Hi Folks,

I always planned to have this post. The election is nearly here. All anyone can do is cast their vote. The rest really doesn't matter. Both sides, if they lose, will react negatively. (Not a hard prediction). I personally have no doubt that shenanigans take place and some winners have their wins stolen. It has happened in all of time. But I am here to say that it just isn't what is important.

99% of people want to have a happy life for themselves and their families. Most of those want the same for their neighbors and their friends. Some are wishing awful things on entire swaths of our population which is disgusting and deranged. We are all peons in this farce. We have the most minimal impact on what happens. If something is stolen, we didn't do it, we can't stop it and we can't fix it. It is beyond the reach of honest, law abiding people. And that is a good thing. Because should any significant number of people decide to take matters into their own hands, even if they are 100% correct in their grievance, the most destructive responsive events in world history could commence and there will be ZERO winners. (Not even the Elites).

Citizen warfare is an outcome we all must be diligent to avoid. Whether it is small riots in big cities, or something much, much worse, we have to avoid it with all our abilities.

Here is something to ponder. This is NOT finger-pointing at anyone. It is all factual, and I got it off mainstream web searches.

These numbers are rounded but close enough:

Total US Debt: 1776-2000 : 5.5 Trillion Dollars

Bush Jr. 8 years +4.5 Trillion
Obama 8 years +8 Trillion Dollars
Trump 4 years +8 Trillion Dollars
Biden (Harris) 4 years +10-12 Trillion Dollars

Sources: US Debt Clock at https://www.usdebtclock.org/ and a general Google search for the starting and ending Debt of each President.

It matters not who controls laws, as long as we control the money" (paraphrased)-Some Dead Dirtbag Banker

It doesn't matter who wins. Both parties (and their leaders) have equally signed off on ALL that debt and all the banker's wars (which ALL of them fought by Western Societies turn out to be). And they will keep doing it no matter who wins. Additionally, as Ben duly noted, no matter who is elected, we are not getting the 25-50% (depending on the sector) inflation over the past 4 years back by ANYONE. They essentially lowered the value of the 35-36 Trillion in debt (growing faster than belief) by hyper inflating the dollar so we all lost 25-50% of our savings, bank account and buying power.

Prices may not keep going up (if they choose) but the damage has already been done, and NEITHER side can nor want to go back. The Stock Market has not grown. It simply reflects inflation as a rule of thumb. It may have doubled etc. but those companies are not actually richer in general. Money is a zero sum game. It isn't lost or gained, it simply changes hands. These Elites are actually fighting for whose hands that money will be in. Hint: It won't be any of ours. So get hysterical either way about the winner, we are all losers regardless. The most charitable view is that one side or the other might screw us less often, but we are still getting screwed. The debt interest is already over a trillion a year and the people who profit actually control what interest they want us to pay. They do this like those "Debt Relief" companies operate. (more on that later).

They use inflation to rob us now and enslave us later, far worse than the absurd tax levels anyone faced by anyone without corporate power accountants. Elites will never pay their fair share no matter the tax rates. Those who want to raise them know that. Those taxes affect one target: Small business owners, especially small family business owners. They do THAT to benefit their multinational corporate overlords. THAT is Fascism, and BOTH parties fully endorse it and vote for it. The State and the multinational corporations are all controlled by the same elites. They all sit on each others boards. This theatrical production every 4 years will not change that. It might change which party will be the lead grifters, but grift they will. ALL OF THEM.

*The Debt Relief Scam vs Our US Tax Scam: These companies really do relieve those heavily in debt. But they are not helping YOU, they are profiting the max possible. The way it works is you give them ALL your debt, asset and income info. Their experts determine the absolute MAXIMUM money they can extract from you, without you declaring bankruptcy. That is where they draw the line, removing you as a bankruptcy threat to these debt collectors. The Fed is the exact same thing. We are all financial slaves. In ancient Egypt, the Pharaoh took %20 of the slaves productivity. Today, with the tax situation we have, everything is taxed and re-taxed at every stage of activity from digging up a resource, to processing it, to crafting it into something usable to the transportation of it back an forth, to all the laborers involved, to the buying and selling of each material to storing it, to putting to market wholesale to retail, to the sales taxes, inventory taxes, to the re-delivery to your door, to your taxed money (by every agency and jurisdiction) and stuff I didn't even cover so by time you buy widget, 60-99% of the cost has gone to taxes. And the money you used to buy it has been taxed and re-taxed at every level as well. We ARE all slaves to this system. It is only because of tech advances in nearly all fields that our lives don't all involve manual labor for the Government/Elites. But most of our productivity is consumed as passive (meaning they do not have to WORK for it) by the owner class.

About this post:

My plan is to remove this post about a week after the election, give or take (unless circumstances require a change). If anyone makes a personal attack on each other, that is on the ATTACKER, whether it was "provoked" or not. Rational Adults can refrain from it if they choose. If you lash out here for a grievance elsewhere, that is on YOU. You can all PM each other all you like. Keep it off this post.

If I find or hear about political bickering elsewhere, I will react accordingly. I am not reading pages of old posts to find the original bad person. Rather than posting an attack, send ME a PM and let me know where attacks are happening. If you can't control yourself for a week, don't read this post in the first place. If you make a statement, offer your points, with verifiable sources if needed.

This has been a PSA. You're welcome.

A Burger King employee could do better job than these clowns . I write songs , not worry about that circus .

I like math. It tends to separate viable intellect from evolved incompetence...

Besides, it takes a discerning mind to tolerate the limits of apes.

I can't tell the difference between capitalism and profiteering anymore...
How do you govern without a set reference?
Without a set standard, "Whatever the market will bear" becomes the goal.

Inflation is how the stock market makes money.
Then, there's the Global Federal Reserve...

Governments print their own currency, then tell the world what their money is worth based upon their economy (corporate government) and calculations/projections made by the Global Federal Reserve (the world bank).

In this equation... the actual worth of goods and services is never considered.
THERE IS NO SET UNIVERSAL STANDARD.
Profit accrued through interest rates and inflation is the only goal.

If a loaf of bread was always worth $1, a pair of jeans was always $5, an 8'2x4 was always $1, an apple was always worth $0.25, iron/steel were always $0.1 per/lb, a beef cow was always worth $500... these things would set a stabilizing standard and reference for the rest of free market commerce. Small "home-grown" businesses wouldn't have to compete with global corporations. Necessity would truly be the mother of invention and the heart of entrepreneurism.

Currently, capitalism and profiteering are the same thing. As long as governments around the globe keep enslaving their populations, then take credit for national productivity despite abysmal standards of living... inflation will never end. Wealth inequality will only get worse as long as the subjugated fear their masters.

Maintaining fear is a simple matter of controlling both money and information...

By the way,
It's the apes that pound their chests, howl, then run and hide in the trees...

I only see one party in this current political race acting that way.

Another question one should consider... If the President, for some unforeseen reason, leaves office, who would you rather have for President Vance or Walz?

John

LOL... Speaking of dumb dancing monkeys!

You guys actually think these puppets run the U.S. . Jeff Besos and guys like that do. nice bullshit con-job,

Hmm... I don't know about that. If a decision whether to bomb Iran or not comes up, I doubt they ask Jeff Besos for permission.

John

And people get so involved in talking politics.

Your vote means very little, red or blue states will stay the same. I could vote for mickey mouse, it wouldn't change anything, blue will win New Jersey.

Vast majority of people already knew who they were voting for last year and several years

Whoever is Republican gets their vote, likewise Dems.

The few swing states that matter is the whole election.

Voting is a wonderful privilege but our vote is worth shite in reality, unless you live in Ohio.

Dems made this election a contest, if Biden had stayed ,Trump woulda won easily.

I've seen ads for Kamala where people saying they were Republican to the bone, but this time they must vote dem.

Never seen an ad like that before. Kinda targeting people who vote one party no matter what

This is an interesting thread. Brian, those US Debt numbers you posted don’t match Fox Business numbers. According to Fox Business Biden’s total debt is around 4.3 trillion. In my opinion it’s better to look forward than looking back. A nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget suggests a Harris presidency could increase the national debt by 3.5 trillion. Trump’s ideas could heap as much as 15.2 trillion. I hate taxes! But getting rid of them is not the solution.
The planned tariffs by Trump are a tax on imports and they are going to lead to a global inflation explosion. We’ve been there and done that. It happened just a few years ago. Americans blame Biden for the inflation surge, but in reality, it was a combination of the pandemic and Trump’s tariffs. A study by economists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, the University of Zurich, Harvard and the World Bank concluded that Trump’s tariffs failed to restore jobs to the American heartland. The tariffs “neither raised nor lowered U.S. employment’’ where they were supposed to protect jobs, the study found.
Despite Trump’s 2018 taxes on imported steel, for example, the number of jobs at U.S. steel plants barely budged: They remained right around 140,000. By comparison, Walmart alone employs 1.6 million people in the United States.
Worse, the retaliatory taxes imposed by China and other nations on U.S. goods had “negative employment impacts,’’ especially for farmers, the study found. These retaliatory tariffs were only partly offset by billions in government aid that Trump doled out to farmers. The Trump tariffs also damaged companies that relied on targeted imports. Trump’s planned tariffs are going to ruin the US economy and cause global inflation. Stock markets around the world will crash. I’m not saying the Democrats have everything right, but what Mr. Trump is saying will be devastating for the US economy and the rest of the world.

Yeah they do and the Rothchilds , Not to mention the fairy tale Catholic Pope with investments in amo. They like bombs away , keeps the bullshit up , your going to Disney land heaven . You think George Carlin had a coke addiction ? Try Frued making Motley Crew look like choir boys . Well respected quack , like your elections . Brain washing by the buckets, especially on Nov 4th. Braindead morons like cattle in election booths . Fear mongers the worlds ending , Shite the rich want your money , never going to happen , the 666 folks , with zero life's. Harvard grads laughing all the way to the bank , Bullshiting folks stuck with bad DNA working at Wally World. Head board Harris and Tricky Trump. ? , Shite they want your money .The mob still has contracts out on the Kennedys , fuc this... I'm gone to my island in my castle .

Besos net worth 185 billion , Naw ...yea has no say on bombs away and keeping Amazon rolling .

Well get some work done on music . Enough of my poison on assholee politicians and agendas

Hi Brian,
I was just looking at the election from a slightly different financial view.
How much does it cost to get elected?

According to Forbes:
"The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee has raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024, the most recent date for which Federal Election Commission filings are available."

