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Arkansas Got Talent Country and Gospel Music Talent Search is on the agenda for February 21st in Nashville Arkansas at the El Berta Arts Center , The Gospel Music search will be at 2 PM and the Country will be at 4 PM.Main Concert at 7PM. Go to web site for prize info. Grand Finale' Airs live in CATV channel 18 in Fayetteville Arkansas.
www.freewebs.com/arkansasgottalent
You don't have to be from Arkansas to enter $50.00 entry fee.
Deadline Feb. 14th, 2009.
Call 918-790-2876 Baker Family Productions Inc.

Folks, you gotta check out this web site. Just the spelling will make you laugh. $50? Hey bookingagent7, tell me this is a joke. Ben

"There are 2 catigories Solist and Groups/ back groud"

It's great! At least they spelt "talent" right. (I wonder if they realized it.) If it weren't for the fifty-buck entry fee, it'd be tempting to send them one of my Gospel songs--"Born Again Barbie," maybe, or "Can I Have Your Car When the Rapture Comes?"

Joe

"Any Family members of Baker Family Productions can enter"

Ever hear the term conflict of interest?

I wonder if the kinfolks have to fork over fifty bucks too! If only my own family were so industrious.

Geez oh Marie... I wish you "Nashvillians" had not come here to JPF and cause these good folks to believe all Arkansawyers are illiterate bumpkins... LOL! As a former Texarkanian it wounds me that you guys show up here with just one post and destroy all the credibility I have created here... in just one fell swoop!

You need to know that these folks are highly educated musicians, politicians, travelling salespersons and purveyors of real music. I can vouch that not many JPF'rs have fallen off the old turnip truck and would be willing to fork over $50 bucks for a contest that will probably net the entrants a boot in the posterior and a hearty hi-yo silver... as you guys ride away into the sunset.

If your intentions were honorable... come back and re-explain yourselves properly (use a spell checker for Pete's sake) and then continue to post and share war stories with us here. Once we get to know you, you'll discover we have hearts of gold... but not much else... 'cause we're struggling our way up the ladder to the other Nashville and don't have much change.

Welcome to JPF.

Dave

Maybe the Baker family will spend the $50 on education. Money well spent. Just how much is a mechinacle licence? I have wanted to get my hands on a mechinacle for ages. Do they still make them and what kind of bullets does it use?

Kinda sad that any gospel minister should NEED a manager. I thought GOD was the manager. LOL
http://www.freewebs.com/arkansascountrygospellegendshow/bakerfamilyproductions.htm

The fact that this group are a family is at least one "production" too many already.

Dave is right. The contest is "Arkansas Got Talent," not "Arkansas got Spelling."

I am curious (without wanting to spend the $50, which is a bit steep) to see how it comes out, and whether a member of the Baker Family does win. If so, it might well be a viable and replicable business model.

Big Jim, you're right, too. For a minister, God is the manager. That guy/gal with the "manager" title is really a street teamer, and if you're marketing the Word of God, you need those as badly as the secular musician on the make does. Christ himself had 12, I believe.

Happy new year, everybody.

Joe

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Like a box full of fifty dollar bills!

..AND the "Grand Over All Prize Winner gets free studio time in Garland Texas." (But, rememberin' The Rules, has to PAY for his/her travel there...) How far away IS Garland Tex. from Ark., anyways? (Better hope gas stays cheap awhile..heh!)

So WHO breaks the "Ties" if Your Act gets the Same Votes as a Baker Family Member?

Just Curious...

Best Wishes to Da Winners,
Stan

I remember some other Bakers that had a church thing going on.
Tammy Fay and her husband.
Wonder if they are realted!
The fifty dollar entry fee is probably used for the air conditioned dog house.
Anyone else remember that mess?

Jim and Tammy Faye's last name was actually "Bakker" with two k's. I worked for the Trinity Broadcasting Network for seventeen years and was there during all of the big religious scandals of the 80's and 90's.

Because of my former affiliation with TBN, I admit I have a very warped view of organized religion, so I try to stay out of religious threads on this board.

I'm sure you've all noticed that is a free website sub domain.
At 50 bones a head one would think they could afford a real website.
Jeez, my hosting plan is only about $30.00 a year with 1 TB of storage and 10TB transfer but, I forgot, there's that pesky domain name fee too.


Oh and notice this? If??? Remember you're going to be reponable.

Hey Dak if it was not for free websites where would we get the laughs. To these hicks $50 is a kings ransom.

If all you have to do is make fun of someone then don't look at the site. Even News Papers make mistakes. I am very sorry that you have such a since of unsecurity that you can't understand that people makes mistakes. I forgive you for being so mean , I am a very sucessful singer and producer, people like you have a problem. How many songs of your have made it on a billboard chart? I will go and put a . after the $50.00 Entry Fee.
I will turn this over to my lawyer for slander if you post anything like this again. I don't fool around with people like you and neither does God.

