Who's Online Now
3 members (Gary E. Andrews, Fdemetrio, NicoleRoss), 18,735 guests, and 5,939 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Register Today!
Welcome to the Just Plain Folks forums! You are currently viewing our forums as a Guest which gives you limited access to most of our discussions and to other features.

By joining our free community you will have access to post and respond to topics, communicate privately with our users (PM), respond to polls, upload content, and access many other features. Registration is fast, simple, and absolutely free; so please join our community today!
ShoutChat
Comment Guidelines: Do post respectful and insightful comments. Don't flame, hate, spam.
What's Going On
North Coast Music Festival
by Gary E. Andrews - 06/12/26 01:07 AM
The Futute is Rosie
by Fdemetrio - 06/12/26 12:57 AM
Music Bloomington
by Gary E. Andrews - 06/11/26 10:37 PM
Beer Barrel Pizza & Grill
by Gary E. Andrews - 06/11/26 10:13 PM
THE LANGUAGE OF YOUR EYES
by Rob B. - 06/11/26 06:34 PM
Memories That Don't Seem Real
by John Lawrence Schick - 06/11/26 05:25 PM
Leafs, Donovan Plant
by Gary E. Andrews - 06/11/26 09:01 AM
Title? I'll say: The Ever-Elapsing Moment Of Now
by Gary E. Andrews - 06/11/26 07:03 AM
Don't complain if you come to Northern Jersey
by Fdemetrio - 06/10/26 05:53 PM
The Mysterious Disappearance of Kay-Lynn
by bennash - 06/10/26 12:02 PM
Died From Serious People
by bennash - 06/10/26 12:31 AM
Sunset Night Market, Dragon Boat Festival
by Gary E. Andrews - 06/09/26 11:04 PM
Inner Sunset Flea Market
by Gary E. Andrews - 06/09/26 10:53 PM
True Story
by Fdemetrio - 06/09/26 01:57 PM
She Wont Say(done)
by Fdemetrio - 06/09/26 12:08 PM
Remember To Forget
by bennash - 06/09/26 10:09 AM
"Simple Human Dignity"
by bennash - 06/09/26 09:40 AM
Lucy Woodward
by Gary E. Andrews - 06/09/26 12:29 AM
Rumble 2 (instrumental)
by bennash - 06/08/26 11:40 PM
Any friend of Jesus
by bennash - 06/08/26 07:40 PM
Before You Think One Night
by bennash - 06/08/26 06:30 PM
How bout them Knicks?
by Fdemetrio - 06/08/26 06:27 PM
Wasting My Time
by bennash - 06/08/26 06:13 PM
SHOWCASE: SONGS/ESSAYS BY GARY E. ANDREWS
by Gary E. Andrews - 06/08/26 06:08 PM
Any friend of Jesus
by Fdemetrio - 06/08/26 05:14 AM
Florida
by bennash - 06/07/26 09:34 PM
It Ain't Your Imagination
by bennash - 06/07/26 07:01 PM
Dakota Free, The Tape Cassettes
by Gary E. Andrews - 06/07/26 03:27 PM
Rock The House, Dayton, Ohio
by Gary E. Andrews - 06/07/26 11:15 AM
Steve Free, Susie Free, Greenup County Ky
by Gary E. Andrews - 06/06/26 11:36 PM
Top Posters
Calvin 19,858
Travis david 12,380
Kevin Emmrich 10,943
Jean Bullock 10,330
Kaley Willow 10,240
Two Singers 9,649
Joice Marie 9,186
Mackie H. 9,003
Fdemetrio 8,900
glynda 8,688
Mike Dunbar 8,574
Tricia Baker 8,318
couchgrouch 8,240
Colin Ward 7,911
Corey 7,357
Sunset Poet 7,108
Vicarn 6,916
Mark Kaufman 6,589
ben willis 6,114
Lynn Orloff 5,788
Louis 5,725
Linda Sings 5,608
KimberlyinNC 5,210
Neil Cotton 4,909
Derek Hines 4,893
DonnaMarilyn 4,700
Blake Hill 4,528
Bob Cushing 4,389
bennash 4,329
Roy Cooper 4,303
MFB III 4,237
Bill Osofsky 4,199
Tom Shea 4,195
Cindy Miller 4,178
TamsNumber4 4,172
nightengale 4,096
