04-12-2005 03:42     Click Here to See the Profile for flatlandsmedia   Click Here to Email flatlandsmedia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was in a local music shop today and spotted a Squier Telecaster that really caught my eye. I'm considering going back and trying the guitar out and maybe buying it.

But I was a bit discouraged to learn that it's a Squier Tele and not a true Fender.

So, I'm just wondering. Is it widely considered that most Squier instruments are just cheap, entry-level or mid-level products? Or do they have some actual quality behind them? Would any of you guitar slingers out there be embarrassed to show up at a gig with a Squier in your hands?

-Shawn

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Sharpe Lurker
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posted 04-12-2005 10:54     Click Here to See the Profile for Sharpe Lurker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Would any of you guitar slingers out there be embarrassed to show up at a gig with a Squier in your hands?"

Shawn,
Just got through checking out "Squire" versus "Fender" products...

The Squire Teles were averaging @$170-$230 each brand new...

Fender Teles start at @$300 and up brand new.

Here is a link:

http://www.music123.com/Fender-Standard-Telecaster-i148110.music

I briefly read the reviews for the Squire series. The owners seem satisfied for the most part... a couple of them said they upgraded the tuners right away.

As for taking a Squire to a gig or jam session... if it were the only guitar I had in the world I would bring it... but I would not expect anyone who routinely drops say between $1,000-$5,000 on a guitar to be impressed at all. But it all goes back to how well the guitarist plays not the guitar itself that matters.

If your heart is set on a Fender Tele hold off until you can get one. If you like tinkering and collecting guitars go ahead and get the Squire to start jamming with it.

Hope this helps!

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TonyW
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posted 04-12-2005 11:47     Click Here to See the Profile for TonyW     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Shawn, in addition to Sharpes good advice, I'll add this.........

IMO, if you are going for a bargain price guitar, spend a day visiting every pawn shop and music store you can. You may find a tele standard (mexico) for the price of a new squire.

A friend of mine owns a carvin tele style guitar, and frankly, it sounds better than any fender tele I've heard. His has the ash body option. You can check them out here....
http://www.carvin.com/products/guitar.php?ItemNumber=TL60

....... you don't see many carvins in pawn shops.....there is a reason for that.

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posted 04-12-2005 16:53     Click Here to See the Profile for Whitesides   Click Here to Email Whitesides     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Squire is a cheap fender knockoff that I think is now made in China.

If you had a 100 to play through, you might find a diamond in the rough. But chances are pretty good that it's not the quality of guitar that fender used to be known for.

The mexican or even the USA ones are usually much better in terms of build and components.

As others have said, if you're doing a gig with another player that doesn't think twice about dropping $1,000 or more on a guitar, they won't think about your choice much. But then I've met players that play on really crappy equipment who can run circles around people with mega expensive stuff. To top it off, my first guitar was a Squire, long before they were made in China. I've completely rebuilt and replaced everything but the body and custom painted it. It's been on more records than I have because it sounds so damn good recorded, that people like to borrow it. But remember, the only thing still Squire on it is the body.

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flatlandsmedia
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posted 04-13-2005 02:08     Click Here to See the Profile for flatlandsmedia   Click Here to Email flatlandsmedia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the responses, everyone. I actually already own a true Fender Telecaster, and I love it. But there was something about that Squier (or is it "Squire?") that caught my attention. It's got a really cool body style, and it's also got a humbucker in the bridge.

I'm still thinking of checking it out. But it probably won't happen, as it looks like I may have some surprise home repair expenses to cover. Regardless, if I do check out the guitar, I'll post back here.

-Shawn

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posted 04-13-2005 02:47     Click Here to See the Profile for Sharpe Lurker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello,

You are entirely right on the spelling... it is Squier instead of how I spelled it as Squire.

http://www.music123.com/Solid-Body-Electric-Guitars-6-String-Squier-b198d2956.music

I try to spell things correctly... so the speed readers can breeze right along... at times I see where I still manage to get words spelled wrong. sorry

Also noticed on the Fender Tele listing the lowest is now at @$370... they sold that B-stock one they had already. The highest Tele is @$4,400 for a Merle Haggard signature model:

http://www.music123.com/Fender-Merle-Haggard-Tribute-Tele-i64921.music

Later,
S.L.