That's only the 2 presidential candidates. I can almost imagine what the totals would be including all the senate, house, local office, and ballot measures being voted on across the US.

Who benefits from all that cash? Where do they spend the bulk of their donations?
I have an opinion on that, but I want to keep this civil

Lol... "NO TARIFFS ON CHINA!"

I wonder how much money the Dems made on big pharma stocks...?
"Insiders" like the Pelosis, Clintons, Obamas, and Bidens probably made a killing.

If Xi Jinping tries to give the world another virus, Trump will nuke his a$$!

Common sense dictates that a self sufficient free market nation will balance its own economy within the limits of its own supply and demand.
The whole concept of global debt rests upon the false premise that, in order to maintain fair international equity, the richest and most powerful nations should be obligated to subsidize the poor...

Until the rich run out of money.
Or, ideologically opposed nations engage in inequitable trade for political favors... "FREE PALESTINE", nuke Iran!

Got you bullshitted real good Tony , About as much a conservative's on bombs away . Nice little pack of lies.. and you buy it hook line and sinker. $$$$$$$$$ baby . Nobody show up to vote . The revolt , we're sick of your bullshit . What would happen ? a major overhaul is my guess . But ya'll will vote , believe the BS.

I pretty much agree with everything you said. I truly think the supposed billions spent on running for office are mostly just grift. I am not seeing either candidate spend much money. The first ads from either candidate I have seen that weren't simply FREE posts on social media were some YouTube ads this weekend including the one you described. But I am not buying the lame pitch. Why would anyone buy ANY political ad? If someone can be swayed by propaganda so easily, then they were long ago locked in already.

Not sure what you have seen, but that is likely 1 year they are talking about. Our national debt is OVER 35 trillion. Visit the US Debt clock for an eye opening (and official) view of what is going on. Want some terror?? Look at the "Unfunded Liabilities" in the bottom right of the screen. Every US Citizen is currently on the hook for app. $650K in debt committed to. That is baked in. That is a lifetime of wages for many people. We are all tax slaves. That Debt Clocks runs in real time. Watch how much gets added EVERY SECOND!

Most of it is money laundering. It never goes anywhere but right back into the pockets of the donors. A handful of TV ads don't cost a Billion dollars. How do you think these Oligarchs can buy entire Hawaiian Islands or their third $500,000,000 dollar Super Yacht?

35 trillion ...yes they set a bad example , practice what you preach IRS badge number 666. $$$$$$$$$

Interest on the national debt for 2024 is 1.2 trillion dollars.

John

Right and the IRS is busting by balls at 71-years old , 9% of life left and I should care on their bullshit credit score on minus 35 trillion. Yes my vote matters and donkeys fly. Porn stars have more respect .At least they tell you were fuking you. I'll even tell you you're my BF for a hour .Well shite he's telling me problems at home again ,I need a raise , That 3 minute pins an needles flush feeling were so fond of . It's like finding an inversion chord without the paper towels and guilt .Did you say badge number sex sex sex ? Well you are in Utah . Does your supervisor have 10 wives ? click . Shite now I have call back . Now Elvis control yourself . Don't say I hate your guts .

The world has always been a treacherous place. No news there.

I don't know how the future plays out but imo,

considering 35T and climbing debt,
1T+ debt service out of annual revenue of 3-4 T,
Immeasurable unfunded liabilities,
there is no viable road to debt retirement, with dollars that are worth anything.

The "great reset" will most likely be a great catastrophic crash, where the economy goes to zero and starts over from there. Accompanied by social instability and horrible wars, as is always the case.



In closing;
This is songwriting site. There are much better places to get much better information about the state of the world and it's economies than here.


Brian
Would you please grant my request and eliminate my account from JPF.com.
I donated $300 bucks and from my side of the table, I mistakenly thought that I would be assured that no more base insults would be allowed to come my way and incendiary topics would be eliminated, leaving only songs to talk about.. That didn't happen. It's on me for misjudging the outcome.

At this point, all I would like for my $300 is to have my account deleted from JPF.com.
I am not mad. Just through challenging what goes on here.

Please grant the request.

Thanks
Martin

I haven't even been here much last few weeks, so I know it wasn't me who insulted you this time.

Marty, in all honesty no attacks or anything, what kind of utopian songwriting site are you dreaming of?

there's nothing wrong with other topics, I agree if politics takes over, it's lost.

With election day tommorow, expecting everyone to dummy up about it is futile

You seem sincere in wanting a good songwriting site, but your asking way to much.

There's not enough songwriters here , and ones who are serious about it, to have an active site of just songs.

The engagement is key, and people find it in other topics. Getting people talking is good

But you continue to demand accomodations. You got your forum.

Your donating to keep the site going, that doesn't mean you run it. Does it?

Payolla, buying an election .....

You got your ai forum

Every time I read your asking for something else.

What should your 200 buy?

Dom
I have no interest in your opinion or trying to explain anything to you. Think what you will.
My goal and request is to put all of this in the rear view, not to crank it up once again.
My remarks are addressed to Brian.

Nice, but your asking BRIAN on a Public forum in the middle of a different thread, different topic, where you are talking to an audience.

Right, not crank it up again.

That's exactly what your doing.

How bout writing BRIAN in email or calling him?.

Your like a girl who wears tight jeans and low cut tops, yet complains your staring at her

Muskrat muskrat , now boys calm down

Not exactly.
I have one request for my donation.
I want my acct eliminated and to cease to exist here.
Unlike you, I will not come back under different names, time after time.

My private attempts to get that done have not achieved the result so I put a prickly public post on a prickly public thread...that exemplifies why I want my acct eliminated. No point in making that complicated.
I would think that goal would please you.

Done for the day

Lol, again are you not able to cease to exist right now?

Do you need a formal ceremony?

your so disgruntled and unhappy here, I mean a 5 year old would know what he should do.

Oh noooooo Marty stay!

For $20 bucks, I'd like to start a new account...

Brian

You either will or you won't grant my request to eliminate my acct.
Please state which and I will adjust.

Martin

Btw...I have hijacked your thread and fire-started another sh!t slinging contest.
In my opinion...you should ban me for that. And eliminate my account.

Can't even get a decent shave and a haircut for that.

Freakonomics in action. Subscriber "A" will pay $20 for a membership that member "B" will pay $300 to rid himself of and the premium is for having the club erase any evidence of ever him ever having been a member.

LMBFWCA OFF!!!

So the assets of the entire US Population is underwater to the debt per citizen. That means if you liquidated the entire country, we are still $10K short PER PERSON of just breaking even, then having zero ownership in ANYTHING.

WARNING: I am spoiling the 2024 and 2022 film "Speak No Evil" below. Even if you read this, you should STILL watch that film. It was made to illustrate our reality.

Our country is a mirage. It has been stolen from us in only 24 years. In 2000, we were 5.5 trillion in debt. That alone is an unimaginable number and represents horrific management over the last 30 years of the 20th century (1970-2000 when we first went off the Gold standard. That was the beginning of the end). But what has happened since 2000 is beyond criminal. It is warfare against the people. When people are way more upset about a squirrel being put down than their entire country, it really isn't hard to understand how this happened.

Question: Why did you steal our country, the most prosperous and powerful in history?
Answer: Because you LET us!

This is the entire plotline and summation of the film "Speak No Evil" which was recently released as a remake of the original Danish-Dutch film(which I saw in 2022. I saw it for what it was at the time. Political Correctness is itself a means to silence dissent. That is what happens in the film, and it is EXACTLY what has happened in the real world.

While people became polite and timid, they stole everything. Who is they? Many theories exist, but the tip of the spear is the so called "elected" representatives who directly made it happen. Both parties, in unison. All Presidents since 2000 have participated directly. We are in the end game right now. The film ends in a grim place. We are in an even grimmer place in truth because instead of the protagonists in the make believe film, we are really experiencing this in the real world. Our grandkids and beyond will suffer because we let them do it.

Hmmmmm,
Really makes me wonder why you deleted my "MATH" thread...

Are you running for president Brian , Or just find all that bullshit interesting ?

Nothing has been deleted. Some stuff gets moved, some stuff gets combined. You ran off Martin for good. I am in no mood for whining. Since he was our second biggest donor this year, another nail has been driven.

There is no fixing this. The Presidents are figureheads. They can do good for this or that, now and then. They can also grift and steal and do evil if they like, but even that is largely inconsequential to the movement we are headed towards. When they sign off on the theft, then they are part of it. If they fight back, they get a bullet to the head or at least an attempt. I think much will be revealed in the next year, regardless of who "wins." Meanwhile, control what you can control. Be nice to others, create stuff, enjoy your life. We are along for the ride on things we can't alter.

Never mind, Brian.
I don't want another account...

Puppets right I agree . What ever agenda their working for by the rich elite , Why I'm not voting , its all bullshit. I got better things to do like music . I'll bs on here and joke about it , elections are cat houses. My Jewish good friend just said I'm a macho asshol , yes correct. So what's the tribe voting for ? He hates jewish jokes. I don't believe in Caveman wars , So fuk them and politicians . on a more serious thought , it's a tuff job being prez whoever its going to be , but congress seems like 6 year olds to me ,

“Why I'm not voting , its all bullshit. I got better things to do like music” - Bennash

Then again, maybe music is bullshit. I mean, rearranging 12 half-tones, like trying to solve a puzzle that has no solution. Or maybe a puzzle where there are infinite solutions. Or maybe a puzzle where all solutions are valid. Either way, much like politics and other endeavors, it keeps many from thinking their lives are all bullshit. Now I’m inspired. Think I’ll go back to my bullshit piano and solve another bullshit puzzle.

John

ha ha ha well ya got a point John , the elusive cousins on chords. Play that fancy chord , lol. I guess if I wanted to play pull the wool over my bad eyes , it be Trump , she has 0 answers. But a steak in December will still be $25.00 , Who knows.


oh trying to make money , cheap ass people


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Varj7n2JBIk



I think ya need 10 jobs to live today

Somehow I won New Jersey

Ha Ha Ha. The reason I didn't vote... I knew California would vote her , so it's a waste of my time , I'm glad he won. I don't like the system , never have. she had 0 solutions.

I think either side would vote the zodiac killer in.. just to stay in either party , its a broken system

Hmm... silence after the storm?

John

"Be nice to others, create stuff, enjoy your life." ~ Brian Austin Whitney


Agreed.


Peace,

Dave

I think I get it now... why there's so many "lurkers" and so few participants on these sites.