I didn't know that people could be so cruel to others , I am a Christian and made a small mistake, by not putting a . on a sentence, If that's all you have to do is be mean, then do it to someone that needs it, or maybe just bring it to the persons attention, I have an endorsement from our former Gov. and I don't have to answer to anyone.We are a LEGAL NON-PROFIT CORPORATION and use what money we make to help artist. TV air time is high, and so is studio time. Like I said, any of you don't need to be judging me or my ministry, and sweep out from your own back door, since i don't know who you are , I can't point fingers at your little mistakes. I'm not that kind of person.

Why don't you do something for some poor person that's hungry or sick, go volunteer at the local homeless shelter and do good insted of being mean to a person that you don't even know. Don't you have something better to do than be cruel? would you like someone saying and making fun of your spouse?

You people are really something else.
And NO I'm Not kin to Jim Bakker, But I know his production manger. You guy's might be sucessful with your talent if you spent more time with it as you have condeming my web site. It's none of your business about my site and if it free or not. If the truth was known you have a my space and it's free.

I didn't put this info on this site to be condemed, maybe your not good enough for a manger, God gives people a anoiting to be managers like He does anything else. I have better things to do than give my time to mean cruel people like you, and it seems to be all men.

You Know Dave, I have client that is very sucessful in the Christian Country genre' of music , (no way as mean and cruel as the others are i would ever tell you who)that has songs on the billboard chart. I helped her and gave her wisdom, and she has made it. It seems like the ones who has been cruel is still struggling to get to the top. I am educated, but just made 2 mistakes while typing at 2 AM in the morning. I'm just wondering if these guys like any of Arkansas famous people. My cousin is the one who nominates the artist from Arkansas that is national know, You never know who your talking bad about. Last year Sonny Burges an the Pacers were inducted, last time it was Colin Ray, & Ronnie Dunn. Charlie Rich, Johnny Cash,has also, and lot's more. I am pulling for Johnny Cashes sister to be inducted this next time.I met her at a music festival in Jefferson Texas.
God Bless to you and hope that you are sucessful. It helps to have a good heart.

I hope this doesn't come off as too harsh.. please read it as it is intended .. just an attempt at an explanation, and Maybe even a little bit of advice..Not everyone here is cruel or mean spirited, but when someone comes in without much experience on the board, and tries to use it as a vehicle for a business proposal they should expect SOME scrutiny... after all, everyone makes mistakes, but knowing that, MOST people use spellcheck , or a proofreader before they put something out in the public to represent a commercial endeavor.. I truly wish you the best of luck, but please learn from the experience.. It may have been a harsh welcome, but the people here really are just trying to look out for eachother and protect the group as a whole from a proposal that doesn't SEEM to have an AIRE of legitimacy... Just like a songwriter would do on one of the songwriting forums.. take the criticism and learn from it , and make your next effort better.. .. use a spell check, or ask someone to proof read your text, then maybe run the idea by a few of the people here and get some advice and opinions on HOW BEST to present it, and make it work...

again WELCOME TO THE BOARDS, and BEST OF LUCK TO YOU!

P.S> I carefully read all the post in this thread again , and there isn't anything that could even be stretched into slander..


try to view this whole thing from the other persons shoes.. WHEN I give everyone the benefit of the doubt.. YOURSELF , AND the rest of the posters on this thread, I can see WHY they would be skeptical of your promotion.. as an OBJECTIVE observer, you should also be able to see WHY someone would question the validity and value of your offer when it is presented as such.. PLEASE REALIZE that there are SEVERAL spelling and grammatical errors on your site as well as in the posts that follow.. NO BIG DEAL .. I DO THE SAME MYSELF OFTEN, BUT if I were to make a marketing piece (WHICH I DO FOR MY BUSINESS OFTEN) KNOWING that I am not perfect, I spellcheck, then proofread, THEN have someone else proofread, etc etc, AND if it still has mistakes, I understand if it undermines MY credibility.. that's just the nature of things... I would suggest making some contacts here, getting a feel for the people, letting THEM get to know YOU, and getting to know the "lay of the land" and THEN try marketing your opportunities here.. You will probably get a better response that way... (just my opinion)

OK Here is my take. We are a group of songwriters who OFTEN get spams and scammers come on here trying to cheat us out of money.
You come on here in the classic spammer way. You go one further not only do you post in every forum but you send everyone a PM. WHETHER YOU ARE LEGIT OR NOT THAT IS JUST NOT NICE. It would have been far better and NICER if you came on here introduced yourself and told us a bit about yourself and your operation.

