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by Gary E. Andrews - 09/21/26 04:03 PM
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{HiDee Folks, & Merriest of Christmasses to Ya All! Hope to have some Good News for ya in Month to Come...(Like I've Finally Managed to get Logged ON again..this WebTv's been a Security Coder's Nightmare, thus far). Meanwhile, here's a li'l Christmas Lyric based on a Sad-but-True (Ongoing) Story. THANKS, & HAPPIEST of NEW YEARS To Ya All! Big Hugs, Stan}
"HE LIVES A LIE" (C.) 2006 by Stan Good, BMI
HIs Folks are both Good Christians Like All..the Folks Back Home He's Moved Out, & Lives Some Distance These Last 3 Years on His Own
And Found Someone he's In-Love With But Can't Marry in This State 'Love to Show His Love to Mama But, 3 Years he's Had to Wait..
(REFRAIN) & as Each Year Goes By... HE LIVES A LIE...
So He Drives Home for Christmas Greets his Family, All-Alone Tells 'Em 'Bout The Great Big City Where he Bought His Bachelor Home
Plays The Organ for The Church Folks As He Has, Each Year Before, Fills 'Em In, on "How He's Doing" Hesitates to Tell 'Em More
(REFRAIN) There's Good Reasons Why... HE LIVES A LIE...
(BRIDGE, MOD UP) He Knows God Made Him How He Is & They Wouldn't Understand & He'd Lose His Mothers Kiss If She Knew he Loved a Man It's O.K. if He Loves Jesus (That's Just Fine with Mom & Dad) But Their World would Fall to Pieces Lord, His Truth would leave them Sad... ...enough To Cry... HE LIVES A LIE...
(INSTRUMENTAL)
So Here Goes Another Christmas Some Folks Happy, Some Folks Sad This Charade is Now Completed As He slowly Packs His Bags
He would Love to Break The News But He'd Only Break Their Hearts Fundamental Narrow Views Love Their Myth...as He Departs
(REFRAIN) Into His SILENT NIGHT... HE LIVES A LIE...
(TAG) "Hello" is Sometimes Sadder..Than "Goodbye".. HE LIVES A LIE--
(C) 2006 by Stan Good, BMI All Rights Reserved.
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Under the weather here, but read this in the spirit of a good Christmas song. Frankly, I believe you've blown your entire hypothesis outta the water with these two lines.
"Fundamental Narrow Views Love Their MYTH...as He Departs"
You're implying that he, too, is a Christian, but then you talk about "their myth". I have no doubt you'll somehow obfuscate. As you often do in lyrics of this ilk, you try to land on both sides of the fence, and I don't see that happening. And PLEASE don't take this as a condemnation of the one "who lives a lie", but I deem it just as worthy that one doesn't always have the homosexual as the whipped, downtrodden scape-goat. Truth be told, based on what little (and I do mean LITTLE) TV (sports and a few reality) I see, I'd swear that same sex relationships are as common as ....anything! "Great Race" ALWAYS has at least one COUPLE, and usually two (albeit, one with a son and his mom), so I don't think this kinda hysteria is anywhere near what it once was. JMO. Structure, et al....good, as usual. Ben
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Pretty strong lyric Tampa. Nice to see you play it serious now and then.
Brian
Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@gmail.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney "It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..." -Brian Austin Whitney "Sometimes all you have to do to inspire humans to greatness is to give them a reason and opportunity to do something great." -Brian Austin Whitney
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Hi Stan
I thought we'd been missing you since the change of boards. Glad you figured things out. This is a very well written piece. It's sad indeed when people feel they need to hide the truth from their family. We all in some way have to leave out 'tribe' though in order to find our own path and truths. So in many ways, this is a universal theme. ; ) Happy holidays to you jm
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TampStan.......this one hits home for me! due to the fact it's really closely related to one of my cousins who passed away sometime ago....Thanks for reminding me of him..........Rick
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Hi Tampastan! I was getting worried about not seeing you...there's others too that haven't posted since the new board! This is sad but you made me feel like I was there and it was so very realistic!
Isn't he the "myth"? Happy Holidays! Linda
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HiDee Bro Ben!
Sorry it's taken over a week to Thank Ya for Your Critique, but I don't learn Computers Overnite...& my son's JUST tonight taken Pity on My Plight..& hooked up a wi-fi thingamabob on Mom's Computer so I can do alla my WebTv Email...and even ACCESS JPF on the Foool Thang! (This Lyric was Posted thanks to Brian..I'd emailled it tophim since it was the Only Christmas Song I'd come up with this year..& Christmas was fast-departin'!)
