O.K. not trying to debate, just wondering HOW exactly ONE would go about seeing the big picture from anything other than a subjective frame of reference..I don't want to debate either, because I don't WHOLLY disagree with you.. I beleive in God, but my definition differs from that which I have seen in organized religion.. I beleive in physics (for the most part) and it points to several contradictions and paradoxes which I can't explain) so I think MOST arguments of faith and religion come down to semantics.. thanks for the conversation on the subject,,

I hope the Bookingagent reads this thread too, and comes back to comment!