JPF Home Page Forums General Messages General Message Forum I HATE Illinois Nazis!

This son of a b!tch is running for Congress in MY fucking district!
http://oaklawn.patch.com/articles/republican-congressional-candidate-says-holocaust-never-happened#c
Tell it to my cousin's father-in-law... the one with the numbers tattooed on his arm.
Motherfukker.

He would not get my vote. Maybe he belives in Flying Saucers. Maybe he belives 911 never happened or Pearl Harbor. Crazy.

My fav line from the Blues Brothers....."I hate Illinois Nazis" says it all.
The reps are scraping the barrel if this is THE BEST candidate they can put up in an election or maybe showing off their true colours.....he ducks for cover...LOL

The Nazis, a small group of men and women, misled millions of Germans to their deaths, millions more to being maimed and maddened, scarred physically and psychologically. Many Germans survived their misleadership but never really recovered. Many were 'estranged' from their children who asked troubling questions of their parents as to what their role in it had been. How do you explain that 'to try to opt out' of participation in the church-state alliance of Nazism was suicide.

Being very efficient, the Germans kept very good records, thanks to IBM punch-card machines. They enslaved 17 million people. They systematically slaughtered 11 million, 6 million of whom were Jews. They killed anyone accused of being Communist, trade unionists, homosexuals (although there were many in their ranks and, near the end of the war, there was a 'purge' of them, "...and..." the man in a documentary said, "there were a lot of them." Just where the 'purge' put them was not stated. Whether they were killed, or formed the core of a plan to enable the Nazis to escape and survive, is unknown. They would be good at keeping secrets. The Nazis' ODESSA, a global spy structure, became the base for the CIA in 1947. Nazi General Reinhard Gehlen became head of West German Intelligence until 1968. When the two Germany's unified, the East German Stasi Secret Police, Germans, stayed in charge.

They killed Protestants, Buddhists, atheists, American Indians, Muslims, Catholics who did not go along. Many did. Priests blessed what the Nazis were doing, rationalized it to their congregations. They gave the people scapegoats, someone to blame for their troubles, justifying what they wanted to do.

Writings of Eugenio Pacelli, Pope Pius XII, in the Vatican archives, rival Hitler for venom against Jews. Catholic 'Rat Lines', monasteries and convents, helped Nazis escape after the war. A Bishop Dragon and Pacelli issued passports and visas. They came to the U. S., Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, Africa, India, all over the Arab world. They had the loot of Europe and Asia to buy favor from organized criminal enterprises, from legitimate governments, from big companies. Just this week 2/2012, they found some of Hitler's paintings in a convent. Martin Boorman's son was found studying for the priesthood in a monastery.

Big companies gave them jobs, hiding places, around the world. They became heads of security. Nazi General Walter Dornberger became President of Bell Aerospace. Henry Ford was a favorite of Hitler. Hitler gave Ford's book, critical of Jews, to visitors to his office. Auschwitz concentration camp existed to supply slave labor to I. G. Farbenindustrie, which continued in business until the 1990's. Many companies have been sued for reparations for using people enslaved by the Nazis.

They killed anyone with a physical or mental defect, emptying homes for the mentally retarded, the mentally ill. If you disagreed with them, they declared you mentally ill, and, no matter how 'perfect' you were in their ideal, superman concept, they could throw you into the camps and ovens like all the other 'subhumans'. Who would dare to resist?

If they wanted your house, your wife, your children, they could get rid of you. Hitler's order was, "Send me your undesirables." It was irresistable power, absolute, corrupting absolutely.

Hitler Youth, 10 years old in 1945, would only be 67 years old in 2012. It is said Karl Rove's father was a Nazi. Arnold Swartzenegger's father was a Nazi soldier. John Shalikashvily, son of a high-ranking Nazi, became head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, in command of all U. S. military. Leni Riefenstahl, Hitler's propaganda filmmaker, died at age 90 or so, after living out her life in California. The wife of Krupp, the Nazi armorer who built the big guns, sold land near Las Vegas to the Howard Hughes entity. Nazi doctors practiced medicine and lived out their lives, probably in your home town.

The IBM punch cards were made in the United States and shipped to the Nazis. They made Eichmann's trains run on time, delivering soldiers and material to the front, slaves to the work camps, victims to the death camps. IBM technicians serviced the machines in the camps on a regular schedule. They kept very good records of the holocaust.