We just had a bit of fun as this MO is a constant annoyance on this site. Most if not all of the people who post like you are crooks. They are usually foreign and as English is not their first language are prone to the kind of spelling errors that are abundant in your posts. ALARM BELLS rang and as far as I am concerned are still ringing.

Re helping people. Well I do a lot of charity work and I know that others on this site do as well. I would never laugh at people who cannot read or write properly or have a poor education. That said people who scam or spam are fair game. People who prey upon the weak and defenceless deserve all they get.
Re God..... well to imply that god is on your side and will get us for daring to put YOU DOWN is IMO just plain stupid and no TRUE god fearing person should even think that way. That shows a complete lack of knowledege and understanding of the teachings of the BIBLE. I never pay much attention to anyone in business who implies that his business is morally OK or he is a "better" person because he is a Christian. Some of the most corrupt business people I have ever met are bible thumping churchgoers.
Now if you want us to take you seriously apologise for your behaviour, tell us more about you and your operation and prove to us that you are legit.

Thanks, Big Jim. I agree wholeheartedly.

Joe

I don't owe no one nothing on this site, I didn't know that this site was like this, I thought I would just let people know about my ministry. All the people who has intered our search has been very sucessful, We spend alot of our own money, that my husband works for as a truck driver. Fifty dollars isn't much money, and we don't make anything by the time we pay for cost to put on the show. I would of never said anything to these guys, but they started it, and of course I will defend myself. I am educated I write the country way I talk. I'm tired of this. I am asking all of you to quit.I don't see anything wrong with my site only 2 spelling erros. I will copy this and after i have ask you to stop and you don't i will turn it over to the cyber police. And yes I can turn it over to my lawyer, If I feel threaten and I do.

Do you have that number for the cyber police handy? Someone's been spamming the boards here.

no one has threatened you... You WERE PUT DOWN by some, and made fun of .. THERE ARE A TON of spelling and grammatical errors on ALL of your posts.. <there are at least two in the first two sentences..> IT IS REALLY poorly done as far as spelling and grammar go (NOT A PUT DOWN, JUST constructive criticism)( no need to be apologetic about that, just fix it, or have someone else fix it if you can't take the ridicule..)<or at least acknowledge it and TRY to fix it on the website> spelling and grammatical errors are some of the most common errors WE ALL make, and there are ALWAYS people that will HELP you fix them...(THAT'S ONE of the great things about this site!!! NOT ONLY is it a free place to communicate TO others, but they can actually GIVE YOU feedback!)

I tried to be polite and offer good advice, and you didn't even acknowledge MY post... I commend you IF you are trying to do what you say you are trying to do, I just want you to do it in a way that will get you the response that it deserves...

YOU DON'T OWE anyone that was rude any explanations, or justifications, BUT you owe it to yourself, AND to those who legitimately MAY be interested in your offer, YOu OWE YOURSELF and those you intend to serve the BEST of what you can offer to dispel any and all skepticism. I THINK THAT would be the way to serve YOUR cause.. don't take it personally.. just try to improve.. SOME of us understand that you (like the rest of us) are a flawed human, and don't hold that against you, but to do justice to your cause you HAVE to let go of the attitude, and NOT give up on everyone so easily, based on the mockery of a few... I am sure that IF you handled it differently those that offended you would be the first to apologize about being insensetive... i COULD be wrong as I can only speak for myself.. Have a great day.. and again I TRULY welcome you to the boards, and wish you luck... (IT IS as much MY board <and yours for that matter> as it is theirs!)

that IS funny!!!

I love their records!!!

Yeah Coz, doesn't Sting sing with them. Who is this person posting all this vitriol. Is she saying that we have the audacity to insinuate that she is prevaricating. I does not think we do it. we is just questioning then those ms.peled woyds, ain't wees doin dat! LOL! Lighten up! Have some fun, babe.

OK As you obviously cannot spell. I will spell it out for you.
Go away and quit bothering. We are not interested. We do not suffer fools gladly especially if they LOOK DODGY and are trying to obtain money.
If people want a manager or promoter they usually want someone who knows the business, has a proven track record, can communicate and know what they are talking about. You do not appear to have any of these qualities.
You claim to be educated. Well you do a good job of hiding it. Your woeful childlike spelling and poor grammar plus a bad attitude does not instill any confidence. We do not need to make a fool of you. You are more than capable of doing that all by yourself.

You guys are so Meeeeeaaaaan.

But on the serious side.
A couple years ago there was a Publisher type came here and announced a contest and some other "Spam" like stuff.
We gave them a pretty hard time. I gave them a pretty hard time.
They left and never came back.

A few months later I saw them on the CMA's.

You never know who you are talking to or who is listening.