Ok let's see if groceries go down by Dec , I'll hold my breath, Well that's funny David , Brian started the ball rolling on politics . Tony rants on politics and Jesus , but never goes to songs . Johns buying real-estate in Vermont via Net- flix earnings . Elvis talks to army shrinks , but still has his doubts on sanity .

You should prepare yourself for the return of "Christmas", Elvis...

By the looks of TV ads , they're already trying to sell me things I'll never buy . But first we have Thanksgiving celebrating the slaughter of Indians . Families gossiping on the black sheep again , while their ghosts are no better . judge thy not , should be replaced ...we sure like to think were better than the next person.

I think it's cause it's not very shocking he won.

She had to overcome bidens demise, didn't have a long time to get out there.

Had to overcome being a woman where none has ever been elected.

Shocking to me , Trump being a asshol , I thought he might lose. He steamed rolled over her .

Whole lotta' nuthin'....

I think you need 2 hours rolling in the hay with a beauty. I don't think God would mind . he's probably busy listening to bs political songs. Tony ain't dead lol. If you don't get laid you might be ...taking this bs serious , Oh yeah God and politics , oh boy !!!!!!

Ugly face , but music has some potential for mood song, it is a song site , political bs is beyond me . Hookers , oh boy .

Well steak is still $25.00 on NOV 8 , so will see if 666 Trump fixes things. Be nice to save whales also Elon . I guess Tony is still dead .

Well its all DNA , your either born smart or a moron . to bad. slight bursts of smartness and dumbass.

Just for you, Elvis...
https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14883925

Two things will always thrill me
Pretty women and straight whiskey

Laser lights and disco balls
Smoke machines and neon walls
Sub-bass rattling in my brain
I'm not impressed at all

Purple haired something behind the bar slurs,
"Don't you know where you are, Sir?"

May be safer to stay home but
I can't boot-scoot all alone
Two things will always thrill me
Pretty women and straight whiskey

I take a stroll on down the street
I hear a fiddle and a country beat
Sign on the door said come on in
If you got boots on your feet

Honey at the bar said don't be shy
The "Chicken Pickers" were playin' live
All the boys were wearing jeans
All the cowgirls were dancin' in line

My new friend said "If you're still doubtin'...
There ain't any cowboys on Broke Back Mountain"

I winked and said "Well, when in Rome"
She poured me a shot and said welcome home
Two things will always thrill me
Pretty women and straight whiskey

Well yeah ...young women are a problem , Sounds good man . a least its not stupid politics . you're a good player Tony , I'm a hack lol

Seems these days, all classic rockers do is talk smack about other artists lol. I guess it's lack of anything else to do and it keeps them relevant

I agree with Pete here, and I'm sure he didn't just say this out of the blue. The writers of these articles are trying to tie things up to get reads.

Anyway, https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/new...cer_amp_other_pundits_of_creativity.html

They all do that , including Rick Beato. washed up rock stars bitching like ole ladies. 9% of life left and waste it on complaining .

Speaking of old ladies...

Boxers , rock stars , people on forums ,Everybody in Youtube , Tic Tok etc, Trying to show they're still important in 2025. We're basically social animals like otters . Tyson like all them boxers looking for a comeback ... Like us.

Young Tyson woulda destroyed that guy. Tyson nearly 60, was a money grab, and s promo for Netflix.

That was an exhibition, I still believe if Tyson got in close, and fired a series of blows, that dude woulda dropped.

Tyson found a way to make money. can't blame him.

Surprised he never made it to big screen.

Tyson found a way to make money. can't blame him. like us lol

Never did care for watching two people beat their brains out. I think it says something more about people who enjoy such acts.

John

Lol... Yeah', they never play Mozart at the fights

it says something about the human race . going back to gladiators

SEX, VIOLENCE, ROCK-n-ROLL!!

pretty much. But not at my age. its more a fireplace an acoustic guitar and coffee .

https://www.facebook.com/reel/8183128448460371

I think John's one of them aging rockers...m

I watch old fighters once in awhile , ok that's enough . violent sport .

Yes, in my teen years.


The Vestells

ha ha , that's good John.

Good logic e.g. Stop analyzing; just compose the damn thing!

On bass no less... nice!

Yeah surprisingly on bass.

Seems all garage bands from that era sound exactly the same. U might recognize the guy in bottom left




Little Stevens garage radio show plays that kinda stuff all time

The drama on YouTube is a complete waste of time, it got some good lesson tricks on guitar though .Bickering Rock stars is stupid.

I wish I had YouTube when I was learning.
Great for lessons, tips, songs. Any song you can think of somebody is there showing how to play it.

I had to listen to records and try to figure out what they were doing, and the tuning was always a quarter step off

You still can , learning never stops , Steal some licks and new chords. I helped some kid get started , $400.00 in books laptop etc to get rolling : 1234 1234 1234 is what I tell him. Some high school kid in Texas/My wife said WTF , but she got over it.

You gave some kid 400 so he could learn how to play? My household woulda paid 400 for me to stop!

[naughty word removed], my dad bought my first guitar and I was already on my way.

Youtube has pros and cons. With YouTube you get to cheat, being shown everything instead of developing ear.

Nobody to correct bad habits.

And you're kinda jumping around from tip to tip, some more advanced than others, with no logical steps.

It's a free for all, kinda was for me anyway, I learned most of guitar on my own. Takes much longer but your developing you ear too.

Yeah I help folks once in awhile e.g A Marty Dodson book on songwriting , A book on grammar , Tuner and metronome , recording stuff , cheap laptop , It comes around . Advice... stay away from drugs and bad women . He's 16-years old and calls me sir . Typical teen ager. I told him nobody cares if you play like Jimmy Hendrix if you're not in 1234 1234 1234. You're on your own kid , send me a song when you've got something . You can write about your problems , but you better solve it by chorus . Nobody wants to hear a cry baby without solutions . Yes sir.

I'm pretty sure Dad never thought I'd be playing still all these years. I'm sure he thought I'd plat for a few days and quit, which vast majority of people do.

I think people see themselves on stage with the guitar, not realizing it aint freaking easy.

For me it was like a lightbulb lit up. I was hooked.

Think at 14 I quit baseball and didn't even try out for highschool team.

I tried out my senior year, made the cuts but heart wasn't in it.

Guitar took over

I'm too old to have kids , so help a respectful kid out , not much different than supporting Asia , which I do .A doctor I did a job for last week is treating the poor in Viet Nam. Was was the topic pissed off rock stars ? Grow up .

What I do all day coach men , Get it right guys , its like music , its art



The owner has a PHD in medicine and been on 60 minutes

Do we bicker ? yeah moneys involved, Stop crying and get it done is speech by me

I actually like this lyric a lot. Good job.

This is the most polite and rational political post I have seen online. Thanks to those who participated and remained civil.

Time to get back to music.

Brian

Ya gotta love the grift. The fact that money changed hands on this complete joke is as entertaining as the ridiculous sight of a wannabe boxer and a washed up old man in debt needing a cash injection play fighting for millions. But heck, it is what passes as entertainment these days. There is a LOT worse stuff out there.

We have a digital antenna so I put on an actual network channel to watch a football game and the shows were so bad I was actually surprised. Not having watched any network TV for the past 10 years really allows you to cleanse their nonsense from your brain. So seeing it without the conditioning of a lifetime of going along with it a half hour at a time, it is shocking that I was able to disengage my brain enough to watch any of their trash. Even football is losing its one time appeal. It is looking quite manipulated by gambling interests. Super dumb idea to legalize, and now people are getting what they paid for, I guess.

I ask myself "how did you EVER watch any of this stuff" and all I can think is that I was in a trance we've all been groomed to fall into. School, day jobs, news from any source and entertainment from any mainstream source all just suck a little bit of resistance out of you over time. That makes you subservient to giving the ownership class a giant cut of your productivity for the privilege this mind numbing drug called "culture" they have created to keep the slaves on the plantation and working away for them. A tale as old as time.

Read the Bible, watch FOX news, play guitar

Watch nature shows and play guitar , skip the fairytales in a book and TV

Here's a fun fact for ya'...

The guy that wrote "Dead Puppies" (at least the guy claimed he did) used to teach guitar at Rancho Elementary School near Camp Pendleton... I was in the 6th grade.

Within the first week, he told my Mom that I just didn't have the "knack" and there was no sense in me wasting time in his class...

My parents, of course, had already been teaching me for several years at that point... and were frustrated with me as well. So, they offered him no argument.

I just wanted to learn "Slow Ride" and "War Pigs", not fricken "dead puppies" and "thank God I'm a country boy"!

Anyway, they transferred me to home ec where I learned to bake cookies and kiss girls

Anyway, they transferred me to home ect.... where I learned to bake cookies and kiss girls
Now that's funny

Absolutely with FanDuel ads all over tv and radio.

I go to the physical books too, always have to wait for some idiot to finish off his masterful 12 leg same game parlay, which he throws a hearty ten bucks on, thinking the payoff of several thousand will hit.

I've bluntly told some of them, dude, you will never win that , buy yourself a burger.

That and fantasy sports, where people tune in to see if their wide receiver scores a td for their fantasy team.

AND, a surprising amount of women trying the same shite, and good looking women too ..

The NFL is thriving because of it, in a backwards way. They won't admit that reason but..


If they really think anybody gives a shite who wins a game between Carolina and the Brown's in London, beside for gambling reasons we'll...

But they keep raking viewers, creating channels like peacock and Amazon, and people pay the prices for it , to see how their bets go....

Top search for songwriting forum and we got 5 people that bicker over old rock stars, AI , (Politics which people hate ) and religion . I guess only 2 people play guitar Tony and I.... the rest of the 9k members that are missing use robots and praise new technology including Brian . But no worries your life will change cuz another crook is running the world , we fondly call him the 666 guy cuz pot roast is going down .

Well I got 9% of life left so let's cut another song. I'll think I'll skip Clapton hates somebody else .

We got old farts who can't remember previous conversations, we got old delusional farts who think their guitar playing and writing is good, and good enough to start a Revolution.

We got 3 people under 70, me, japov maybe couch, and Brian maybe,?
Fear not the boss is still touring st 74 and doing decent with it.

Will somebody under 70 please step up, and fix these guys call button so they can get the attention try need?

We Got the Wrong Elvis

Well, there ain't no sign
of a song and dance guy
With a voice so smooth
it could make The Hulk cry

no Charismatic force
Looks more like a horse
boring us with turds
blaming us of course....