Book: IBM and the Holocaust
Book: Trading With The Enemy (re: U. S. laws governing rules of conducting commerce with the enemy during the war. )

All it takes is a few people to ascend to positions of leadership to begin misleading millions again.

Survivors from what, Mr Jones? How can there be survivors from something that (in your words) never happened?

I cannot ever get my head around how so many could be taken in completely by so few. When I see the old films showing masses of hysterical people at the Nazi rallies getting hyped up and the hero worship of Hitler at the time it amazes me. Obviously the vast majority of Germans were decent folk with decent morals so could not possibly condone in any way the holocaust and the atrocities....yet it happened.......folk must have know what was going on......why did so few do so little to stop it?....I do not believe that fear and the ability to keep secrets is the only answer....It takes many thousands to run the camps and stoke the ovens where millions died.

Happens all the time Big Jim. All you have to do is go to a Rock Concert to see it, or A Sporting event, or
or
or Oh dare I say it
American Politics.

And I do agree Pop, this guy should never be elected. Anyone who does not hold those people accountable is dangerous.

Decent people wouldn't vote for him, as long as they are aware of this. Keep the light on him. I pray for his soul.

I guess it's all about belief. When some people believe something is real, try telling them it isn't. Forget cold, hard logic, that goes out the window when someone is absolutely convinced they're right. Isn't it called delusion?

Maybe the rest of the sane world will say "Art Jones never happened".

This is a really sad and ridiculous deal. First, I'm offended that this fool can pose as a Republican but then Illinois is noted for it's corrupt politics on both sides of the aisle. Then to deny that the Holocaust happened should immediately provide this idiot with a one way ticket to take up residence in Auschwitz or any of the other infamous Nazi death camps.

Perhaps we should attempt to persuade our mealy-mouthed Congress to begin issuing deportation papers for folks who believe there is anything of value in the "sons of the swastika." Those who fought and died in WWII against this unholy alliance are no doubt turning in their graves.

The dumbing-down of America continues. Strutting master-race fools in complete denial of the truth. Sad. Really sad.

Hey Pop,

Why not tell us what you really think, lol. Yeah, the guy's an embarrassement to not only the Republican Party but America as a whole. Where do these idiots come from?

Stevie

My fear is that this guy or others like him could actually get elected......maybe even become president...imagine this moron with access to a NUKE....you may laugh...but Britain and USA have had some real idiots in charge.....
Whilst I am an advocate of free speach and freedom in general the public must be protected from extremists and delusional people.....we must ensure that only fit and proper persons have any kind of public office....or responsibility......the general public can be very stupid and have elected some real idiots into public office....and will continue to do so.
I have stated before that MOST politicians are corrupt or stupid or both.....I am yet to be proved wrong.

This man isn't representative of the Republicans and does not represent the Republicans. He has lost two elections and it's a pretty safe bet he will lose this one. Extremists such as he are usually not selected.

As we go through time though, America does become more and more extreme. The current controversy concerning birth control being distributed by religious organizations against their will to me is similar to China's control of people's lives through the "one child" policy. "Religion" in America generally means Christian and Christians generally see children as a heritage from the Lord. Women carry eggs to be fertilized and men carry sperm to fertilize the eggs. To force people to deny their choice to allow that natural act to happen is the same as the Chinese forcing people to have just one child.

That's extreme.

Of course this guy isn't representative of all Republicans or even conservatives. But should any of us be surprised he feels comfortable running as a Republican? When a Nazi sympathizer and Holocaust denier chooses to represent your party because he feels welcome there, it's well past time to fix your party.

Oh, and Sausagelink? Contraceptive drugs are used for more than just preventing pregnancy. It's used to control ovarian cysts, regulate difficult menstruation, and can reduce the risk of some kinds of cancers. It's not just about preventing pregnancies. But of course you knew that, right? Thanks for the 7th-grade biology lesson, though.

I doubt this a-hole cared one way or another which party he runs under and to insinuate the republican party would welcome him is insulting. I consider myself an independent but usually vote republican and I can assure you this guy would NEVER be welcome to my table.

I agree with Sausagelink on the nanny state issue. The percentage of women using contraceptives purely for medical reasons is small, but I believe most insurance does pay for it under those circumstances.
Personally I don't care what the church thinks about it. It's none of my business. I do care about the federal Government getting into the sex business though. Most women use Birth control so they can have sex without worry of getting pregnant. That's a good thing to have available. But the Federal government has no business deciding who will pay for it. There is no reason anyone should have to pay for birth control pills for a healthy college coed so she can have sex without worrying about getting pregnant. What's next? Are they going to require insurance companies should supply condoms to men.

scottandrew answered this well... but I felt I should add ... having birth control freely available so a woman (or couple) can CHOOSE when, and if she wants children (or more children) is about giving choice. Extremisim is about taking choice away...

