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StrCountry1
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posted 12-03-2003 07:59     Click Here to See the Profile for StrCountry1   Click Here to Email StrCountry1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone heard of this company in Nashville?

I've been told they work exclusively with unpublished songwriters.

Has anyone worked with them before? What was the outcome? Are they a division of Paramount Pictures?

Thanks

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Marty Helly
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posted 12-03-2003 08:31     Click Here to See the Profile for Marty Helly   Click Here to Email Marty Helly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Try here.

http://www.justplainfolks.org/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000741.html

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Paul T Wentworth
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posted 12-03-2003 08:31     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul T Wentworth   Click Here to Email Paul T Wentworth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello: I sent one of my songs to on of their contests. They informed me that I was one of the runners up and I got a discount on getting my song demoed. ALong with the prize I got a "contract" that said something they would agree to demo the song and pitch it to someone if I signed. Then this contract provided me with prices for different types of demos that I could pay thus violating the first rule that if a publisher is interested in your work they will provide the wherewithall to demo and pitch it and then subtract these costs from any profits. I then mentioned my great "luck" to a friend who is a musician in Nashville and he told me that they were a song shark. He said they wanted to hire him to do demo work for them. He told me to run in the opposite direction as fast as I could.

I pretty much got the idea before I talked to him but he verified what I thought.

Hope this helps....Paul

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ECA333
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posted 12-03-2003 11:53     Click Here to See the Profile for ECA333   Click Here to Email ECA333     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a demo studio at best.

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StrCountry1
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posted 12-03-2003 12:15     Click Here to See the Profile for StrCountry1   Click Here to Email StrCountry1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Marty,

Thanks for the link. I read it entirely. Boy, I'm glad I asked.

Thanks again.
Michelle

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StrCountry1
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posted 12-03-2003 12:18     Click Here to See the Profile for StrCountry1   Click Here to Email StrCountry1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Paul,

They actually made themselves look like they were a division of Paramount Pictures.

I feel foolish, because I did send them a tape. Unfortunately, the thought didn't cross my mind to check with my jpf friends first.

Thanks again.
Michelle

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Holly Harden
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posted 12-03-2003 12:32     Click Here to See the Profile for Holly Harden     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's an old trick by sharks - grab a like-sounding name and then through subtle innuendo make the unsuspecting believe there's an affliation with an industry giant.

Watch out too for those companies whose initials happen to mirror or appear like there's a link to record industry giants, e.g. BMG, UMG, etc.

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Emily Sanders
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posted 12-28-2003 22:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Emily Sanders   Click Here to Email Emily Sanders     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Paramount Group is a joke...

Stay away from shark country...

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songbird1
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posted 01-04-2004 20:46     Click Here to See the Profile for songbird1   Click Here to Email songbird1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by StrCountry1:
Has anyone heard of this company in Nashville?

I've been told they work exclusively with unpublished songwriters.

Has anyone worked with them before? What was the outcome? Are they a division of Paramount Pictures?

Thanks


They are crooks and run like hell. Remember this kid, no one gives no one somethin' for nothin.

Good luck!

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Rebecca Crawford
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posted 03-04-2004 20:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Rebecca Crawford   Click Here to Email Rebecca Crawford     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THEY ARE DEFINITELY A FLY BY NIGHT, SUCK THE MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKET, KIND OF COMPANY. I SENT IN SONGS TO, WITH THE SAME RESULT, HOW GREAT I AM!! HA HA. SO, TO TEST THEM, I SENT IN A BOGUS SONG USING ANOTHER CONTACT AND GOT THE "HOW GREAT I AM" AGAIN!! AND BELEIVE ME IT WASN'T GREAT.

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R.T.MOORE
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posted 03-05-2004 09:36     Click Here to See the Profile for R.T.MOORE   Click Here to Email R.T.MOORE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THERE IS ALSO A POSTING IN THE SONG WRITER FORUM. ALL MESSAGES JUST AS BITTERLY COLD. HOW DO THESE PEOPLE MAKE IT WITHOUT BEING CAUGHT AND CRUCIFIED. WOW!

R.T.

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Yanko
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posted 03-06-2004 04:18     Click Here to See the Profile for Yanko   Click Here to Email Yanko     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rebecca Crawford:
THEY ARE DEFINITELY A FLY BY NIGHT, SUCK THE MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKET, KIND OF COMPANY. I SENT IN SONGS TO, WITH THE SAME RESULT, HOW GREAT I AM!! HA HA. SO, TO TEST THEM, I SENT IN A BOGUS SONG USING ANOTHER CONTACT AND GOT THE "HOW GREAT I AM" AGAIN!! AND BELEIVE ME IT WASN'T GREAT.

Is there a ( BBB ) Did you turn these people in.