But now I guess "I'm BAACKKK!" heh-heh!
The "Myth" referred-to is the Parents' Assumption that their Son is "Straight"...that, and their Too-Narrow a-View of "What Good Christians Do"...
I don't picture the Gay Guy as "Pitiable" here, either. It's truly The PARENTS who are to be pitied. He returns to his Life as it Really Is..(At an Increasing DISTANCE)..THEY continue to keep their Blinders On..forcing this Distance to Increase.
& Yeah, their Son IS a pretty Good Christian...AND Organist as well..in Real Life... No Obfuscation Necessary--that's just how it is!
Thanks for the Kind Visit, Amigo...& a Very Happy New Year to Ya, at this Late Date!
Big Guy-Hug Stan
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HiYa Board Bard & Lifetime AMIGO!
I appreciate Your Help gettin' this Rather Serious One Posted for me durin' my WebTv Fiasco. It STILL isn'r "Recognized" by the New Board's security system...but guess it IS High Time to arrive at the Info Age, albeit Kickin' & Occasionally Screaming...heh!
DO have a Very UN-Serious Lyric to Post...soon as I thank evabody on this'n' & get the cramps outta my Pinkies! (Like I emailled ya, the UN-Serious Ones get ALL the Replies...just you watch..heh-heh!)
Hope ya had a Merry Christmas..& get Real Healthy in this Up-Comin' New Year, Amigo! Thanks for this Wonnaful New Site I'm finally gettin' around to Exploring! Door's Allus Open/Lite's Allus On..when you're anywhere's Near Tampa Town!
Big Thankful Guy-Hug, Stan
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HiDee Mz Gem!
Sure Missed Ya..& Alla the Board 3 Babes...whilst me & my WebTv endured our Week Unexpectedly "Away"...
I hadn't actually "figured things out" when this got posted...Brian rescued me! It's taken a Week to get Christmas Clock Season behind us..& sufficiently entreat our Resident 22-yr-old to get a Crash Computer Course tonight!
So..another "Hat's Off" to Brian..& Son Max, tonight!
You Too, for the Kind Visit & Very Understanding Words.
Hope ya had a Very Enjoyable Christmas..& a Great New Year Ahead! Big Happy Hugs, Stan
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Good Eve, Relay Rick!
In My Family, Generation Past, it was My Favorite Uncle...who went "Both Ways"...fathering two really GORGEOUS Blonde Kissable Cousins of mine..raised 'em well, too, before his Marriage soured...temporarily..as he dealt with his Attracted-to-Men Side.
WAS about to reconcile with his wife when he was struck & killed by a car about a decade & a half ago. Over his lifetime, he was Head of YMCAs in Several Major Cities...so I guess he'd pass "The Christian Test" adequately-enough.
Life's pretty Complicated dealing with Pursuit of Happpiness. But I'm REAL Sure if there's a Heaven, he's Up There. Hope he bumps into Your Cousin & they have a Great Chat, eh?
Thanks for your Kind Words & Testimony, Amigo! Season's Best to Ya! Big Guy-Hug, Stan
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HiYa Lady L!
Yeah, it's Great to Be Back..& Hey, there's even a very Beautiful Picture of Ya to look at now..(Even if ya got kinda Squooshed Obliquely a Scosh..heh!) My son wants to put onea Mine in..but I'm waitin' for "'Nuther Nite"...I'd never get caught up Thankin' You tonight--he wants me to learn EVATHING all at once/I've hadda remind him how Tired & Elderly his Ole Man IS this eve!
"He" isn't "The Myth"....HOW his Parents PERCEIVE Him IS the Myth. (He's in-process of Departing AGAIN...without Shattering ANY of Their Illusions..primarily as An Act of Love towards them.)
And..while I personally find this "Deception" to be Near-Tragic, I find it to be a Very Admirable Thing..on the part of The Son there. JMO. of course.
Thanks for your Kind Words & Beautiful Visit, & hope ya had a Very Merry Christmas & The New Year Blesses Ya with Fine Lyrics Galore!