We got the wrong Elvis
What the hell happened
All we get is yappin
Ain't nobody clappin
Ouch, now I think he broke his pelvis
We got the wrong Elvis

Alright AI man and your robots

I'm under 70, play and write, and here is my latest....posted here just to say you are not right in how you see this place




Thank You Eve
© 2024 John Voorpostel

Thank you Eve, for eating that apple
Thank you Lord for bringing us sin
Thank you Lord for conscious awareness
Thank you Lord for letting us sing

Thank you Lord for giving us serpents
Serpents are needed for setting the rules
Our minds and memories aware imaginations
Say thank you Lord for Eve as your tool

Thank you Eve we will always remember
The Bible told us men misunderstood
Thought you were some simple rib grown companion
Could never become the awesome Eve of our song

Thank you Eve, for eating that apple
Thank you Lord for bringing us sin
Thank you Lord for conscious awareness
Thank you Lord for letting us sing

Lord we are yours there’s devils in details
To you we surrender our souls for all time
Thank you Lord for our conscious awareness
To you we surrender our souls and our rhymes

Thank you Eve we will always remember
The Bible told us men misunderstood
Thought you were some simple rib grown companion
Could never become the awesome Eve of our song

Lord we are yours there’s devils in details
To you we surrender our souls for all time
Thank you Lord for our conscious awareness
To you we surrender our souls and our rhymes

cave drawings, morse code
signals made from puffs of smoke
bells ringing, pigeons fly
internet to help unite

banging gongs, silent steps
riding the pony express
flashing lights and finger signs
tv ads on airlines

passing notes, looks and glares
secrets underneath the stairs
submarines, hidden doors
fake news, dot orgs
whispered secrets, screaming loud
lone wolf, angry crowd
cryptex and ai drones
Can't leave well enough alone!!!

We didn't start the fire!


Peace,

Dave

Hey John nice job , I'm a atheist , but like a good story.


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XUe0F_0kjSE

For your Christmas lists...

https://www.etsy.com/listing/172034...6-V19pNWAGx87cSBj7xJES47eWEaAq2XEALw_wcB

Your problem is you don't mind mouthing off to me, look what this idiot typed? Is that somehow ok?

Make sure your consistent, then maybe I'll listen

You keep saying what a great guitar player you are F , Lets see your beautiful face , lets hear one.

"Aging rockers bickering"

Good one Dom!

Keep saying I'm great? Show me where I said that even once.

You keep thinking anyone cares if you play guitar, I think that's the bigger issue. They Don't.

hello mommy, hello dad
this is your pride n joy in the great big world
i’ve graduated, got good grades
now i’m just tryin’ to figure out what it’s been for
i keep my hair cut, and i remember
all the times you told me what living life was for
i watch the TV, i see the news
millions of people arguing about another war

aimless, blameless, just trying to pay my dues
down n out, what now, damned and led by fools

i got a job now, i pay my way
do my laundry 'n got a key to my own front door
i hope you’re proud dad, i love you mom
my student loan’s overdue and my degree sits in a drawer
i pay my taxes, i always vote
but these four walls are reminding me of what i’m not
i must admit, i don’t always pray
army recruiter’s eyein’ me 'cause i’m such a crack shot

ha ha ha , its sharing , lets hear one F. Man I shaved for all that ? Well you know vanity .

I rhymed horse with you for creative/dramatic effect, don't get all bent out of shape, i think you look more like a chimpanzee

Well that's because of Evolution . Though my dog is not inventing anything. Lets hear something Dom , I won't take much to beat me .

Yes a true Southern rocker Tony

I didn't find God on TV, Elvis...

Tell us, why do you "bother" with songwriting? Especially since what you mostly write about is... "life"

I don't follow Gods drama or the worlds , I play guitar , do songs , promote , about it . I like documentary's ,Hemingway, Mary Twain , Buddhism . Pawn Stars for laughs . I've read God and the world , I find no interest in either of them . A new chord or riff interests me . I see no value in anxiety.

Hmmmm... A broke, Godless, 4 times divorced guitar player.

Yeah', that'll sure inspire the kids!

Well sometimes it takes 4 divorces to figure it out , I'm doing alright lots of music , Life's pretty smooth . I'm not trying to be a hero to kids Tony

Then who's your target market?

Kids don't listen to 71-year old artists , what I see is 40-years old on up , Once in awhile a few kids , But I don't disclose to much on a rocky past to kids . kids listen to rapid -fire Tic- Tok . I've never seen the age on who buys my cd's . I get a name and address . They don't communicate thru Social Media , they just buy the cd . From California to Vermont . it's interesting on snake-oil salesmen and tactics they use , like Chuck Norris , buy these vitamins you live longer , its all bullshit.

Well, even if music did make you money, it still wouldn't make you happy... just comfortable

Music makes me happy , Why would you say that ? its unprofitable though . Thats alright... so are bass -boats .

Music is an expression, Elvis...
It's always a reflection, a symptom, of something else.

Whatever that means , it's better than watching the world and worry about it, or waste my time pondering creation or evolution , it's a pointless thought process .

The irony of your rant is you ARE watching the world, you keep posting here talking about how you're all music and nothing else

You are trying to find ANYBODY to hear and appreciate you.

But this is equivalent not posting at all.

You're not going to wake these folks.

I'm not worried about a forum , I promote and get fans , We already know this site is dead. 5 people at most . I don't watch the world , I create music and promote it . You on the another offend anybody and any view point , cuz you gave up and your angry , it quite obvious . You're always angry , why no idea .

Lolllll, you answer me in ten minutes, of course you care about the forum, it's he only contact you have with apparent actual listeners.

This is not an audience.... They only care about the trivia.

Think about this.... They'd rather do trivia thsn listen to your music..

and you're good?

Try this DON'T post here for two weeks....

Then ask yourself if there is any difference.

8k viewers on FB , you want see Cds sales ? its not much about a 100, Yeah I'm waiting for songs to come back ,Rainy day man is done , now I promote on all Avenues . Your always offending anyone

So stay on Facebook, why do you need ten people who don't care about your music?

And offend? You start offending me the minute nobody responds to your music.

I got fans , I don't need a forum , I was basically just shooting the bull with Tony and you popped on.

Yeah and you started with me several times here, asking me to kick your ass on guitar to try and prove something.

Music is not a competition.

Furthermore, I started this thread, how am I intruding on your diatribe with Tony, which is s fight from what I see. it's MY Thread

Do this, at least pretend your not here every waking moment, you know be like the lurkers.


8 K fans lollllllll

whatever you revel in people pain , You need therapy

What pain? You're a star, you got 8k fans.

You're in pain? Since when?

I'm the one in pain, I use robots , I talk about how good I am on guitar, .... And I need to show I am...
Now, your appealing to anybody gullible enough to side with you, by stating , I enjoy reveling peoples pain?

Your a giant moron. Read, I responded to your narcissism

On one hand, Dom is right... He started this thread, and he has been a lot less "confrontational/antagonizing" lately.

On the other hand, Elvis is right... There's only about 10 regulars here who would even notice.

Then... there's Christian Conservative songwriting geniuses like ME!
MUWAAAHAAHAHAHA

Actually I'm right on both hands, I'm the one that said it's ten people. I don't know why people come here, when the subject of the forum means nothing to them.

So I get bens frustration, but he needs to direct his anger on the culprits.

90% of my posts are musically related, 10% other stuff which I think is a good ratio

You're not fooling anyone, Dom...

This is the "Aging rockers bickering" thread, congratulations!

Explain how I'm attempting to fool anyone?

You both just throw stuff out there hoping somebody will join you.

Explain what I'm doing here, I thought I was responding to this clown.

Inform me

You've re-created "THE RANT ARENA"...

You've been informed,

You're welcome.

The op was about rockers who diss their contemporaries later on their career for attention.

The initial topic did little traffic. Brian came in mentioned Tyson, which was fine, since then it's been all Ben, somehow twisting it back to his music.

It wasn't directed at aging people in general, aging rockers, if the topic evolved, not my fault.

But Ben has alot of time to post when he has all those fans in Facebook..

Just own it, Dom.

No. I don't lie, what you see is what you get. I say it how it is.

Any self serving motives you're inventing, is wack. Nobody is here to present my motives to. And I'm quite aware how pointless it is.

It's not making me rich, not making me comfortable, not making me happy.

You on the other hand, are proven to want and utilize a rant area, and it's still the only reason you come here.

So knock it off already

Oh, just admit it... You missed me

XOXOXO

Then... there's Christian Conservative songwriting geniuses like ME!. Right and bickering old guitar players who refuse therapy .Well we have pills , I don't see the advantage really .

Try meditation and prayer...

I'm fine Tony , life is good, As long as the music is rolling I'm fine . Down time sucks .

Good advice from one of the greatest jazz guitarists of all time.

To me it means, do you. If it's above your head stick with what you do well, until you practice and can do other stuff effortlessly

https://youtube.com/shorts/1pmlWDUOcAY?si=uBW83kNBThPBgx4s

They have a billion vids on guitar , I steal a few licks , Make a mood song and vid . Keeps me busy besides country songs . Cover a few James Taylor songs . 3 week turnaround , something like that .

I was taught that as a kid lol.
Yeah', there's many ways to play guitar. And if you're a "solo virtuoso" then go ahead and do it the hard way, no one will deny that it looks impressive.
But...
In a group situation, it's best to "let the whole band play"

Just because you CAN play bass and rhythm at the same time on one instrument doesn't mean you SHOULD.

Yes, and not play something difficult just for sake of playing something difficult. Should be a point to it.

If your audience can't sing or follow your playing, your pissing in the wind.

Only a select few jazz greats found large audiences because they understood that. otherwise your audience is all guitar players

Stealing licks

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ObV_wHMYUT8

I woulda never started playing guitar if the Who hadn't blown my mind.

Pete the topic of this thread, does not get the credit he deserves for his guitar playing. He's not put in same shelf as Clapton or Hendrix or any guitar hero.

But if you play guitar, have eyes and ears you will be convinced he IS a great guitdrist. Maybe not as a soloist but on acoustic I'm not sure who's better.

Not to mention being a great songwriter and underrated singer

Pffthtttthsh... Townshend SUCKS!
Springsteen Too!

and your still trying....

Humbled...

Yeah', she's sweet...
BUT,
I only have to be better than YOU!

And Elvis.

Now, imagine how much more she could "embellish" with a bass backing her up...

no, you only have to be better than me in your dreams.

Music is not a competition, if it were Taylor Swift woulda quit long time ago.

I went to Catholic school I was easily the best guitarist in my school, at least while I was there. I was recruited to be in s music theory class, the teacher insisted, I hated it but it was 2 credits.

