|
7 members (texritter, Gary E. Andrews, bennash, Fdemetrio, 3 invisible),
77,466
guests, and
5,533
robots. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Welcome to the Just Plain Folks forums! You are currently viewing our forums as a Guest which gives you limited access to most of our discussions and to other features.
By joining our free community you will have access to post and respond to topics, communicate privately with our users (PM), respond to polls, upload content, and access many other features. Registration is fast, simple, and absolutely free; so please join our community today!
|
|
|
|
Riot Fest
by Gary E. Andrews - 06/21/26 10:51 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hard-Fi
by Gary E. Andrews - 06/19/26 06:43 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,963
Top 100 Poster
|
OP
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,963 |
Hey gang,
I've seen them in other folks' lyrics but have no clue just what they're supposed to be. What is a lift?
Charlann
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 6,403
Top 40 Poster
|
Top 40 Poster
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 6,403 |
Think of it as the on-ramp to a bridge. Ain't never used one, myself.
Joe
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,116
Top 100 Poster
|
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,116 |
To me, a "lift" is a few words or lines that help the flow from verse into the chorus. They aren't part of either, but help that transition. Not sure if that's how others see it.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,788
Top 40 Poster
|
Top 40 Poster
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,788 |
It's the thing that goes under your car so you can change the tire.
Actually Mary Lou defined it quite nicely. A lift can be very helpful in a song. It's usually a little build (hence lift) taking you from the verse to the chorus in a more contrasting way than had you gone directly from verse to chorus. The word "lift" is also used interchangeably with the word "build".
To lift or not to lift, that is the question.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 13,618
Top 10 Poster
|
Top 10 Poster
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 13,618 |
I have only ever seen it used in lyrics, or lead sheets, and never, as I recall, in sheet music. I take it as a word's person's indication of where the head tune (even when they don't realise they have one) is heading. Musically, it can be seen by the change in sheet music instructions. A change of time signature, or noise level indication maybe. Graham
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 29,275
Top 10 Poster
|
Top 10 Poster
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 29,275 |
HiDee Mz C!
A "Lift".."Ramp" or "Climb" is a Small Bit of Lyric & Music that elevates ya from Verse to Chorus. Kinda Builds your Velocity-cum-Mood a bit more than JUST goin' "Bare" from Verse-to-Chorus.
Best Example I can think up this eve is maybe Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side"...
(VERSE) Blah-Blah-Blah
(LIFT:) "And the Colored Girls Sing"...
(CHORUS/REFRAIN) Boop-de-Doop...etc.
Sorry I got Nothin' Better comin' to mind...but that's The General Idea. It's kinda like a Shift from 1st to 2nd Gear, gettin' ready for Third to come in Real Strong.
Try Some..they're often More Exciting Writing.
Big Hugs, Stan
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 10,330
Top 10 Poster
|
Top 10 Poster
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 10,330 |
I think it is also called a pre-chorus.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,963
Top 100 Poster
|
OP
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,963 |
thanks everyone! I had absolutely no clue!
You've all been a big help!
Charlann
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 4,037 Likes: 1
Top 100 Poster
|
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 4,037 Likes: 1 |
Mornin' Charlann - Tampa Stan gave a great definition of a lift. I use a lift in the song I submitted for this week's Mentor Forum, Falling From Your Grace - the last line of the verses leading into the chorus vocally and musically rise, to build the energy to the chorus.... it's a clue that "something's comin'"  I believe sometimes the terms "lift" and "pre-chorus" are used interchangably. A pre-chorus sets up the chorus ... so does the lift, but the lift must do what it says ... So, I think a lift is a pre-chorus, but a pre-chorus may not always be a "lift". I brought this song earlier to an NSAI critique and the over-all comment was my lift didn't lift musically ... I needed to re-write the music there to build into the chorus... I haven't been back to a critique since I made the change, so I am not 100% sure I accomplished my goal  ... but that was the goal ... It's on my soundclick page if you would like to take a listen. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=100751Joanne
Last edited by Joanne Lurgio; 04/27/07 11:48 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,461 Likes: 47
Top 200 Poster
|
Top 200 Poster
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,461 Likes: 47 |
I'm reminded of a song I heard on the original Shrek soundtrack. The song is titled "Hallelujah". It was written by Leonard Cohen and performed by John Cale. It actually describes the lift in the first verse as it's being sung.