E Swartz 4,029
beechnut79 3,878
Caroline 3,865
Kolstad 3,845
Dan Sullivan 3,710
Dottie 3,427
joewatt 3,411
Bill Cooper 3,279
John Hoffman 3,199
Skip Johnson 3,027
Pam Hurley 3,007
Terry G 3,005
PopTodd 2,901
Nigel Quin 2,891
Harriet Ames 2,870
MidniteBob 2,764
Nelson 2,616
Tom Tracy 2,558
Jerry Jakala 2,524
Al Alvarez 2,499
Eric Thome 2,448
Hummingbird 2,401
Stan Loh 2,263
Sam Wilson 2,247
Wendy D 2,236
Judy Hollier 2,232
Erica Ellis 2,202
maccharles 2,134
TrumanCoyote 2,096
Marty Helly 2,041
DukeWill 2,009
floyd jane 1,985
Rob B. 1,909
Clint Anglin 1,904
cindyrella 1,888
David Wright 1,866
Clairejeanne 1,851
Cindy LaRosa 1,824
Ronald Boyt 1,675
Iggy 1,653
VNORTH2 1,651
Noel Downs 1,633
Rick Heenan 1,608
Cal 1,574
GocartMoz 1,559
Jack Swain 1,554
Pete Larsen 1,537
Ann Tygart 1,529
Tom Breshers 1,487
RogerS 1,481
Tom Franz 1,479
David Gill 1,461
IronKnee 1,455
Bill Draper 1,443
Chuck Crowe 1,441
Ralph Blight 1,440
Rick Norton 1,435
Kenneth Cade 1,429
Deej56 1,419
bholt 1,411
Letha Allen 1,409
in2piano 1,404
Stan Simons 1,402
mattbanx 1,384
Jen Shaner 1,373
Charlie Wong 1,347
KevinP 1,324
Vondelle 1,316
Tom W. 1,313
Jan Petter 1,301
scottandrew 1,294
lane1777 1,280
Gerry 1,280
DakLander 1,265
PeteG 1,242
Ian Ferrin 1,235
Glen King 1,214
IdeaGuy 1,209
AaronAuthier 1,177
summeoyo 1,174
ckiphen 1,162
Diane Ewing 1,162
joro 1,082
BobbyJoe 1,075
S.DEE 1,040
yann 1,037
9ne 1,035
WesRyan 1,018
Tony A 1,016
argo 986
peaden 984
90 dB 964
Wolvman 960
Jak Kelly 912
krtinberg 890
Petra 883
RJC 845
Brenda152 840
Nadia 829
ant 798
Juan 797
TKO 784
Dayson 781
frahmes 781
teletwang 762
Irwin 754
Andy Kemp 751
Andy K 750
tbryson 737
Jackie444 731
3daveyO3 704
Dixie 701
Pat Hardy 696
Joy Boy 695
Knute 686
Moosesong 679
Lee Arten 678
Katziis 652
R.T.MOORE 638
quality 637
CG King 622
douglas 621
R&M 614
Mel 614
NaomiSue 601
Shandy 590
Ria 587
TAMERA64 583
qbaum 570
nitepiano 566
pRISCILLA 556
Tink2 553
musica 539
deanbell 528
BB Wilbur 527
RobertK 527
BonzaiWag 523
Roderic 522
goodfolks 499
Zeek 487
Stu 486
Steve P. 481
KathyW 462
allenb 459
MaxG 458
Philjo 454
fanito 448
trush48 448
dmk 442
Rob L 439
arealrush 437
DGR 436
avweek 435
Stephen D 433
Emmy 431
marquez 422
kit 419
Softkrome 417
kyrksongs 415
RRon 408
Laura G. 407
VNORTH 407
Debra 407
eb 406
cuebald 399
EdPerrone 399
Dannyk1 395
Hobart 395
ddreuter 394
Davyboy49 393
Smile 389
GJShades 387
Alek 386
Ezt 384
tone 380
Marla 380
Ann_F 379
iggyiggy 378
coalminer 377
java 374
spidey 371
sweetsong 370
danny 367
Jim Ryan 360
papaG 353
Z - man 350
JamesDF5 348
John K 348
Jaden 344
TheBaz 340
Steggy 339
leif 339
tonedeaf 336
rickwork 334
Eddie Ray 332
Johnboy 328
Bob Lever 328
Helicon1 327
lucian 326
Muskie 321
kc 319
Z. Mulls 318
ptondreau 313
ONOFFON 312
Chris B. 310
trush 304
ed323 297
Ellen M 294
markus-ky 294
lizzorn 291
nicnac49 290
Char 286
ktunes 285
Top Likes Received
bennash 136
Rob B. 88
VNORTH2 68
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
#1041288 03/04/14 03:45 AM
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 171
O
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
O
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 171
Here's the new one…. Would love any critiques or thoughts!