Big Belated Hugs, Stan
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Welcome back, stan Since there's no guarantees for tomorrow, thought i should make a quick comment about the "myth" line. Well, just glimpsed above and see you did too lady L (whoever that is). To me, there has to be an acceptance on the part of the mythbelievers, despite at least a hint of something avering the contrary. You've given no reason for them to think he's anything other than what they've always believed/assumed. I went home for Christmas. My mother hasn't seen me with a woman in 15 years or better. Everything was wonderful as usual. I came home alone. So...I'm not a myth. But, if I'd decided to switch teams at some point, and had a guy waiting here, she'd have kissed a "myth" goodbye? Sounds more than slightly askew. That's what I'm talking about. I don't think there'll ever come a day when 100% (or even close)of the people are comfortable with this issue. Give you a quick case in point. I never HEARD of guys digging guys like that until the summer between my soph/jun year in high school. The following February, we were in the regional basketball tourney, and (I forget the details, been awhile, I was fifteen)my best bud and I got word the coach at the school we were playing was homosexual. We put our uniforms on at Reggie's house (under our clothes). The game wound up going 2 overtimes (we lost), neither of us ever got to sit down, so we couldn't have been more sweat-soaked. Well, we put our clothes directly over our unis again and plowed out into the 15 degree night air to his dad's car. Bottom line, though I've not thought about it in forever, my feeling in that regard hasn't much changed. I would STILL be upset if I knew a guy was checking me out in the shower. It distorts things so much. Ask me if I'd LOVE to have been able to watch the girls shower! I KNOW you woulda!!  Now, supposedly due to luck (or unluck) of the draw, a male who desires males, gets all the free pops he wants. Yep, it distorts things is what it does.... Ben
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I absolutely love the TAG, {{{Stan}}}... wow, so very profound. You know I love you, Stan, always have. I love your sense of humor, your wit, your cleverness, and all those great tongue-in-cheek lyrics you've written. BUT, I absolutely love it when you show your serious side. And you do it so well. It definitely keeps us all on our toes. As you may or may not know, my sister is gay. She came out about 6 years ago to my parents. I've known it for decades, though it was always unspoken. For a minute, my parents FLIPPED out. The good, God-fearing Catholics they are. But when it all simmered to a boil, I merely said to my father, "Do you love Shelly?" Of course he said yes. And I replied, "Then you love her NO MATTER WHAT. A parent can't possibly shut that off. Now, stop with the Archie Bunker mentality and GET OVER IT!" As simple as that sounds, that's really truly all it took. They have accepted her ever since, and her galfriend, Jaci. My folks treat Jaci just like they treat my husband and my brother's wife, like family. I'm sorry for the sadness this gentleman had to endure. The ones who really missed out were his folks. I love this, Stan. And you for writing it. {{{Big Hugz!!}}}  Tink
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I love you too Stan! {snif} (of course, I mean that in a purely heterosexual, manly, professional, and otherwise politically-correct way...)  And this is one of the reasons why. Way to stir the stink!  You've once again done a great thing! May the upcoming year provide you with an endless supply of sticks to poke things with! Uncle Chuck P.S., T.S... have you been getting my emails on that new computer of yours? I haven't heard back from you... Maybe I've got an old addy?
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Stan, Good morning and it's good ta see ya again. I really like this one here. I get it. It works. Great job.
Happy New Year to ya!
Dave
"Where there's a Gill, there's a way"
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HiDee ShayneMeister, and Thankee for the Kind Words & Visit!
Happiest of New Years to Ya, Big Guy-Hug, Stan
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Hi Again, Bro Ben (& Hey, Stick Around this Planet Amigo...You're Needed Here!)...
I think ALL of us are a Bit "Mythical"..especially as Our Parents View Us. Most Mainly See Us "At Our (Hopeful) Best"...& most of us are REALLY a Lot More "Human" than we'll Openly Admit to 'Em.
As for "Gay Experiences" (And the "Fearsome Effect" it just MIGHT have On Ya) I think you've WAY overreacted in your Annecdote about The Coach. But you seem to Better Understand it now..to a point. Nothing I know will "MAKE you Gay"...it's truly Innate rather than Learned Behaviour. It doesn't "Rub Off". How do I know? Simple: My best buddy & I were mildly-molested by a Gay Guy when we were age 7. My Buddy's married & fathered 3 kids, adopted 3 more. I've married & fathered 2 sons. Neither of us has EVER lusted for a Guy in bed...& it's been over 50-some-years.
As for the Shower Scene: So What? By now, you've been to a few Titty Bars & done the Same "Voyeur" Bit..albeit with Chicks..& What HARM was ever Done? Back when I travelled with my Army Uniform On I got "Hit On" rather frequently, but no gay-bashin' was ever necessary...I just replied "I'm flattered you're interested, but I'm heterosexual as all-get-out."
I, personally, don't think the nude male body's ALL That Beautiful, but Michealangelo did..& did justice to it with "David"..which I admitedly admire as a Work of Art. (I'd much rather admire a Female Form..& often do.) As for folks being "Comfortable" with Male Nudity, might as well be...we're about 50% of What's Out There.