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posted 04-15-2005 10:33     Click Here to See the Profile for ragster   Click Here to Email ragster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It depends which Squier it is. If it's new, I hear they're not all that great.

Older Squiers are miles better. At first they were made in Japan, which is where the standard Fenders are made now, I believe.

I have a Jap Squier Precision bass c.1980 and it's very nice. plays very well. Lighter than a pukka Fender but that's preferable in my opinion.

I don't know about the years inbetween though...

My instinct would be to go for a Tokai or a Carvin as was suggested. There are also cheaper brands that offer much better quality and sound than Fender, let alone Squier. For instance, Eko are back in business and making some good guitars.

I found it's really worth checking out the Harmony Central reviews when you're looking to buy.

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posted 04-19-2005 18:32     Click Here to See the Profile for rdrake   Click Here to Email rdrake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've had a Squier for about 9 years now. I upgraded the pickups. I went to Musiciansfriend.com and got the best Fender pickups. The guitar sounds really good. If you're worried about the name, put a sticker over it. Few people will know the difference, especially if you have a good amp and pedals.

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posted 06-14-2005 09:53     Click Here to See the Profile for PopTodd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got a 1988 Squier Strat for my H.S. graduation, in 1988. Yeah, it's Jap-built, and it's a DAMN good guitar.

I have switched out the bridge pickup (got a chandler "Hot Rails" and coil-splitter switch), blocked the crappy Fender locking whammy bar, and replaced the bone nut with graphite (the original got chipped back in '91).

But it's not all those mods that make "Susan" my main squeeze, it's the neck and the feel of it. The damn thing might as well be a '58 Strat, as far as I'm concerned, because there is nothing that's gonan replace it.

If you can get your hands on a 1980's, Jap-built Squier... GET IT! It's a damn good guitar, for any price. But especially what you can get 'em for.

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Marty Helly
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posted 06-14-2005 16:26     Click Here to See the Profile for Marty Helly   Click Here to Email Marty Helly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My advice on any guitar is just sit down and play it. If it feels good, sounds good, and is reasonably priced, then buy it. If it can't stay in tune, has no tone, a warped neck, uneven frets - don't buy it at any price... unless you plan on using it for a bonfire.

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posted 06-17-2005 17:43     Click Here to See the Profile for Raven   Click Here to Email Raven     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Marty, but here is a little direction.

Most of your PAC rim guitars are coming out of the same couple of factories

I would play J Tursor, Indiana,New York Pro, Lotus or Johnson before the name brand (Ibanez,Fender/Squire, Epiphone) as they are coming out of the same factories and the names you don't recognize will usually be considerably cheaper and come with better warranties.

I have recently played some Chinese guitars that really suprised me on all levels, from playability to electronics.

BTW I work for a guitar importer and I know what I am talking about as far as the factories go. (I've seen pictures)

Peace and good luck

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PopTodd
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posted 07-27-2005 11:13     Click Here to See the Profile for PopTodd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Me and "Susan", my '88 Squier Strat:

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swain
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posted 08-11-2005 15:44     Click Here to See the Profile for swain   Click Here to Email swain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you are talking about the “Squire 51” Humbucker with coil tap. Strat body with kind of a P bass pick guard.

I have one, and a Les Paul jr.

I play the Squire almost all the time. It slices dices and makes mounds of Julian fries. I love it, won’t part with it. If you play Roots rock/blues/country/Be bop ect it’s a killer ax.

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ninja.a.gogo
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posted 08-15-2005 12:22     Click Here to See the Profile for ninja.a.gogo   Click Here to Email ninja.a.gogo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I own a 2005 Fender Mexican Strat, and I used to own a 2000 Squier Strat. No comparison, the Squier is a cheap knockoff. The Mexican strat, and the rest of the Fender line, are amazing. The Squier are not good, but for the money they're meh. Personally, and from a musician's perspective, save up and get something. A good Jackson isn't that far off (guitartrader.com lists a JS1 at $200.)

And the guy who said check pawn shops is right.

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posted 08-16-2005 00:32     Click Here to See the Profile for My Name?   Click Here to Email My Name?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Squires are no doubt quality.
But I wonder why they are so damn expensive?