http://youtu.be/6zdu2PZ_Vv0
(this is an updated link with a much better mix….thank you eddie for the honest critique! It's not perfect, but I can sleep a little better now wink

BURNING PASTURES FOR GREENER GRASS
By Aaron Barber
© 2014

VERSE
Snow finally melted away
I’d love to forget this past winter
Just when you think it’s here to stay
It waves a flag in surrender
We watch the embers every spring
Southern fields with built in charm
On the edge of our little patch
The fires roar in the dark

CHORUS
It feels a bit strange
When we leave the past
Celebrate a change
With the toss of a match
We might get a scar
That forever lasts
We were burning pastures for greener grass

VERSE
He ain’t her Romeo
At least that’s what she wrote
In a letter that was charred
In the fireplace of their home
She’d needed to escape
A life that made her choke
Ashes filling up her mirror
On that old tired and worn out road

BRIDGE
Stuck in these chains
But only for a little awhile
Ain’t no use in complainin'

Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,029
Likes: 28
Top 100 Poster
Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,029
Likes: 28
onehandsomedog,

I like your song, but feel you need to get some production tweaks with volume levels adjusted and maybe a little panning to give your a better mix. I liked that ending choruses better, maybe because the 1st two felt overpowered a bit with the music encroaching on the vocal's dominance.

I know you are hurrying to get these songs written each week, so my hat is off to you. I'd just recommend looking at your music balance a bit. The 2nd verse had better lyric/music prosody--just giving you a couple things that jumped out at me.

I thought your concept and music vibe were cool, so it's a good start. These are just a couple ideas for you to use or lose and JMO which is just one among many. Nice write!

steady-eddie.

Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 171
O
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
O
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 171
Thanks for the listen Eddie!
I totally agree with you, I had to sell my speakers and now I'm trying everything on headphones which is proving to be quite the pain. Hopefully over the next few weeks I will have a sense of what balanced sounds like in those things. I can't thank you enough for the thoughtful critique, it will definitely help me become a better writer and musician.
Respectfully,
Aaron

Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,134
Likes: 10
Top 200 Poster
Offline
Top 200 Poster
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,134
Likes: 10
Aaron,

eight songs in and I can already hear/see certain things taking shape for your style. One thing I like is the fact you're not afraid to use "implied" rhymes, thatis to say, your songs don't really need hard rhymes like moon/june......though one has to be careful there, because too many implied rhymes can sound a bit like a poem with music attached.