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Davyboy49
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posted 08-30-2004 19:56     Click Here to See the Profile for Davyboy49   Click Here to Email Davyboy49     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Back in 99 i sent my first song submission following an email i recieved from these folks.I used them to make my first demo,and they didn't do half bad to be honest.Then,Lo and behold they contacted me saying my song had been chosen to be on there 'Catch a rising star' cd! This was to be a cd box set shopped to 'all the major record labels'! I thought 'Wow,after writing for over twenty years,the first time i submitted a song i was chosen to be on this big promotional cd set that would surely jumpstart my writing career!...I was on cloud nine,and then another email saying they had found me a publisher who wanted me to sign a contract! I was on my way to the top,and i just knew it!..Sure enough,i recieved the contract offer from 'StarTune publishers' in a couple days.I signed it,sent it back,and after three years...guess what?...i haven't heard a word one way or another from them...I am kinda hard headed,and was wondering why the offers hadn't started rolling in from all those major record labels they told me about...to make a long story...even longer!...i was duped...plain old suckered,and i ain't to roud to admit it if it will help anyone else who gets the same kind of bulls--t! Sorry,but it is simple fact...Now i have went and signed a song over to another company i really don't know much about either,but at least this one doesn't take any money.I may be the world's biggest fool,but i signed with Centurysouth literary and music publishers(anyone know of them?)..i just hope i ain't being burned again.haha...but if i am at least it didn't cost me anything to be made a fool of this time.
David

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TheBaz
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posted 08-31-2004 01:18     Click Here to See the Profile for TheBaz   Click Here to Email TheBaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've never heard of these PARTICULAR people, but have heard of many like them. On another thread, someone asked about another site/company, and my response was ... check out their emails and site. If the emails and site are unprofessional -- filled with grammatical and/or spelling errors, posting major label artists' names wrong, etc. -- it's PROBABLY ... well, unprofessional to the core (i.e., a scam).

Just for fun, I popped over to www.paramounsong.com to check out the site. When I hit "contact", a message pops up:

quote:

Please don't call for information. Operators aren't standing by, because the personalized service we're good at doesn't work well in a mass phone bank system.

Um ... do they REALLY think we're THAT stupid? Folks ... if a site doesn't have clear contact information, they just aren't legit (you can't even email them, other than to send them YOUR email through an online form, never seeing THEIR email, in order for them to send you "their information about songwriting").

Let's run that again...

Operators aren't standing by, because the personalized service we're good at doesn't work well in a mass phone bank system.

In other words, "We offer SUCH personal service that you can't reach ANYONE -- not EVEN an automated system on which you can leave a message, not a single name, no email to contact us by."

This essentially boils down to...

"Our 'address' is a postal box. We made up a name for our building by calling it 'United Artists Tower', and our 'room' sounded better as a 'Suite'. But really, I'm just a guy who rents studio space."

Again, just for fun, I "googled" the phrase "United Artists Tower". Surely, there must be many other reputable music people in a building with such a glam name! Take a guess. I mean, it's a "Tower", right? Gotta have 20 stories, with, say 10 "Suites" on each floor, at least, right?

Exactly 7 entries, 6 of which were for Paramount, and one for a boot seller. It's an 8-story building that rents space, and NO ONE ELSE calls it "United Artists Tower" but them and the boot seller (which may be them, too).

So there's your amusing little detective story for the day. Hope you all had as much fun as I did.

Baz/Erik
www.eriktyler.com

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JL
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posted 08-31-2004 09:00     Click Here to See the Profile for JL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What Yanko said. Why not report them to the Better Business Bureau? Try to help somebody else who might get taken. --Jean

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posted 08-31-2004 15:39     Click Here to See the Profile for TheBaz   Click Here to Email TheBaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thing is, they're not doing anything particularly ILLEGAL when you break it down. "Shady" and tricking people. But not "bustable", so to speak. For instance, choosing a name that implies connection with Paramount Pictures is "shady" and designed to deceive, but not illegal. Offering to make demos and "pitch them" is also not illegal. They just say things in a way that avid songwriters will jump at. They don't say to whom they will pitch things. And, saying every song is "great" is technically a "matter of opinion", not a guarantee -- so, again, not a legal problem. Just shady. You can't call the BBB on "shady", or at least not expect them to do anything about it.

Just a "Buyer Beware" situation, and a reminder to "read the fine print" (or, in this case, all the print, fine or not -- because it's all pretty ludicrous).

Erik/Baz
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A1CWatton
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posted 08-31-2004 18:00     Click Here to See the Profile for A1CWatton   Click Here to Email A1CWatton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suggest we put together a forum that lists known song sharks and music industry shark organizations to prevent anyone from being misinformed in the future. This will also cut down on unnecessary posts from anyone who may be ignorant on the subject in the future.