Matt

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Jason Wilber
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posted 09-06-2005 21:01     Click Here to See the Profile for Jason Wilber   Click Here to Email Jason Wilber     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Shawn,

For what it's worth, I was in a band for a while with a fantastic guitar player named Larry Crane, he played guitar for John Mellancamp for many years. The "Jack & Diane" and "Play Guitar" riffs are all him. Truly a great rhythm guitarist. Anyway, when I was working with him he played a Fender Squire tele 90% of the time and he sounded fantastic.

One disclaimer, this was an older Squire (late 80's or early 90's maybe) and probably came from the Orient somewhere. I don't know about the quality of the newer ones, but my point is, don't rule it out just because of the name on the headstock.

Good luck!

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posted 09-17-2005 13:08     Click Here to See the Profile for Liszt Laughing   Click Here to Email Liszt Laughing     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If Larry Crane played one, that's the bomb!

I have one of the newer ones (like 1996-1999 or so) that my sister gave me after she won some radio station contest. It's a very quality guitar...very surprising actually - none of the intonation problems/bad chords in places on the neck you usually get from less expensive guitars. I can't imagine as far as playablity it's any different than the real thing.

You know a really wierd/interesting thing...I went to Fan Fair in Nashville for 5 years straight or so during the Garth BOOM years. I went to several shows every evening at the Grand Ole Opery that involved short sets by 10-15 artists. To a man (don't remember any women), every last one of the lead guitar players for each artist had a Fender Telecaster (and a few could have been Squires, not sure). I mean, EVERY lead guitar player had a tele....I kept looking for someone to bring out something different and they never did...talk about herd mentality...hahahah...

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Well, as far as cost, I've been seeing some Squiers costing up as much as lower-cost Fenders, which is interesting.

By the way, I have a $100 Squier acoustic that stays perfectly in tune, even when I use a capo. Which is more than I can say for my $400 Dean!

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posted 10-20-2005 13:13     Click Here to See the Profile for Chris Maurer   Click Here to Email Chris Maurer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Mexican Strat and Telly they are both exccelant guitars if you would go for a Squire why not go a few dollars more for a Mex?There is nothing wrong with a Squire. I palyed a American Strat at a open mike and it sucked both in action and sound but it had clearly been around the horn.

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I agree with Chris regarding Fender's "Standard" line; the best bang for your buck in a quality instrument.
I play guitar as a second instrument.
Have had a 57' les Paul Junior, a 70's Telecaster, a 59' Gibson L6S, a brand new purple Ibanez RG560, and even a Fender Roadhouse Strat.
I replaced these one by one, and settled on a Standard Strat- Midnight Wine with a Maple neck.
Other than the Ibanez, this guitar plays the best! The sound is comparable to that Roudhouse Strat.
All of the parts including the bodies and necks are made in the California plant/USA, and assembled in Mexico.
This guitar is flawless in construction, finish, and sound.
I paid $299 at Guitar Center in 93'- no case.
After almost three years without a set up, it is still in pitch, with only a bit of string buzz at the top of the neck.

Cal

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I had a Squire J-Bass years ago that really sounded thin, but the neck was OK and it held it's tune.

You COULD start with a Squire and upgrade it over time.

1. Tuners
2. Pickups and electronics
3. Neck/Frets

As I understand it the price range is roughly as follows:

1. Asian/Squier - $200
2. Mexican/"Standard" - $400
3. American/"American" - $750 or so

I have a Mexican J-Bass and even it doesn't have the fullness and dynamic range of an American model. It's pickups are also noisier than an American model.

I've never bought a Squier guitar, as I have enough trouble keeping more expensive ones intonated and generally in tune <g>, and if a well-known guitarist uses one, I would bet it's had some mods.

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posted 09-14-2006 17:43     Click Here to See the Profile for swainja   Click Here to Email swainja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Have had a 57' les Paul Junior, a 70's Telecaster, a 59' Gibson L6S, a brand new purple Ibanez RG560, and even a Fender Roadhouse Strat."

Hey Cal, are you sure about the date on the L6S? I don't believe Gibson introduced that guitar until 1973.

In answer to the original post, the era that the Squier was made makes a significant difference in the overall quality of the guitar. The Japanese models made in the 1980's are sought after by some folks because they were so well made.

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