The lack of morals the some Christians are suggesting occur because birth control is available, is a failing on their part, not the ability to make a choice. (Though I would disagree imorallity is any different now in normal society, than it ever was before birth control. just now there are less abandond/ abused unwanted children)

The desire to control people by taking away their freedom to choose is extreamism... like the church saying there should be no birth control.

Thanks Scott, I knew that it would be a matter of time before someone decided to start throwing dirt on this thread. This type of comment is the only reason why we don't have a political thread anymore. You couldn't help youreself could you?

For one thing, the opening comment was vulgar, no way to express your anger on a public forum (sorry Todd).

This is an explosive subject and in my opinion doesn't belong on a music related forum at all. If I were a moderator and really cared about bringing in new members, this thread would be locked before things get out of control. Just my opinion.

Bath time now, Ben

Yes I knew that Scottandrew. The ratio of women given birth control for cysts, menstruation, and cancer reduction is probably equal to the ratio of drivers who drive drunk. Lots of drivers, relatively few drunks. Lots of birth control, relatively few who take it for anything other than birth control.

Freely available is a good thing ..... but this isn't free, is it? No, it's part of a nationally mandated insurance program. Which, by the way, I believe insurance should cover birth control pills just as it covers other prescriptions. My point wasn't about the birth control aspect at all. It was about THE GOVERNMENT TELLING RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS THEY MUST VIOLATE THEIR PRINCIPLES AND PROVIDE BIRTH CONTROL. Read what I wrote again. Yall aren't stupid.



You can really only control people through enforced law, and the only law involved in this issue is the new law that says religious organizations must provide birth control.

Now, about immorality today vs. immorality in the past, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Do you think it's different or do you not think it's different?

I know this....I was born in 1956 to an unwed mother. My father was already married to someone else. So, believe me, I know it happens. I've got the birth certificate to prove it.

But I believe my mother was not indicative of most women in that era. Go back and check marriage records against birth records. If immorality was no different, a large percentage of those married couples should have had kids within 9 months. The records don't prove that to be true. Oh wait, I know what happened, there were as many unplanned and unwanted pregnancies back then, it's just that the women had illegal abortions!

I saw The Producer's stage show recently in a community theater here. That was a pretty good show.

Hey, I'm just saying: if I were a Republican, I'd be worried about why Mr. Holocaust Denier decided to cozy up to my party and not someone else's. Maybe 20 years of the Rush Limbaugh tail wagging the GOP dog is enough already.

Enough Scott. Should I start talking about Bill Maher wagging his tail? Let's not go there. You started it. Let's end it.

The church uses the threat of excommunication and various other threats of exclusion to control people (so do families to a degree), when your religion is an important part of your faith this emotional blackmail can be worse than flogging. In many cases the choice between following a relgious doctrine you don't fully agree with or leaving your church, friends and family... is no choice at all. This is way sects manage to keep their followers long after they have stopped believing in their leaders... they still love their family, friends and god.

I believe the vast majority are a moral law abiding lot.... as we have always been.

As far as contraception goes, the chruch should not be able to use religious moral grounds to deny their parishners the right to access the benifits of any form of contraception the way they have been.

And not just contraception any form of health impacting service or treatment....

Interesting,

In our representative district, the Democrats once ran a guy who was a convicted rapist and child molester. I guess in reading all of the crap above, Democrats must all be that as well? I guess child molesters and rapists must feel comfortable in the Democratic party eh?

In districts where there is zero chance a particular party can win, all sorts of nut jobs can step up. If someone gets the signatures needed and runs in the primary and no one else opposes , they can even get into the general election sometimes, like this convict once did years ago because often there are either no legit candidates to stop them so they move on by default.

In our state races it's even worse. Dozens of people from both parties are running 100% unopposed by anyone. It's like being in Chicago. Rarely do Republicans bother to run a candidate so either people go unopposed or some nutter runs in their place, and for many news cycles, one party and the media runs a bunch of idiotic stories trying to tie a party to whatever nutjob bothered to put their name out there. The bar is very low to get on ballots in many states and cities.

Anyone who tries to paint Republicans with this idiot are either truly ignorant, or are simply being intellectually dishonest.

Brian