I was recruited for school plays, masses, and music concerts.

I earned my first pay as a musician 75 bucks for doing school play. God rest her, that musical director thought I'd be a star, my voice should be on records said she,and I was a solid guitar player....

What I found out, was not only was I not the greatest guitar player in the world, I wasn't even the best on my street.

There were guys older than me who kicked my ass.

Today I shoot for a song that somebody can relate to, and enjoy....

Which is not easy either, despite the false praise we get here

Yeah', well... I can play Born To Be Wild behind my head, whistle Dixie, fart the Star Spangled Banner, and dance the Jitterbug all at the same time!

But can you play Louie Louie?

Only while I'm makin' luv

ha ha , it don't take much to beat me , she is good. theres a bunch of prodigies out there

Man flipping through some Pete...

I mean I was 13, 14, he put out songs like this, for some reason I took to it, the bullshit music of the 80s , some was great...

But somehow I related to this tune, oddly I think it's about getting old...

Pete was the man at the time huge fan, check out David gilmour , actually I liked Pete solo on the album better

Your a little to honest F.. ha ha . All good , old guys bickering. Like Clapton hates somebody. net worth 500 mil. I'm so old I remember when Louie Louie came out and kids pumped our gas, washed the windows , check the oil. 1963 .

I have 5 fingers and can't beat him

Id say Wes Montgomery is the greatest jazz player of all time, maybe Django is too old , but he's a legend for sure.

And while there great musicians in all genres...even eastern music like Ravi Shankar , and some amazing metal players, I think jazz musicians are the most complete musicians.

The amount of study, ten hours a day practice, they are all excellent sight reader's. Know everything on the guitar, and are theory encyclopedias.

That said, I will always be a rock and roller, and blues.

I dabbled in jazz but if you don't love jazz, you can't play it at a high level.

I let them guys what what they do, and try to figure out what it is I do.

I know some theory , But yes Jazz guys got it down

This guy is pretty amazing.

If you can play for miles Davis you're GOOD. Sounds totally drugged out

So was Miles. must be a genius if he played with Miles , he was ornery, he sounds alright to me , happy guy

One of the greatest pop songs ever

45 years ago , kids today weren't even born yet , long time ago, was a good song though

WASH THAT GARBAGE OUT OF MY EARS!!!



Faster than a bullet
Terrifying scream
Enraged and full of anger
He is half man and half machine
Rides the metal monster
Breathing smoke and fire
Closing in with vengeance soaring high
He is the Painkiller
This is the Painkiller
Planets devastated
Mankind's on its knees
A savior comes from out the skies
In answer to their pleas
Through boiling clouds of thunder
Blasting bolts of steel
Evils going under deadly wheels
He is the Painkiller
This is the Painkiller
Faster then a laser bullet
Louder than an atom bomb
Chromium plated boiling metal
Brighter than a thousand suns
Flying high on rapture
Stronger free and brave
Nevermore encaptured
They've been brought back from the grave
With mankind resurrected
Forever to survive
Returns from Armageddon to the skies
He is the Painkiller
This is the Painkiller
Wings of steel Painkiller
Deadly wheels Painkiller
Ah
He is the Painkiller (killer)
This is the Painkiller (killer)
He is the Painkiller (killer)
This is the Painkiller (killer)
Pain, pain, killer, killer
Pain, pain, killer, killer
Can't stop the Painkiller
Pain (pain)

Honestly life got in the way and I missed all them bands , I really have no idea what they're about, like Judas Priest . 80 ties to 1994 was 3 divorces , I probably tuned back in 1995

But they've heard it, in movies , tv etc. might be good time to redo it. It's timeless

Per wiki...
It has been featured in the closing credits for Mr. Deeds, Look Who's Talking, Jersey Girl, Along Came Polly, Red Dog, Old Dogs, Put Grandma in the Freezer, Grosse Pointe Blank, Hit and Run, The Adam Project, respectively. In Dan in Real Life, the song is performed by Steve Carell and Dane Cook and is covered by Sondre Lerche for the film's soundtrack.[21] In 2004, the song was used in commercials for JCPenney during the holiday season.[citation needed] In 2021, it was used in the "All Night Long" episode of the Apple TV+ series Acapulco during the last scene and end credits.[citation needed] It was played after the wedding vows in the season finale of the Netflix series My Life with the Walter Boys.

Well then re-do it , Take it in your own perspective , it's not rocket science to cut a few. I hear you sing and play . What else is there to do ? You must be getting bored with AI by now , play and sing a few. tick tok, tick toc my friend ,

21,470 Registered Users

Lol, Ben you don't care about this forum remember? Posting at 5:40 in morning hoping somebody replies,lmao.

There used to be tons of people here, they all moved to Facebook.

On Facebook, everybody loves them and pretends to be interested in their lives.

They realized they were never going to make a dime as a songwriter, and that there was slim chance of anybody ever hearing them beyond here.

Those that were truly songwriters felt feedback from such dis interested people as what's left, was pointless and meaningless.

Take you for example. If one person here says hey I like this...... Does that do anything for you?

It's the most meaningless thing you could read, regardless how serious you are.

And if you try to force people to answer some will surely give you a pointless review.

I suggest you keep doing what you di, but dont look for validation here.

Honestly,? And I've always been the villain here, negative reviews are the only honest reviews.

If everybody were anonymous here, youd see alot more reviews and honest ones.

Some don't want to hurt their so called friend, others
wont praise somebody they don't like

So what's the point of it all?

When I read the complete bs some people receive here, simply cause they are likable and don't do anything to upset anyone...i.shake me head.

That's not how music works. There's billions of songs, and somebody believes theres is the greatest, cause some lurker here decided to comment?

I don't sleep much , I promoted 3 this morning to Youtube at 3am , I just noticed the users and was curious , it has nothing to do with 5k spins I get on running songs, At 71 you have 9% of life left , you can sit in a rocking chair or do something , I choose to do something . back to old rock stars , I really was never into it , I could not name one Who song . Judas Priest , I heard of them but never listened . I'm more into 2025 , though Rick Beato and his list of rocks stars say new music sucks . I think I tuned out on new rock , when it got to loud , Seems like a drug fest to me . Even the Eagles turned into old ladies and crying about whatever .

That's great. You can still do music, but this won't be your audience.

No not on here , its all promotion on 4 platforms, its better then sitting around thinking about bs. Like I give a fuk on Don Henly and all the rock star bs

You don't make a damn bit of sense...
I think YOU'RE a bot!
And you got a couple wires crossed

You can afford Nashville session players, living on a lake in California, ON SOCIAL SECURITY?

YOU'RE FULL OF $HIT!

I TOLD YOU NOT TO EAT THOSE 3EYED CALI CATFISH!

Makes perfect sense , read slowly . No I don't like fish . Well we're all full of shite , even doomsday Tony and Everett and rest of you doomsayers . the world ending cuz of AI. SS is partly what I do , I also work construction , You know that we talked on the phone .

Yes I'm a bot trying to steal your identify , the 666 guy . Silly , oh yeah religion and stable horses. make sure it's WHITE for Georgia. Well fits the topic , bickering .

You're upset I use session players and you use a form of AI plug ins to sound like a girl .
So who's full of shite ?

You're right...
I'm 2hrs from Nashville but can't afford the gas

You're right...
I'm 2hrs from Nashville but can't afford the gas

Well don't feel bad , I can barely afford propane for a trailer.

Just to get along , Maybe God created the Big Bang

Yeah', God talks to us like we're His children...

You're not ready, stop asking.
Don't eat that.
Cover those up.
Don't back-talk me.
Take a bath.
I know when you're lying.
Sit still, use your brain.
The monsters are afraid of me.
Just wait till you're married.

ha ha ha . pretty much. Do this , don't do that

I'm obviously a pessimist lol...

But,

Am I the only one who thinks "Thanksgiving" feels kinda' strange this year?

I'm not saying we shouldn't take a day to reflect and be thankful...
I'm just already dreading the day after.

It's as if the entire world is suffering from some kind of bipolar disorder...

I remember when the majority of people used to look forward to Thanksgiving and Christmas. The Spirit of the season was contagious.

Now, it seems as if no one can remember why...

I theorize that social media has alot to do with it.

There used to be mystery and hope with holidays. Now go on Facebook and thanksgiving unfolds in your face instantly, leaving nothing to the imagination .

It may also be that over time, all things change and die. Can Thanksgiving survive hundreds of more years?

I doubt football will exist in 200 years

Politics isn't difficult to understand, Elvis...
Just follow the money, and those who profit from their partisan loyalty.

Do you think Kamala will ever pay her campaign debt?
I doubt it...

Right special groups or partisan loyalty, same thing

I don't care if she's in debt . I don't know much about that Tony . I'm thinking crypto will jump in Jan , I made $250.00 today with $1000.00 in crypto . I think if you invested for 4-years while Trumps in you'll make money . Sell when he loses in 29 . They'll be a surge for 4- years , then bottom out in 2029 when liberals take it back over . Whoever that might be .


Kamala lost cuz she had no answers, zero.

Is Trump going to blow his mouth off for 4-years ? probably. I don't watch the circus much .

Ideological divisive intent...


Hey Brian,

If more than half of the US population is conservative...

And many of those conservatives are Christian...

But, despite our political/religious affiliations, we're all on the same musical journey...

Why am I alone here?

Fox News? Seriously? I think Fox News is far more dangerous to people than the silly CNN and MSNBC nonsense. Fox might actually sucker people that AREN'T stupid into their lies, often by omission. The network that fired the #1 host of the #1 show on their network because he started telling too much truth and couldn't (or wouldn't) be controlled. Sean Hannity is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the military industrial complex and the RINO's. At least if you watch Rachel Maddow you know every word is nonsense. Fox occasionally reports the truth, though I would put it at around 20% of the time, and even that is usually incomplete. Usually the only truth they broadcast is division inducing. It serves a deep state function of keeping people separated. I was under their trance for a while, many years ago. But you need to wake up to their nonsense. There are plenty of reasonable sources on YouTube and X and the good thing there is community notes where the community fact checks everything and you can at least see opposing views with backing evidence to try and find truth in the world. You are not going to find any of it on Fox (or any other cable news channel. Network news of course was a joke even longer ago than the others). I WANT to reed info that has both left, right, center and even whackos chiming in, so you can get an idea of what is going on. We need free speech for that reason. The left and the right spew propaganda and lies, but they also are quick to point out he lies of the other side. Independent voices call out both. Often you can find truth when free speech is open to all views. You can then go with the majority opinion, the minority on, or something that goes in a different direct than both. None of us can know what we DON'T know. When Fox lies by omission, there is no way to question them without hearing more of the story. X is pretty good about getting to the bottom of any topic, and is certainly better than any other option I have found. Thankfully almost all of the left has walked away from MSNBC entirely as they are down to about 50K in the key demographics now. That is less than most small YouTubers with 100K subs or more. Fox still suckers in way more people.

