Originally Posted by Noel Downs
having birth control freely available so a woman (or couple) can CHOOSE when, and if she wants children (or more children) is about giving choice. Extremisim is about taking choice away...


Freely available is a good thing ..... but this isn't free, is it? No, it's part of a nationally mandated insurance program. Which, by the way, I believe insurance should cover birth control pills just as it covers other prescriptions. My point wasn't about the birth control aspect at all. It was about THE GOVERNMENT TELLING RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS THEY MUST VIOLATE THEIR PRINCIPLES AND PROVIDE BIRTH CONTROL. Read what I wrote again. Yall aren't stupid.

Originally Posted by Noel Downs
The lack of morals the some Christians are suggesting occur because birth control is available, is a failing on their part, not the ability to make a choice. (Though I would disagree imorallity is any different now in normal society, than it ever was before birth control. just now there are less abandond/ abused unwanted children)

The desire to control people by taking away their freedom to choose is extreamism... like the church saying there should be no birth control.


You can really only control people through enforced law, and the only law involved in this issue is the new law that says religious organizations must provide birth control.

Now, about immorality today vs. immorality in the past, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Do you think it's different or do you not think it's different?

I know this....I was born in 1956 to an unwed mother. My father was already married to someone else. So, believe me, I know it happens. I've got the birth certificate to prove it.

But I believe my mother was not indicative of most women in that era. Go back and check marriage records against birth records. If immorality was no different, a large percentage of those married couples should have had kids within 9 months. The records don't prove that to be true. Oh wait, I know what happened, there were as many unplanned and unwanted pregnancies back then, it's just that the women had illegal abortions!