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Oh im wrong, so im too sexy for my shirt. Is a well written song because it was a hit.?

There are great songwriters who will never, ever get heard because of how the business is.

Commercial success is lovely. I'd like some. But its not about great songwriting, it can be, but it also isn't.

I never said a word about Guys writing. I use it as a reference, when you praise him but attack mine.

Yiur bias is so obvious, thankfully im.good so I know

Many poorly written songs become massive hits due to catchiness, novelty, or high production value despite nonsensical or cringe-worthy lyrics. Prime examples often cited include "Agadoo" by Black Lace (voted worst song ever), "The Cheeky Song" by The Cheeky Girls, and "Hot Problems" by Double Take. These hits frequently rely on repetitive hooks rather than songwriting quality.
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some of the worst written songs that became hits



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Many poorly written songs become massive hits due to catchiness, novelty, or high production value despite nonsensical or cringe-worthy lyrics. Prime examples often cited include "Agadoo" by Black Lace (voted worst song ever), "The Cheeky Song" by The Cheeky Girls, and "Hot Problems" by Double Take. These hits frequently rely on repetitive hooks rather than songwriting quality.
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Here are some of the most frequently cited "worst written" songs that became hits, categorized by their, often questionable, charm:
Pop and Novelty Hits
"The Cheeky Song (Touch My Bum)" by The Cheeky Girls: Frequently voted among the worst pop records.
"Agadoo" by Black Lace: Voted the worst song of all time by Q magazine readers.
"Friday" by Rebecca Black: Widely mocked for its banal lyrics and overproduction.
"Who Let The Dogs Out" by Baha Men: Famously nonsensical, yet inescapable.
"Don't Worry, Be Happy" by Bobby McFerrin: Cited for its irritatingly simple and cloying lyrical nature.
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Commonly Cited Poorly Written Hits
"A Horse with No Name" - America (1972): Noted for repetitive, simplistic lyrics like "There were plants / And birds / And rocks / And things".
"Kryptonite" - 3 Doors Down (2000): Criticized for having a title and chorus that don't logically fit the song's meaning.
"Life" - Des'ree (1998): Included for nonsensical, banal lyrics, specifically: "I'd rather have a piece of toast / Watch the evening news".
"Thong Song" - Sisqó (1999): Widely critiqued for the lyrical phrase "She had dumps like a truck".
"Do Ya Think I'm Sexy" - Rod Stewart (1978): Labeled one of the worst songs by critics despite reaching No. 1.
"My Ding-a-Ling" - Chuck Berry (1972): A hit despite simplistic and juvenile lyrics.
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And those who can't do... teach.

You don't need credibility to call yourself a teacher...

How's business, Dom?

Exactly. Jesus was an uneducated peasant,

HIGHLY EDUCATED... lol

Uneducated that is.

Which makes one dubious whete he got all his stories from
Nowhere in the Bible does it say how he learned to be an effective communicator/writer.

You need to learn to do

Ahemmn...
Yes it does.

I'm not discussing the Bible with you, DomDom.
Been there, done that.
The fate of your soul is entirely in your own hands.
I don't care...

Whether Jesus was literate is a subject of scholarly debate, with arguments on both sides. Many historians argue he was likely illiterate based on low literacy rates (perhaps 3–5%) in 1st-century Galilean, peasant, and rural communities. However, Gospel accounts show him reading and writing, suggesting a possible, rudimentary literacy or, according to some perspectives, potential for education.
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Arguments for Jesus Being Non-Literate/Illiterate
Historical Context: As a Galilean peasant, carpenter (or construction worker, tekton), and resident of a small village, he likely lacked the formal, elite education needed for reading and writing.
Scholarly Consensus: Many scholars categorize Jesus as "non-literate" rather than illiterate, meaning he lived in an oral society and did not have the opportunity to learn reading/writing, which was uncommon.
Lack of Direct Evidence: Outside of the Gospels, no contemporary, non-Christian evidence exists for his literacy.
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Arguments for Jesus Being Literate
Gospel Evidence: The Gospel of Luke (4:16–20) shows Jesus reading from a scroll in the synagogue, suggesting he could read and was not surprising others with this ability.
Debating Scripture: His frequent quoting and interpretation of scriptures and the phrase "have you not read?" suggest a high level of familiarity with written texts.
Educational Opportunities: Some scholars suggest he may have received training in a synagogue or from local leaders.
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Key Considerations
Definition: "Non-literate" is sometimes used to mean a person who was part of an oral culture and not educated in reading/writing.
Oral Tradition: In that era, memory and oral transmission of information were highly developed skills.
Two Perspectives: As discussed in various Reddit threads, the debate often hinges on whether to trust the Gospel portrayals of a learned teacher over the historical probability of an illiterate peasant.

Ahemmn...
Yes it does.

I'm not discussing the Bible with you, DomDom.
Been there, done that.
The fate of your soul is entirely in your own hands.
I don't care...

And those who can't do... teach.

You don't need much credibility to call yourself a teacher...

How's business, Dom?

To call yiurself a teacher. No, for anyone else to call yiu a teacher. Yes.