I'm hearing that americana style along the lines of Freedy Johnston or JamesMcmurtry here, two of my plain spoken favorites.

production wise, headphone mixing can easily fool you.....if that's all you have available, I'd at least make sure the overall eq is flat and go from there to start, then burn a quick cd and listen in the car and take quick notes.....like (too crisp/too muddy) ect. this mix sounds like a lot of lower mid going on.....on MY headphones anyway.... smile

well done, two more and you reach the ten song milestone.

Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 171
O
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
O
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 171
Thank you Mac!
I will be taking lots of mixing notes this week. Yes 2 more, almost hard to believe…. Right now it's very challenging for me to write the song and give every step of the process the time it deserves. But I find that it's forcing me to pick 1 or 2 new things to focus on each week. Not demanding perfect but a little bit better each time.
Thanks again!

Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 13,325
Top 10 Poster
Offline
Top 10 Poster
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 13,325
This is pretty sweet Aaron!I could hear Neil Young doing this one.Nice lyrics with a cool ass hook too.You have a few good sugs from above so i hope the best for ya on your song a week challenge.Mike

Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 171
O
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
O
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 171
Thanks Mike I appreciate the spin!

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 8,490
Top 20 Poster
Offline
Top 20 Poster
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 8,490
Hi Dog,

Cool song -- I really enjoyed the listen! There's a great complexity to your writing, too, that's intriguing!
Lisa

Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,528
B
Top 100 Poster
Offline
Top 100 Poster
B
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,528
what you MUST do with your chorus (or not)

is pause, like this:

it feels a bit strange...3,4
when we leave the past
celebrate a change...3,4
with the toss of a match

keep the listener hanging on those parts

it will sound better, and will also give the listener a much needed breather, cause you did a lot of singing already.

Good Luck!

Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 171
O
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
O
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 171
Lisa, Thank you so much for the wonderful compliment!!!!

Bugsey, thanks for the listen! That's a great suggestion. I will also try to keep that kind of thing in mind with my future songs.

Aaron

Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,985
F
Top 200 Poster
Offline
Top 200 Poster
F
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,985
Aaron,

I am enjoying your journey. I cheer you on! You're already good - I predict you are headed for great..

I like that you are doing the lyric videos - nothing against "seeing you singing", but this makes a lot more sense towards your goal...

Your productions are sounding fine to carry the song and get them across. I would suggest that you keep them simple and "perfect" that type of sound - drums, bass, simple guitar - (like the TOTALLY amazing sound that mac produces with a minimum of instruments...) - and keep concentrating on the writing - don't get distracted by fancy productions.. you can have that be your next journey...

A couple of "songwriting suggestions" - ignore them if you choose..

There are a number of places where you could eliminate little things that make big improvements on "how the song SINGS" and how it "falls on your listener's ear"....

Right off the bat..
"All the snow, it finally cleared"
...the "it" is one of those "little things".
"All the snow... finally cleared"
..sings more (allows the singer to hold the note on 'snow' - to let it sing)

"I'd love to forget this past winter"
..has a lot of staccato syllables to it that make it a "little bumpy" on the ear.
Try something like "It's been a hard winter" (drawing out 'hard')
That describes the winter - and your listener will imply that you would like to get past it...
-- I'm not trying to re-write your song - merely suggesting you look at how a song "sings" and "lands on the ear"...

Your chorus sings really well. But the line
"We might get a scar that forever lasts"
is another type of "bump". It's that "poetry thing" that doesn't work well in a song - putting words in an "unnatural" order for the sake of a rhyme. If you were to actually SAY that to someone, I doubt that you would ever say it in that order. You would say "We might get a scar that lasts forever." It's like writing "the door I did close" instead of "I closed the door" because you had to rhyme with "nose"...
(no suggestion for a replacement)
Every line of a song should sound like it came from a casual conversation. Something that you would ACTUALLY say....