"Comfort Levels" on Gay Folks certainly Vary..but they're about 5-10% of What's Out There, too. & they're certainly not ALL that Different from You or I. Science has yet to come up with a "Gay Gene"...I tend to think it's perhaps they were the Opposite Sex in a Previous Lifetime...since I tend to believe in Reincarnation. (& maybe THAT's why Christianity feels So Threatened by gays?) I dunno.
I'll close by sayin' I HAVE watched gals in the Shower...back in College Days. Took a Red Cross Water Safety Instructor Course (Co-ed)...& the ancient College Pool had Locker Rooms built back-to-back for Guys vs Gals. Lotta holes drilled in wall underneath the lockers/Great View of gals exitin' the shower facilities. Big Cheer allus went up when the Little Redhead Gal exited in the Mist...DAYUM was she ever RED evawhere it counted. I'm sure the gals eventually caught on, but they never failed to take a Great Shower the whole Semester..& we Future Lifeguards sure enjoyed taking that course!
No Lives were altered..or lost. Not EVERY Guy raced to the holes in the wall, either..tho admittedly, we-uns DID make fun of 'em a bit.
Gotta Scoot. Hope you're feelin' healthier today, & don't be afraid to hug a Guy now-&-then---the Europeans do it daily!
Big Guy-Hug, Stan
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HiDee {{{TINKY!}}}
GREAT to hear from ya, Foxy Lady!
I've prolly forgotten your mentioning your Sis earlier..but what ya said to your Folks was Absolutely Wonnaful (& Brilliant, besides!)
It does amaze me that there ARE so many Archie Bunkers STILL walkin' the face of this Planet. But...I reflect on what my Great Grandparents considered "Moral"...& guess we're ALL prolly headed to Hell in a Handbasket when judged by what THEY considered "Decency". (I, for instance, think it's kinda Idiotic Behaviour to Tattoo Yourself from Head-to-Toe..but just TRY to sell a Hard Rock CD these days wearing Anything Less....)
So I guess that makes me a Conservative Liberal, eh? ;-)>
Give your Sis & Folks a Big {{{Hug}}} for Me, eh? & an Extra {{{Biggie}}} for yo-Self, Kind & Brilliant Lady!
Thanks for the Great Annecdote & Visit, IoWunnaful One! 'Nuther {{{HUG}}}} Stan
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Aw, you little HOTTIE, you...(hee-hee...some of the DAMNDEST Rumors get started with little Jokes Like These..) ;-)>
Seriously, Bro..I think those of us who are fairly Secure with Our Masculinity CAN make great fun of all the Homophobic Nature of our society. It's just not as much fun for the ones who ARE Gay..& this was the Thrust of what I meant to say in this lyric.
THANKS for your Beautiful Christmas Card, Amigo! I didn't get any out this year & feel Real Guilty about it...haveta send ya a Pair Next year, OK? Maybe I'll pen a Song about that, for Penance..real soon!
Appreciate your Kind Visit & Words! Best Wishes for a Great & Happy New Year! Big Guy-Hug, Stan
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HiDee Bro Dave!
Jus' Doin' My Job, openin' Ears & Eyes a bit.
Man, these Computer Keypads are tricky...but I'm catchin' On... (tho NOW. La Femme wants her Computer BACK so she can do the Bookkeepin'..)
Gotta Scoot, but first a THANK-YOU & a Big Guy-Hug. Stan
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Stanley!
You really know how to shoot straight (no pun intended...really!) when comes to the serious side of touchy issues. Like your song a lot. I could tell you a great story about a good freind of mine and Helen's who lives in the Tulsa, OK area. He is well-known at a major Hollywood studio for his computer graphics in some well-known movies. He is legally married and his wife is a very popular novelist. He is exclusively gay and she goes both ways. Their marriage is a cover-up for professional reasons, plus tax reasons...but mostly professional. In more than 15 years of marriage, they have never been mutually intimate. He probably would not care if the whole world knew. But, her readership is extensive, having sold over ten million books. Because they fear what it could do to her writing career, they keep it secret from all but their closest friends. She writes under a Pen Name. But, I would not be comfortable putting her real name out in the event someone knew.
Have to go along with TINK about your tag...it is incredibly powerful! But, just in general, it usually is a very smart thing to go along with the lovely and talented TINK...don'tcha think? After having read through it 3 times, don't really find anything to nit. Good job! Happy New Year, my friend.
Alan
PS: Just a secondary thought...after 23 years in the Army, my body has probably been seen nude by more men than women! For those of you who have not been in the military, the showers do not have stalls...they're community showers...8 - 12 shower heads in a huge open area. At least that's how it was when I was in. I retired in 1988, do could be different now.