Hi Deborah:

I hope you understand where everyone is coming from (the members of JPF who responded) regarding your first post. We do get "hit" often by "one shot wonders" who post in order to attract people to their song or project... and never return again. We want you and others in the music industry... to belong here and participate with us. When I first posted here... the founder, Brian Austin Whitney was quick to call my bluff and tell me that my songs really needed work. He was right.

After I put some ointment on my wounds, I began to "lurk" here for awhile and finally got the nerve to return. These guys and gals will "pull your leg" but they really do have hearts of gold once you get to know them. Please forgive us if we have offended you... that is really not our purpose. We try to be somewhat protective of the "newbies" among us who might "bite" for something we don't believe has been proved to be in their best interests.

Please continue to participate and share your music related experiences with us... and we will provide you with our feedback. (Something all of us desperately need from time to time.)

Best,

Dave Rice

Kind of contradicting yourself there, aren't you?
By the way, there has been no slander anywhere in any of the posting I've read.

If you don't have enough money in your "ministry" there should certainly be someone within it who is Christian enough to sponsor your website and surely someone would be happy to donate the time and expertise to act as your web master and others to proofread and edit your text.

What I've found in my sixty odd years of existence is, generally, one's true Christianity is inversely proportionate to their hypocrisy.

That's all I had to read to know,,,,,you know.

God, I'm not afraid of. It understand me, as I understand it! Now, your lawyer!?!!!

Run Forest! Keep yer 50. SPAM. This is a networking site, not a fishing pond stocked for the taking!

I always figured if you had God, you didn't need any lawyers. The Big Guy himself was kinda down on lawyers, if I remember my New Testament right.

Joe

I think it was probably a bad idea to jump in and try marketing that way, but I also honestly think someone should have tried to proof the text for them, and tell them in very basic language WHAT they did that was received badly and why, and what the RIGHT move would have been. I don't fault anyone for their reaction, I think there is alot of wit in alot of the responses, but IF you give the person ANY benefit of the doubt, and actually LOOK into who they are and what they are TRYING to do, it MAY actually be a vuable asset to have on your side as far as being some one who is obviously NOT affraid to jump in head first and TRY something.. (granted if you are going to do that you should have thicker skin), BUT like I said. IF someone would have just actually entertained the idea that it was a legit attempt to do something OTHER then collect $50.00 and ALL THE OWNERSHIP RIGHTS to every entry for their contest, it is within the realm of possibilities that you would have found a well intentioned but unprepared person trying to create an actual opportunity...

just seems like people (all of US) are SOOO defensive !!!

Whether they are legit or not is a moot point. Would you give $50 to someone who posts like this? I have a simple rule..... people pay me if they want me to perform not the other way around. I certainly would not consider having anything to do with any promoter or manager who cannot use a spellcheck and has the education and mentality of an eight year old.

I would not give them 50 bucks for what they are doing now, but I would be willing to help them to deserve $50.00 (for future efforts )IF i COULD if I THOUGHT THEY WERE WELL INTENTIONED.

you help song writers that need help..why not "promoters...or bookiing agents, or managers.. whichever they are supposed to be... IF they realize they need help with spelling, and team up with someone to correct taht, MAYBE they are good idea people, Maybe they are good people people.. (JUST trying to find a benefit of a doubt, ya know)

I'll admit it is a stretch , based on their reaction, BUT... (just my opinion)

You are correct Kenneth I will help anyone who asks. If it is a project that is worthwhile or a truly nice person I will even go the extra mile. However so far this crew have demonstrated in every way that they are undeserving in every way. JMO.

If you mention God and lawyers out loud, it will split your tongue.

Jack, that prompts a lawyer joke.

Q.: Why don't sharks attack lawyers?
A.: Professional courtesy.

Joe

Yeah if God does not work your bidding get a good lawyer.

Funny, A couple of weeks ago there was construction happening on a church down the street, and for a couple of weeks all day long all you could hear was construction site sounds!!! My wife and I joked about suing The Lord, or taking him to... THE PEOPLES COURT! da dum duhm!

"there goes the Lord, upraging his House again.... always has to keep up with the Jones's"

Some of the richest opulent establishments and landowners are the Church.
I wonder what Jesus would have made of that. Hmmmm.

He already did. He talked about them lilies out in the field, and He also said that thing about fittin' a camel through the eye of a needle. I think after the Catholic church got property, they got a little selective about which parts of Christ's teachings they promoted.

joe

but he also did let the lady anoint HIS feet in expensive oil... 2 sides to every story!

True, Kenneth. Christ never said property was bad (the Franciscans got that wrong)--He just said if you had property, it was a challenge to be good. A lot of His parables involved rich people being generous, for instance.

Joe