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Davyboy49
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posted 09-24-2004 18:41     Click Here to See the Profile for Davyboy49   Click Here to Email Davyboy49     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I filed a comlaint several months ago with the BBB.I figure at least if anyone else goes looking they will see complaints whether technically they have done anything illegal or not.We all need to stick together and communicate here to try and help the next sucker(like me) who is approached by these shady fly by night crooks.It is hard enough being succesful in this business without wasting your time and money on slicksters like 'Paramount group'..Good luck to all.
Dave

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Davyboy49
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posted 11-12-2004 15:20     Click Here to See the Profile for Davyboy49   Click Here to Email Davyboy49     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also got duped by Centurysouth who now proves to be just another shark out to bite your wallet.Please take the word of a sucker and don't sign anything with either Paramount group or Centurysouth.They are both scam artists and plain old crooked!
Dave

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RichardCountrySongs
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posted 01-13-2005 13:17     Click Here to See the Profile for RichardCountrySongs   Click Here to Email RichardCountrySongs     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most publishers want a song demoed already so you cannot assume that they will pay for the demo for you, unless you are already established with them and they get a great song by you that they are confident is a hit. As far as Paramount - steer clear. Go to clubnashville.com and look up everything you need there. You need either:

- A quality plugger
- Music Row tip sheet
- A small, but established publisher who has had hits but has an open-door policy that they accept outside writers.

Or all of the above


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Originally posted by Paul T Wentworth:
Hello: I sent one of my songs to on of their contests. They informed me that I was one of the runners up and I got a discount on getting my song demoed. ALong with the prize I got a "contract" that said something they would agree to demo the song and pitch it to someone if I signed. Then this contract provided me with prices for different types of demos that I could pay thus violating the first rule that if a publisher is interested in your work they will provide the wherewithall to demo and pitch it and then subtract these costs from any profits. I then mentioned my great "luck" to a friend who is a musician in Nashville and he told me that they were a song shark. He said they wanted to hire him to do demo work for them. He told me to run in the opposite direction as fast as I could.

I pretty much got the idea before I talked to him but he verified what I thought.

Hope this helps....Paul


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Lwilliam
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posted 01-15-2005 02:27     Click Here to See the Profile for Lwilliam   Click Here to Email Lwilliam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"the first rule that if a publisher is interested in your work they will provide the wherewithall to demo and pitch it and then subtract these costs from any profits."

This is not a rule you've ever seen here. I don't know where you heard it, but it's not really true except in one instance: Staff writers will get their demos paid for by the publisher (and take the cost from future royalties), but not unknown writers with no previous major label cuts.

Your demo has to be competitive with what they're already pitching or they won't even be interested in it. They may recommend that you get a better demo done somewhere. They have too many other songs coming in that are demo'ed well to take a chance on an unknown and outside writer.


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Michael H
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posted 01-15-2005 23:02     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael H   Click Here to Email Michael H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey All,
I use the LEADS SHEET. Have for years. Give it a looksee. www.alleghenymusicworks.com
Michael

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Ken
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posted 01-16-2005 14:36     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken   Click Here to Email Ken     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds just like a company in Nashville I got hosed with many years ago. Only this one was "Capitol" not Paramount. The cat's name was Robert Metzgar. Same song and dance.

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Diana Tyler
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posted 01-21-2005 18:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana Tyler   Click Here to Email Diana Tyler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One "rule of thumb" I like to use in general:

If it comes in the mail with your address printed on a label, you're probably one of a 'gajillion' people receiving the same mailing. Obviously, the sender hasn't noticed you--or your work--on an individual basis.

Toss it!

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posted 01-23-2005 13:13     Click Here to See the Profile for Wyman Lloyd   Click Here to Email Wyman Lloyd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I suggest we put together a forum that lists known song sharks and music industry shark organizations to prevent anyone from being misinformed in the future. This will also cut down on unnecessary posts from anyone who may be ignorant on the subject in the future.---------------------------------------
The above is an idea, but there's a problem with it. If the forum got much notice-noteriety(sp), expect to get sued or threatened with it.I used to belong to a songwriters organization that published a "shark list" every month. They got threanened so much, they finally decided they'd better quit it. These guys don't like to be exposed and no doubt know some shylock lawyers who will take the case. (You know---libel, slander, etc. ) And ,as said , what they do is hardly ever illegal. Merely misleading. Last I knew, this organization had it that you could "send" for a shark list , but they didn't publish it in tne newslatter. Whether they even do that anymore, I don't know.
Wy

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Ken
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posted 03-08-2006 20:11     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken   Click Here to Email Ken     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like to publically apologize to Mr. Metzgar. What I said was out of line.

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bcushing
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Ken, did he coerce you into a retraction, or threaten you with legal action? If so, tell him to kiss your a**.

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