"Where there's a Gill, there's a way"
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 7,157 Likes: 27
Top 40 Poster
|
Top 40 Poster
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 7,157 Likes: 27 |
Isn't LIFT a British term for elevator.LOL
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,463
Top 20 Poster
|
Top 20 Poster
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,463 |
Hey Everett You beat me to it. Shucks... JIM
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 2,096
Top 100 Poster
|
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 2,096 |
A lift is musical; not lyrical. It channels the energy upward from the verse into the chorus.
When I teach my songwriting classes, this is what I use as a great example of a lift (or channel, or pre-chorus...all the same thing):
"You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling" (Mann, Weil)
VERSE You never close your eyes any more when I kiss your lips And there's no tenderness like before in your fingertips
LIFT You're tying hard not to show it But Baby, Baby, I know it...
CHORUS You've lost that......etc
From the first note of the lift, it keeps going, up, up until it climaxes at the first note of the chorus.
Also, note how the first note of the chorus lands on the second count of the measure. The music allow that first chord to "land" hard (BOOM...you've lost that lovin...) before the singing starts. Brilliant.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 2,891 Likes: 6
Top 100 Poster
|
Top 100 Poster
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 2,891 Likes: 6 |
A lift is a technique used to provide greater pay-off for the chorus. Imagine a chorus is a piece of chocolate  , however you are not sure if there will be any chocolate  . The lift tells you that there is chocolate  and what's more you are about to get some  Nige
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,963
Top 100 Poster
|
OP
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,963 |
Thanks Nigel!
That is one definition that I can truly relate to! I love the imagery!
Charlann
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,963
Top 100 Poster
|
OP
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,963 |
I want to thank everyone for their responses! You are all wonderful mentors for me!
Charlann
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 4,037 Likes: 1
Top 100 Poster
|
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 4,037 Likes: 1 |
Nigel ... I agree ... I like the "chocolate" analogy ... hmmmm come to think of it ... I could probably relate chocolate to many facets of my life  Joanne
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 2,009 Likes: 2
Top 200 Poster
|
Top 200 Poster
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 2,009 Likes: 2 |
Think of it as the on-ramp to a bridge. I like your description but I'd say it's an on-ramp to a chorus, not a bridge. I think people also call it a pre-chorus. It is a rather effective songwriting technique. A build-up for the chorus. I'd suggest reading some good songwriting books for in-depth info.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 457
Top 500 Poster
|
Top 500 Poster
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 457 |
I've always called it a launch ramp myself. Like the thing Thunderbird 2 uses to get to the chorus.....LOL!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,639
Top 100 Poster
|
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,639 |
I want to thank TrumanCoyote for actually giving an example of a "lift" in a song we all probably know- "You've Lost that Loving Feeling"- a song that I understand never made it to number 1 on about 3 popular releases- the best and most famous being the release by the Righteous Brother's.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein
|
|
|
|
We would like to keep the membership in Just Plain Folks FREE! Your donation helps support the many programs we offer including Road Trips and the Music Awards.
|
|
|
Forums118
Topics128,699
Posts1,184,505
Members21,478
| |
Most Online148,207 May 25th, 2026
|
|
|
"Do not endeavor to be the smartest kid in a dumb class. Instead, you are better off being the dumbest kid in the smartest class, where you will be challenged and you will learn. If you aren't growing, you are dying." -Brian Austin Whitney
|
|
|
There are no members with birthdays on this day. |
|
|
|