When I flip through the news channels, I usually find FOX reporting who, what, where, when, how, etc... like reporters are supposed to do. But, the other broadcasts just counterpoint what FOX said. Mostly because, "Orange Man Bad!"

FOX doesn't lie by omission... It reports from a highly biased Conservative perspective that I understand and appreciate. The "others" only offer opposing argument; Mostly by propagating "minority special interest" as if all things under the sun should be federally instituted.

I'm not saying FOX is never wrong... But, the opposing arguments are rarely proven to be right.

And the ratings certainly seem to agree...

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5044269-poll-finds-41-percent-find-killing-unacceptable/

Do these millennials even know what they're saying?

I don't condone killing him , but I understand the hate for the health care system. The kid who shot him thru his life away for something that will never change . it's obscene the system .

Health care system is evil, but walking up behind somebody shooting them point blank is more evil.

And it's one guy, what good was that gonna do . And who knows what kinda guy he was.

40% surveyed said right on?
Our country is becoming so immune to shootings

It's disturbing.

Put them out of business, this just brings next guy up

Health care system is evil, but walking up behind somebody shooting them point blank is more evil.

Tell that to people destroyed by bills from doctors. But I agree we've grown immune from gun violence .I've said this many times most guns should be outlawed .but most folks are gun happy, especially in the South.The Bible and guns a twisted out of date ideology . I think if we opened more mental free clinics , it might diminish gun violence and stricter gun control . I keep hearing this... prayers for victims . Secular control is needed , not prayers .

Disarm your brother and rob him blind...
That has been the "ideology" of tyrannical a'holes since Cain and Abel.

Luke 22;
34“I tell you, Peter, before the rooster crows today, you will deny three times that you know me.”

35Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?”

“Nothing,” they answered.

36He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."

Tyrants and thieves only prosper by the patient suffering of the meek. Self defense is a natural God given instinct, not a privilege.
Gun, sword, stick, stone... doesn't matter.
Every dog bites when cornered.

Law is only just when it applies to all.
Law abiding citizens are only peaceful when all are judged equally.
Patience is only a virtue of those who suffer fools...
Greed and tyranny are never tolerated by the moral majority; That's just the natural order of things.

Sometimes we say doing the wrong thing for the right reason is a necessary evil.
But, we still suffer the wages of sin.

I figured you'd give a Biblical rationalization to a secular problem Tony . Thats alright .

There's no such thing as "secular", Elvis...
There's only Truth, and everything else.

According to you , we can't seem to have a grown up conversation . Thats alright you have your take on things , I have mine . I think if a politician stood up and quoted scripture. The people with dead kids might say , that's nice , but have you got any real solutions .

China has one of the lowest rates of gun violence in the world:
Gun-related deaths: China has a very low number of gun-related deaths each year.
Overall crime rate: China has a low overall crime rate. In 2023, the number of serious violent criminal cases decreased 10.7% compared to 2019. United States were gun happy .

I think we can learn a lot from a country 5000-years old

...

Things might change in the Healthcare system , cuz that guy shot one of them . Unfortunately violence changes things. if your paying 13k for an emergency visit , There's not a word in Webster dictionary how obscene that is . Because of the Internet , kids might be overloaded with to much info that turns to violence . just a theory

Nah violence changes nothing. School shootings every year, this will not change healthcare one iota. Billion dollar industries that's just one .

Only thing that might change is ceos walking down the street with no security

Don't know how Springsteen walked around with no security all these years.

Only takes one nut

I guess... wars start over injustice. Health care is a mess , School shootings no idea , crazy kids. wrapped up in political bs I guess. To much internet. I watch maybe 5 minutes a week on bad news events

Disturbing is doctor bills , They're thieves

You spend $5,000.00 per/mo on session players... Why don't you have better insurance?

DISTURBING!?

Disturbing is how the "Socialist Indoctrination System", mainstream media, the music industry, and video games have been fuk'n with kids heads for the last 60yrs (that I know of)... Yet, 50% of the population only wants to talk about Critical Race Theory, gun control, and pre-pubescent sexual identity!!!

STOP TURNING OUR KIDS INTO ENTITLED, DELUSIONAL, ANTI-CHRISTIAN, SEXUALLY ANDROGYNOUS, ANTISOCIAL PSYCHOPATHS YOU STUPID COMMUNIST A$$HOLES!!!

Hey Ben, I'm from Canada....what's a doctor's bill???

No thanks: https://www.heritage.org/health-car...adians-and-leaves-them-worse-financially

John

I wasn't offering...LOL
Steve

Best Health care in the world Index 2024

Taiwan 78.72
South Korea77.7
Australia 74.11
Canada 71.32
Sweden 70.73
Ireland 67.99
Netherland 65.38
Germany 64.66
Norway 64.63
Israel 61.73

They must have forgotten the US

LOL
Steve

In 2022 there were approximately 22.3 maternal deaths for every 100,000 live births in the United States....Canada 8.4...US Black woman lead 49.5....Norway 0.0

US leads in high income nations...

Steve

Life expectancy

Canada 82.72
US 79.46

Steve yeah no doctor bills in Canada . People commit suicide over mounting medical bills in the good ole God , country and trucks USA. Finland are the happiest people .USA is a nightmare of stress . We also love our guns . The Charleston Heston NRA bullshit .in China you don't this gun happy and a 15 - year old killing classmates.

The United States spends nearly twice as much per person on health care as Canada:

2022 total cost per person
In 2022, the total cost per person for health care in the United States was $12,555, compared to $6,319 in Canada.

2022 percentage of GDP
In 2022, the United States spent 16.6% of its GDP on health care, compared to 11.2% in Canada.
Administration costs
In the United States, health care administration costs $1,059 per capita, compared to $307 per capita in Canada.

The United States spends more per person on health care than any other high-income nation. The average amount spent per person in comparable countries is about half of what the U.S. spends.

Well there ya go Steve , Don't get sick in good ole wave the flag USA.

There's a country in Asia they measure how happy you are , not how much money you have ,I forgot the name of the country now.

What happens in Canada is..... no refusal of service...no preexisting conditions...no need to find out if you are covered...and for most no catastrophic bills...

and don't get me going on cost of medication..lolol

Steve

Well I'm a Vet , So USA pays medical stuff . I feel sorry for kids entering the global working market now . They're probably 500k in the hole student debt . ok kid now bye rip off health insurance . Medicare care pays 80% , but if something happened and a bill of a million bucks , that's 200k of debt .I've used medicare in a pinch , them bills aren't no fun at 20%. Yeah pills another draining expense .

Yeah pills another draining expense .

I'll give an example

I use Metoprolol 100mg per day I do not carry insurance and don't really need it

My costs for 90 day supply $26.85
I checked out US prices/no insurance 100mg $528.00

"Physician, heal thyself..."

High cholesterol and 2 pills for being crazy from Army shrinks , free . Not worth it really . I should have went to college at 16 years old , Not join the stupid army. CT scans free for heart condition . Not really free army charges me about $500.00 a year , something like that . Nothing compared to civilian health care costs .

"Physician, heal thyself. kinda Tony , it's work being sane . it's chemical unbalances. Mental illness almost always turns to anger and violence . But some people are so crazy they don't know they're crazy.

Like shooters .

There ya go

I checked out US prices/no insurance 100mg $528.00

You're not crazy, Elvis... just confused

But Steve...? O_o
We have enough problems, I don't want Canada to join the US.

.....

I'm not confused , I produce 2 songs a month run a business with a heart condition and deal with life bullshit like this thread on... lets feel sorry for the CEO on bullshit health care. Agrue with you on religion lol

I don't want Canada to join the US.

Thanks, JAPOV, Il'l set up a conference call and let every Canadian know of your decision....I'm sure it will ease our anxieties....lol
Steve

Me, Elvis, and Dom... maybe Gavin... just want to visit and do some fishin'!

Put it this way, the us is only considered a poor health care system cause of the cost.

It's so "terrible" that smart students from all over the world wanna come here to practice.

There's no hospital in the world you'd rather be but in New York, or similar metropolis.

Yes, it's bad for the consumer. I stayed 6 days and it caught my insurance 100k, and that didn't include "private contractors™

I developed a tremendous respect for health care workers. What they go through on a daily basis the long hours , the constant complaining, but the way they handle gross sights , blood, and majority have genuine concerns for patients.

Not just a job.

But with greatness comes premium costs.

It's insane, don't know how you balance it.

Me, Elvis, and Dom... maybe Gavin... just want to visit and do some fishin'!


Now we're talking . My dad was born in Moosejaw Canada. I don't know why the hell they came to San Fran in 1940 or so , money I guess.

Dom I have no problem with health care workers , But the cost is obscene.

Vet Hospitals treat me good, for the vast amount of volume they receive of vets. I wish they'd stop saying thanks for your service , Shite I was in trouble most times

Me, Elvis, and Dom... maybe Gavin... just want to visit and do some fishin'!

You guys are in luck, I just checked the ice thickness this morning....another couple of inches and I'll be putting the hut out...

Me, Elvis, and Dom... maybe Gavin... just want to visit and do some fishin'!

You guys are in luck, I just checked the ice thickness this morning....another couple of inches and I'll be putting the hut out...

Ha Ha Ha , lets go

No argument about the costs, even copays on medicines. Fuckin walk out of the pharmacy with 3 pills lasting 30 days 100 bucks. And that's not exotic meds by any means how much is this [naughty word removed] without insurance?

I think pharma is more corrupt.

And the lawmakers.

Most people who practice medicine do what they have to keep their license

I was a Navy Corpsman(FMS)... Lol

You guys have NO IDEA what goes on behind the scenes

I won't bore you with my illustrious 2 year army hitch

Oh, go ahead

Re-locate nerve gas on Johnson Island
Test Tanks over a girder bridge at FT Knox Kentucky , In jail for drugs there
Protect Nixon from rioters at the White House , fist fight with the mess hall cook there
We missed DC and ended up in Maryland on a 3000 deuce and half half caravan
I told the officer in charge , what ya fuking stupid , court marshal on that
Went awol and broke horses in Livermore Calif , How they found me no clue .. in jail again
Played football , broke my ankle . I'm limping now in the winter
talked out of going to Nam from a combat vet , kid they would kill you. I was 17
Tell every girl war stories when I got home , worked pretty well getting laid
Thats the highlights
Thats disturbing

I think pharma is more corrupt.