There is nothing wrong with
"In a letter that was charred
In a fireplace of their home"
But you can do without 'that was'
"in a letter...charred...in a fireplace of their home"
(then you can really 'sing' let-ter chaaaared'..)

little things.
"But only for a little while" --> "But only for a while"
same thing... but sings better...

Like I said, ignore this if you choose. But these type of "little things" are what separate songwriters...

I look forward to your posts.

floyd

Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 171
O
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
O
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 171
FLOYD ---That was an awesome critique!!!!! thank you….. It is funny how those little things can get in the way wink I will definitely be paying more attention to the flow and streamlining what I want to say. Truly can't thank you enough for the listen and the time you took to help me along this path.
Also, thank you for the wonderful compliment!
Respectfully,
Aaron

Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 123
P
Serious Contributor
Offline
Serious Contributor
P
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 123
I like this nice flow to it and also great name for a song Burning Pastures for Greener Grass, i don't know what this song a week challenge is but if this song is anything to go by, Congratulations.

Great Job.

Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 171
O
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
O
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 171
Thank you Pat!
Back in November I saw a group on facebook starting a challenge of 1 song a week for 52 weeks. Their page is 'real women real songs'. I thought it was a great idea and being a male I chose to unofficially join. Then I found out Mac Charles has been doing this for 69? weeks now. So I guess you could say I am following in his footsteps. Either way, for me it's turning out to be a great way to improve my songwriting, singing, recording, etc. Not to mention the discipline that comes with a deadline. So that's what the weekly challenge is all about wink
Peace,
Aaron

Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,943
Likes: 3
Top 10 Poster
Offline
Top 10 Poster
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,943
Likes: 3
Glad to see you still doing the song a week thingy, there is no better way to improve than just doing it!. I guess this is the newest mix that I am listening to. Sounds really good. The vocal gets a little lost in the chorus section when the extra instruments kick in. So you either need to lower the volume on the backing instruments or increase the lead vox a bit. It might be an EQ issue, too -- but I am not an expert on those types of things. Might want consider adding some harmonies during the chorus.

I need to set a goal of a song a week until I got to 50/90 this summer.


"Good science comes in peer reviewed journals. Conspiracy theories come in YouTube videos. "
Kevin @ bandcamp: Crows Say Vee-Eh
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 171
O
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
O
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 171
Thank you for listening Kevin! Let me know if you start doing a song a week, I'll be sure to listen....
Respectfully,
Aaron

Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 123
P
Serious Contributor
Offline
Serious Contributor
P
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 123
Originally Posted by onehandsomedog
Thank you Pat!
Back in November I saw a group on facebook starting a challenge of 1 song a week for 52 weeks. Their page is 'real women real songs'. I thought it was a great idea and being a male I chose to unofficially join. Then I found out Mac Charles has been doing this for 69? weeks now. So I guess you could say I am following in his footsteps. Either way, for me it's turning out to be a great way to improve my songwriting, singing, recording, etc. Not to mention the discipline that comes with a deadline. So that's what the weekly challenge is all about wink
Peace,
Aaron


That is some challenge Aaron the very best of luck to you and to anyone else whose involve in this cool


Link Copied to Clipboard
Support Just Plain Folks

We would like to keep the membership in Just Plain Folks FREE! Your donation helps support the many programs we offer including Road Trips and the Music Awards.


Newest Members
LukeMeyers, KimBilbrew, AdamSadowski, NicoleRoss, RichardCarr
21,478 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums118
Topics128,669
Posts1,184,389
Members21,478
Most Online148,207
May 25th, 2026
Just Plain Quotes
"If someone is truly a jerk, or truly is not deserving of any positive reply from you, polite indifference is the best response you can give. Do not insult. Do not slam. Do not follow the urge to be nasty. Simply be politely indifferent." –Brian Austin Whitney
Today's Birthdays
There are no members with birthdays on this day.
Popular Topics(Views)
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5