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Good Eve, Bro SideGuy!
I'm Honored that both You & Tinky like my Tag... (I'll have to Credit The Deity for that'n...I truly Prayed a Bit for Something Worthy to end this one with, & POW, there it was on the Tippa my Ballpoint, almost Too-Dern-Easily-Acquired.) The REST took about 3 days to write/MOST rarely do.
In my Heart-of-Hearts, the Guy I penned this about'll give a copy of it to his Parents...Someday...when The Time is Right. (Tink had SUCH a Great Annecdote...as do you, I'll add!) So I'll email him alla this Post...soon...& hope he can make use of it..Someday!
I think a LOT of the Arts-ier Folk have tortured Sex Lives. But Angst worked so WELL for Edward Munch...and Oedipus would be Just Another Greek Play without MOM makin' Her Appearance... Doubt if any Two People really COULD agree on "What's NORMAL" these days. Your Friends seem to have really worked it all out pretty dern well--GREAT Tax Situation...No Questions Asked Vacations...Shared Housekeepin' Duties...(Who could ask More from a Marriage, eh?)
I became good friends with Set Director Jim Duffy during the "COCOON" Movie Shoot in St. Pete. Jim & his Partner, Ted Lake, were openly gay/definitely A Couple/Very Successful in L.A. (Ted did sets for "Fantasy Island", etc, etc, etc. Their Bathroom Wall was covered in License Tags from all the Productions they'd worked sets on.) I went to L.A. to pitch songs several times & stayed at their really-spiffy mountainside Sherman Oaks home as their guest.
My second trip out, I took along a Country Gospel Singer Chum of mine who headed up our Local Songwriter's Club. DIDN'T know he was Homophobic until we reached Jim's Front Door...& I'd forgotten to mention Jim & Ted were gay. The chum barricaded himself in our bedroom...locked himself in the bathroom whenever he got dressed...& allus left in a BIG hurry each morning we left to pitch. Got to be (thank God) a Big Joke amongst my friends there..who were as-faithful to each other as any Hererosexual Couple I've ever met.
Hey, ya remember those Piss Tubes back in the Nam? Big Ol' Empty Artillery Casings stuck in the Sand, with a little bitty bit of corrugated tin roofin' wrapped around the Perimiter of the thing for "modesty"..& you'd be standin' there (Pretty-well Exposed) and the GALS would walk by? War's sure hell...I never minded the Guys, but we had Nurses and Vietnamese Gal Staffers to contend with in Base Camp! Nudity never did bother me...but Urinatin's STILL a Private Party, IMO. (Ah, the Hangups that follow us all thru our Adult Lives, eh?)
Time to Shaddup & Post & go watch some TV with La Femme! Thanks for the Kind Visit & Annecdote, Amigo! Best Wishes for a Great & Happy 2007, Al & Helen! Big Hugs, Stan
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Hi Stan, After reading this lyric, I actually ended up feeling sorry for his parents! This guy is making a huge assumption that his parents will not love him anymore, or be heartbroken, if they know the truth. Here was my thought process about it.... Even though this guy feels that his parents are narrow-minded, obviously, the parents are such caring and loving people that this man cares deeply about keeping them in his life. If they were otherwise, then why would he care so much, or, at the very least, why would he care to keep going home for a visit? Many people simply move away and don't go home to "bad" parents. So, because he keeps WANTING to go home, I'm assuming that they're pretty decent people. Thus, killing the love of a loving parent is almost impossible to do. If he hasn't even given them the chance to respond, how in the world does he know how they're going to react? They certainly might have expressed strong feelings about gay people, but...this is their son. My nephew, for instance, just went to jail last month for credit card fraud related to his heroin addiction. On any given day in the past, I might have given the impression that I wouldn't be too happy with anyone I know committing credit card fraud. That being said...he is my nephew and I love him. Also, his parents might be happier to know that their son loved them and trusted them enough to confide in them, than they are sad that their son is gay. It seems very presumptious and haughty of him to think that he has the power to ruin his parents' lives simply because he lives his life a certain way. In the end, they may care more about his honesty and openness with them more than they care about anything else. Who knows, really? If someone is scared to tell his parents something, I completely understand that. However, to simply assume that your parents will react in a certain way, and to blame them for this....it just doesn't make me feel much sympathy for anyone except the parents. Also, I believe that whenever we hide the truth from someone, it is tempting to blame the person that we're hiding it from, instead of looking inwardly at some of the deeper reasons that we may be hiding the truth. Just wanted to give you my spin on this, and how the song might strike some people. Glad to see you posting on the new system!!  Lisa
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