And the lawmakers.

Yes

USA is full of stress . Trumps a ashole, but lets see if he does anything besides blow off his mouth

The main reason our wait times are so long is because so many greedy Doctors that graduate here in Canada, and other countries, want to become millionaires in a short time, which they can in the USA. So as soon as they can, they are off to the USA leaving us in short supply.

they are millionaires , that's the problem. Vet hospitals use Stanford grads , Not sure how that all works on being millionaires

Ben....Quit writing songs...there's a book to be written just in what you have here...lolol
Steve

What being a trouble maker ? All the bankers say here comes trouble , You girls ever dream about money , no . liars. What ya expect from a teenager in the army ?

You can always blame those rich doctors for the problems in our health care in our country, but is it really the main cause? I'm not on that bandwagon....It is one of the reasons, but IMO not the main one....an interesting statistic....35.5% of Cdns are overweight and 30% are obese...so 65.5% of us are fat pigs....that IMO is at the heart of the problem...think of all the diseases and health issues directly related to weight issues....diabetes, stroke,heart attacks, bypass surgery, hip replacement, knee replacement, liver/kidney issues etc, etc... 1 in 10 Cdns has diabetes, a crisis????....the moment we decide to become proactive in our own health care, instead of reactive we will see a drop in lineups, IMO....the doctors are not the problem....we, the people, are the problem...so everybody...stop complaining and lose 50 lbs

Steve

Keep writing songs , you'll lose weight from the stress , Listen to yourself sing , Jesus you suck. lol.

It takes money just to be a doctor.

When you think basic college today costs about 25-50 k per semester.

So by the time you are done it's 200 to 400 k just to graduate basic college.

student loans, maybe you get a percentage of help, but it has to be paid back.

Now if you have ambitions if being a doctor, you're going to need double that, if not triple that ormore.

Same time, you will have no money while doing it, and where do you live?

If the answer is parents, well you better believe they have serious money to flip that bill.

Gone are the days where a student can get a part time job at Starbucks and support themselves

Bull [naughty word removed] not with rent at 2000-3000 a month

So then you make a salary as an intern, then go to work for another Dr till you get out of debt, which can literally be a decade.

Many work for hospitals , and never go to private practice cause of the cost. cost of a place to work, and how many patients you have to see just to break even , discourages them

Not to mention the stress of going through all that.

You either have rich parents, or you basically don't become a Dr.

Maybe if foreign you can study free over there, then come here to pass certs.

But we wonder why Drs become so money hungry..they literally are.

You spend $5,000.00 per/mo on session players... Why don't you have better insurance?

No I don't . I'm a vet , free insurance and medicare . I'm pretty healthy for 71 , just that fuking heart problem that annoys me . I'd rather go out on music , than fuking life bullshit. Let's worry about a roof before I'm dead . I like music not fuking useless houses .

now after I gave some helpful info on mikes , your busting my balls , What's next religion again ?

Worry about Tony , not ole Elvis

Reducing triage down to a simple algorithm is probably the most useful thing AI can do... But they will never allow AI to counter the greed of big pharma or the FDA.

Insurance companies and lawyers have been dictating medical practice for many years... AI is streamlining that process as well.

Doctors have always been greedy and proud a'holes with a god complex...
Now, they're just pissed!

Hey, that's no way to treat your best inspiration!
Have some respect

Ha ha ha

It depends on where your statistics come from Steve. Using Statista, Canada's not even in the first 26 countries. Besides these statistics are impossible to measure. Too many variables. Depends on what they're using to compile the data. As far as successful surgeries... example, the surgeons they're getting the success rate from are either poor surgeons (more bad outcomes), or great surgeons (more good outcomes). I did know one Canadian that had to wait for 6 months for cancer surgery. And he had to travel 400 miles. Also, Canadian taxes are 52% higher than the USA. Most of which goes to their health system. As far as the USA, my wife and I have had great experiences with good doctors and great surgeons.

John

I agree, rankings are about cost...to consumers and access.

If you don't mind waiting 6 weeks for an appointment national care is for you.

We also have a lot of slum areas that bring our top end down.

But as I said, as long as your covered you can't beat the top places in new York.


Mount Sinai Health System
According to Newsweek/Statista, Mount Sinai Hospital is ranked among the best in the world for patient care. It was ranked number one in New York City for "World's Best Smart Hospitals 2025" and number one in New York City for five service lines in "World's Best Specialized Hospitals 2025".

NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital
In 2005, U.S.News & World Report ranked NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital as one of the nation's top 10 hospitals. It was also the only New York metropolitan-area hospital to rank in all 17 medical specialties listed.

NYU Langone
NYU Langone hospitals have some of the highest rankings in the United States, and nine of their specialties are among the top five in the nation.
New York's maternal mortality rate
New York's maternal mortality rate is better than much of the country, ranking seventh for the metric.

And everybody in America knows that the VA is precisely what socialized medicine looks like... On a good day

war time medicine is a different thing altogether

https://www.magazine.medicaltourism.com/article/what-are-the-best-countries-for-surgery

Not to mention there are many Americans who never pay a dime for treatment.

So we have FREE medicine here, when it's not free.

It comes out of donations.

But cities in poverty who can't afford quality care skews the numbers held up by the top facilities and areas

It was Reagan who started the law that says no hospital can turn away somebody who can't pay

WTF!?
I've been battling with the VA since '92.

"ACTIVE DUTY" medical care is an entirely different ball game!
How do you think I know all doctors are pretentious a'holes!
"Overworked and underpaid, I'd be making 5 times as much money as a civilian! This $hit barely pays for my education!"

Trust me, Dom... Doctors only do it for the money and prestige. Even THEY laugh about the "Hippocratic Oath"...

All a doctor does is cross-check your symptoms and lab results with a list of most probable diagnoses, then shoot those results to his office staff to make certain your insurance will cover the treatment. If the insurance provider balks, then the doctor provides another diagnosis for you... so he can still get paid.

Not true. And yeah, I've been a patient of a number of callus assholes, and recently was roaming hallways and getting snubbed by some after making the mistake of saying good morning.

I know all about that. But there's just as many who do care. I had a prominent cardiologist weap when he told me my dad was gone.

He said, son never seen anything like this, I dint know if you believe in God, or not, but this one was out of my hands.

There are a lot of dicks too you're right about that.

But if you wanna be rich as a Dr you better be a highly specialized doctor, where you can get your investment back fast.

The basic Dr is not rich,vl and you'd be surprised how modest they live cause of debt.

But nothing wrong with getting paid well for your services.

Wed gladly take the money for our music if we could, while still loving what we do

https://www.careermoneymoves.com/blog/2021/10/16/9-reasons-doctors-arent-as-rich-as-you-may-think

You're missing the point...
What does a doctor's feelings or compensation have to do with his practice?
Medicine is just the statistical study of human physiology and chemical response.
Today, that information will fit on most phones...

All a doctor does is cross-check your symptoms and lab results with a list of most probable diagnoses, then shoot those results to his office staff to make certain your insurance will cover the treatment. If the insurance provider balks, then the doctor provides another diagnosis for you... so he can still get paid.

It's all a fuk'n racket!

Cause you wrote this

Trust me, Dom... Doctors only do it for the money and prestige. Even THEY laugh about the "Hippocratic Oath"...

Lol... and you equated modern medicine with the music industry.
Funny how crooks all think alike...

145 k a year for highly skilled er doctor dies not sound rich to me.

Comfortable yes, but look at the stress of the job, I know people who never went to college who make more.

Then try to save to open your own practice. Some just stay where they are.

https://www.talent.com/salary?job=emergency+medicine+physician&location=new+york

Nothing wrong with getting paid for your talents

You're missing the point...
What does a doctor's feelings or compensation have to do with his practice?
Medicine is just the statistical study of human physiology and chemical response.
Today, that information will fit on most phones...

All a doctor does is cross-check your symptoms and lab results with a list of most probable diagnoses, then shoot those results to his office staff to make certain your insurance will cover the treatment. If the insurance provider balks, then the doctor provides another diagnosis for you... so he can still get paid.

It's all a fuk'n racket!

At one time diagnostic tests didn't exist, you had to really know what you're doing. Today you don't, and AI is going to take over.

But yeah, among everything else it's a business.

So is preaching. The Graham family were worth 50 million, what's worse?

Lol... You buy in to a doctor's god complex, fine.
How many times have you said, "Yesterday's miracles are today's science??"

I sincerely hope modern medical practice answers your prayers, Dom.

If you can afford it...

Your talking about a totally different thing now. You've gone from saying medicine is a racket , and a money grab, to about having prayers answered.

Hal Lindsay certainly didn't answer any prayers, but he was wealthier than most Drs.

How do you not see the racket in that?

Focus, Dom...

You're missing the point...
What does a doctor's feelings or compensation have to do with his practice?
Medicine is just the statistical study of human physiology and chemical response.
Today, that information will fit on most phones...

All a doctor does is cross-check your symptoms and lab results with a list of most probable diagnoses, then shoot those results to his office staff to make certain your insurance will cover the treatment. If the insurance provider balks, then the doctor provides another diagnosis for you... so he can still get paid.

It's all a fuk'n racket!

Lol... You buy in to a doctor's god complex, fine.
How many times have you said, "Yesterday's miracles are today's science??"

I sincerely hope modern medical practice answers your prayers, Dom.

If you can afford it...

Prayer is still free, Dom...

And since you've brought up Hal Lindsey again...
I'm bored now, I'll leave you with that.

Good cause I must get ready for Notre Dame to take down Indiana.

bitching like ole ladies on Andy Of Mayberry

What is the tax rate in the USA. I know they are the most expensive of the countries that I get royalties from. They charge me 30%, UK 20%, Australia 10%. 30% is federal tax, state tax would be extra.

Rate... O_o , what's a "Tax Rate"?
EVERYTHING is taxed in America...
We tax Cow Farts!

"Boston Tea Party"? LOL... We were just cutting out the competition!

Yup. No Hal needed

What is the tax rate in the USA. I know they are the most expensive of the countries that I get royalties from. They charge me 30%, UK 20%, Australia 10%. 30% is federal tax, state tax would be extra.[/quote

Depends how much you earn. I believe lowest percentage is 10%. Part timers pay that.

But work over time and it goes up for that week.