What you dont need is success in songeritijg, to say yiu know songwriting


Because songwriting is a dream, not a career choice. a series of timely accidents can make or break yiu.

Soooo... What exactly have YOU been here trying to prove all these years?

What makes you comparable to "Tampa Stan" Good?

Point of questiom?

Lol... Everybody liked Stan.

And nobody likes you.

But yiu bring up a point. These forums are based on buddy systems. And playing keep away.

Best to have but one truei listener and motivator

Jesus Loves You.

He might love you. But everybody else thinks you're an [naughty word removed]

Dom your thin skin makes you lash out far too quickly

If you wanted no reaction to the song or lyric you should have made that clear from the start.

In general terms, music has to move you in some way, physically and emotionally and memorably.

Listeners bring what they bring and hear what they hear and feel what they feel

Don't take it so personally when I or someone else does not like it

And you really are not the dick you or I think you are though you can definitely rise to the occasion

What is amazing is how far man has evolved technologically and intelligently but emotionally is still equivalent to the caveman. This thread is witness to that ha, ha.

Lol... Not so sure about that JLS.

"They Say" (emphasis on "They")
-Cavemen made tools and weapons
-painted on walls
-lived in small communities
-invented the wheel and mastered fire

But, there's no evidence that they ever sang songs about love or heartbreak.
In fact, lack of evidence would suggest that they probably ate their dead...

Just sayin'

Ah John but what a creature we are.

Aware, sentient means creators…curious, imaginative, emotional, intellectual, aware beings …..

We are inquisitive and we can learn from role models in our history. People who have made a positive impact in all fields of endeavor and in the very way we organize our lives

Successful people in all walks of life can point to their role models and mentors and teachers.

Guess it is just natural to point to particual people in a group as special

Tampa Stan was a member of both JPF and Shayne Vaughan's The Write Stuff back in the day.

TWS was a hosted forum Shayne had set up that sold eyeballs so free to everyone.
Stan, Couch, Graham Henderson, Kaley Willow, Wyman Lloyd, Bobby Gallup, Corky Bernard, Cindy Miller aka Tink, Anthony Torres and others I have missed and myself were members of both pre 2000

JPF was hosted on a primitive black and white forum back then that quickly became popular and had to move up in capability so Brian ported it over to UBBthreads Dec 2000 (my avatar join date).
The post I remember best from that old board was Kaley's one about loose cows...she was a gem who worked with Wyman on children's music.

The early 2000s was IMO the start of our Golden Age with Pineyfest and such.

Stan was our lyric a day guy. He wrote every day as a habit, likely developed during the Vietnam War when he served in Hanoi as a reporter for the US army newspaper...well he started as a reporter but his love was to draw cartoons for it like his hero Shel Silverstein. Had great stories around his posts. He also typed from his keyboard into his TV.

Every day there was a fresh Stan lyric and they were all over the place. News, life, dumb events, Stan always had an angle he could find to have fun with. He also liberally shared his time on line on other posts offering his considered opinion

You knew he loved La Femme and he regularly wrote his lyric of the day for her or about something stupid he did

Stan was a good example of the type of person we can be and deserves to be remembered fondly with a certain respect

Stan wrioe alot of lyrics, mostly superficial lacking depth or a pov, it was fun, its fun for guy [quote=John occasion[/quote]

John,

I have very thIck skin, im from jersey. Ive done gigs where guys won't stop playing darts across the stage.

You are obvious, you have to say something to me. Either yiu dont have a clue. Or yiu have an agenda

For you to critiq a song that was a gift, as if yiu had some kind of right to .

Absolutely musuc has to move you. I domtt write bullchit. There is genuine emotion, and hard earned experience e in everything I write.

All my favorites were so seekers.

The problem is you will only allow yourself to be moved, by somebody you have a kinship with

And of all the deeply hard earned experience and reveal I put im my music, you will never admit


I domt write bullshit. Its all rooted in experiemcr


Not your cup of tea? Fine, but dont start looking down at my work, because youir shitt is nowhere near it.

I mean how many dongs you had to mention the intro being long, ? So what.

You have no problem telling Marty or Rob b and some others how wonderful there stuff is.

Rob does same thing

Doesn't matter in the end is how well your songs hold up, anybody can form a click

Finally you critiquing a song written as a gift was the epitome of what I just said..

You felt you couldn't credit somebody. Cause you knew Stan better

And in advance it kicks ass over whatever chit you could write.

Write it waiting

And you lost of high quality songwriters os pretty funny.

How bout Mac. How bout mark kaufman, how bout Kurt fortmeyer, how bout gocarrmoxart.

Paul Pederson, these guys were real songwriters.

And if they were here they'd be in my threads.

Even the margimal ones were better than your click list

The word "eristic" seems to capture the essence of the current threads. Am I using the word correctly. Maybe just debating for the love of debating. I can't remember what TV show I heard this from, but the man said to his girlfriend "does everything have to be a full-scale debate with you". Hmm...

EXACTLY. There was no need to critique a song about Stan.

But it happened..

EXACTLY it is my fault.

It's me being pignacious

Agreed.

Well good then, that's settled, or would you like to go on being eristic?