Id say most Americans pay 20. It goes up for the more you make. Filthy rich can pay 35% 40% unless they find loops

But then there's state tax as well.

And social security.....

Expect to lose 25% of your earnings.

Hey Everett. I was just debunking the myth that Canada’s healthcare is free. I’m sure our tax rate is higher. About 20% of our taxes go to health insurance like Medicare, Obamacare and Medicaid.

John

Steve

I don’t know Steve , let me install a pellet stove today
Cuz it’s as cold as Canada today , the lake I live on has no pike .

John wrote

It depends on where your statistics come from Steve. Using Statista, Canada's not even in the first 26 countries. Besides these statistics are impossible to measure. Too many variables. Depends on what they're using to compile the data. As far as successful surgeries... example, the surgeons they're getting the success rate from are either poor surgeons (more bad outcomes), or great surgeons (more good outcomes). I did know one Canadian that had to wait for 6 months for cancer surgery. And he had to travel 400 miles. Also, Canadian taxes are 52% higher than the USA. Most of which goes to their health system. As far as the USA, my wife and I have had great experiences with good doctors and great surgeons.

Hey Everett. I was just debunking the myth that Canada’s healthcare is free. I’m sure our tax rate is higher. About 20% of our taxes go to health insurance like Medicare, Obamacare and Medicaid.


John, when you use "one Canadian" example to prove your point....it doesn't resonate....I've used our system, as an adult,for 60 years, longest wait, ever, including last year...about 90 minutes...that's just as silly a point....and it seems you know little about Canadian geography....about 90% of our population lives within 100 miles of the USA ...in a country with 3 million+ square miles(2nd largest country on earth)...thousands of Canadians have to travel hundreds of miles for surgery. I live in rural Nova Scotia and I can walk to the hospital in 15 minutes...it depends on where you live...and yes, there may be a wait for it...but that is not the norm

I'm not sure that Canadians ever say our system is free....so I'm not sure what you are debunking....my comment was..."what's a doctor's bill? In Canada...I have never had to pay for doctor care or hospital care as is the case with most citizens...doctors are primarily paid by the gov....and we have excellent doctors in Canada

Of course we are going to pay more in taxes than in the US...why? That's because we pay for about 70% of our health care costs through taxation..
And yes we do have private insurance for such things as dental care..but that is also changing as we speak...
But we also have higher taxes for another big reason....Our population base does not support our land mass...it costs a lot of money to run a country 3,855,100 square miles in size with 40.1 million people...as s minimum we need about 500,000 immigrants, yearly, just to maintain what we have....take away 290+- million people from your land????

I don't know how many people are uninsured when seeing a doctor/going to a hospital in the US....in Canada 0% +-

Anyway, my original comment was said in jest to Ben but would Canadians want to move to a system like the US, even with all our warts, some, might, but I know "one Canadian" who won't "ME".....Our health care system is just fine thank you, and I get to live longer than the average American....hmmmm....I wonder why that is? Might it have something to do with the quality of health care provided in Canada vs the US.... LOLOL

I'll send you a couple of northern sturgeon to populate your lake...lol
This morning it was -5 Celsius ...lake is frozen....thinking about going to my old fishing ground...John's Pass...Florida...little deep sea for amberjack

"Our health care system is just fine thank you, and I get to live longer than the average American....hmmmm....I wonder why that is?" - VNORTH2

Because Americans eat like pigs in grease joints like McDonald's - ha, ha.

John

Oh, I think we can match you pound for pound....LOL

Yes, that's an excellent point. If people are healthier then it's easier to doctor them.

We're the most obese country in the world, we consume a lot if fast food to keep up the hustle and bustie.

Also one of the richest countries, able to over eat.

But how do our doctors and hospital measure up as far as knowing what they're doing.
Pretty high

I'll send you a couple of northern sturgeon to populate your lake...lol
This morning it was -5 Celsius ...lake is frozen....thinking about going to my old fishing ground...John's Pass...Florida...little deep sea for amberjack


I’m exaggerating like always , yes send some sturgeon

I don’t eat at McDonald’s by the way

We get some snow in January , why the pellet stove today , propane prices are worst than the government.

Hmm so we rank so low, why is it the hardest medical license to get...

https://www.mastersdegree.net/hardest-exams-in-the-us/#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20Medical%20Licensing%20Examination%20(USMLE)%20takes%20the%20top,each%20of%20its%20three%20steps.

We just had our first snow last night...forecast was 20-40 cm 8 to 16 inches about 8cm arrived...s/b 1st white Christmas in a few years

We just had our first snow last night...forecast was 20-40 cm 8 to 16 inches about 8cm arrived...s/b 1st white Christmas in a few year


My family is from Moosejaw
So I heard all the snow stories growing up

Ranking obesity in the World. USA #10. Canada #50. Ha, ha, we win!!! Oh, wait a minute...
https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/

John

Back in the '80's I lived 1 hour from Moose Jaw (Regina) so I know of what you speak....-35 celsius for days and days

Back in the '80's I lived 1 hour from Moose Jaw (Regina) so I know of what you speak....-35 celsius for days and days

Dirt floors they polished and digging out the snow from windows to get out
And you guessed it... walking miles to get to a one room school house, about 1939 or so.

My grandpa was chained in a box car , They thought he was crazy . He had a broken appendix
Hopping trains looking for work in the 30's or so. He died on that train
My dad told that story often , but once in awhile said he was kicked by a horse.

Well back to the shooter , basically wasted his life for a corrupt system that will never change

This kind of stuff actually scares me...
Government always thinks it should control everything for the public's own good.
So, does this mean that the whole world should envy Ethiopia?

This kind of stuff actually scares me...
Government always thinks it should control everything for the public's own good.
So, does this mean that the whole world should envy Ethiopia?

Walmart thinking I guess. The richer the town , the more on nutrition and healthy lives.
San Rafael Calif , healthy people, Clear Lake Calif , Not healthy people. $$$$$$$$$. College Educated , drop outs. The Government should control people , stop eating fast food , it's garbage. Every freeway exit , garbage next exit .

Now the shooter was privileged and educated , go figure .

As I said disturbing. WTF is wrong with these woke kids

its SNL . what did you expect ?

The show was never funny, occasionally with the not ready for primetime characters...

But I'm talking about the crowd. Even Yost was awkward with it.

Murder should not be applauded. Ok killing Saddam or Bin Ladin, understandable, but better to just say ok done.

This is sickening

I'm kinda over it , I don't follow the bad world to much. Well some deal with stress with laughter

That wasn't laughter. That was hooray for our hero.

Anybody capable of doing that cold do it to anyone

I don't know , perhaps , Well to go back over what I said earlier , Maybe some are glad on disrupting the corrupt system by killing the CEO. System is pretty fuked up.

Yes thats exactly why, only they are wrong thinking it disrupted anything.
Cowardly walking behind somebody and shooting them, figuring the guy might beat his ass down if he saw him.

Loser, an no wonder there is a school shooting every week

Meanwhile,
A 15y/o girl with a 9mm at a "private christian school" is barely newsworthy...

I wonder why MSM is burying THAT story?

Yeah, but it's all tied together, our youth are some of the most mean spirited, , entitled, pieces of garbage there is.

I take that back I know some good kids who just wanna drink and get laid, which is preferable.

But look at YouTube, tik Tok, Facebook, the fuckin hating kids are all over it

Maybe kids get sick of the system , Though the government is to powerful to change anything really.
I try to keep my world going , I'm not to concerned with bad world at 71-years old. It's mess like always .

There's no maybes. It's right and wrong.

You should be concerned with bad world, you live in it

https://youtube.com/shorts/mtVWNrT97GY?si=NObyUUzSdBZmHNwE

You should be concerned with bad world, you live in it

I work the music , Nothing I can do about the bad world , unless I wanted to run for office.

I live in a small town , most that shite happens in cities, over crowded cess pools. FB is ego driven by kids , like forums. it's a psychological release to feel superior. Thats not the real person .
So you're going waste your time on that bad world ? If you feel so strongly about it , write and sing a song about it .

As opposed to wasting your time here? Lol

Your so enamored d with the non bad world, that you are here in every thread...

Apparently the non bad world is not enough for ya.

And for somebody to be a songwriter, and not care about the world .. I dint know. That's what songwriting is based on

its not that I don't care about the bad world , Nothing I can do about man , Write a song and sing it , about it.

When he thinks about Lennon
Being murdered by a Chapman
He wishes all the bad would stop happening

Power to the people, power to people right on

The people ? I don't know Dom . Pretty messy problems

The world, mainly yourself in it, is where songs come from .

A love song is not just a love song, it's a love sing in a certain time period, with social implications, even historical .....with current ways of expressing it.

Just a thought doesn't have to be that

Otherwise the connection may not be made

Lovers .. in a dangerous time. Bruce Cocburn

Political songs don't to well , at least what most hit writers say in country
Its all over the map really on topics on songs .

listen enough to be misinformed , on the bad world

Don't believe everything you think

Not meaning political, meaning sociological

Most writers write songs that are old, musically and lyrically, and irrelevant.

It's not easy hard enough to write snything

Most writers write songs that are old, musically and lyrically, and irrelevant.

Not accomplished writers

And you?

I do alright . Last 2 songs Nashville publishers loved them , But does not fit what pretty boy Nashville boys are doing . So the plan is sync to pitch now. Will see what happens. Nashville publishers are real picky , they know what makes them money or not , or have good handle on it , that's why they're in biz .

And you?

And you? That was explained... Gods Cadillac and Extinct. We pitched . it's still the same old problem absorbing costs on recording and hoping for a cut. You can bitch and moan all day , it's the game .

Well or waste my time why USA everybody thinks they're Daniel Boone and gun happy , its not changing NRA is to powerful , So more shootings , the new norm .

La la la "My daddy shot Santa" la la...

Right... Santa is next killed by rednecks

Samantha said...
There's a light in my window
An agonizing glow
No future ,no option, no prayer

My parents hate each other
A mistake that they suffer
Sits alone in her chair

Samantha said...
My window to the madness
The death and the sadness
Shows me a way, a purpose

An action without words
By a girl no one heard
To highlight the psycho circus

Samantha said...
My wicked window flickers
And shows me bloody pictures
As I slowly lose myself

I'm screaming as I type
For meaning in my life
But the world is going deaf

Samantha said...
It's not the world I want
This absurd repetition
I'd rather die than live a lie
I have to make them listen
Samantha said... they have to listen

Mr. Mangione, who is a 26-year-old graduate of the University of Pennsylvania, is accused of slaying the chief executive of UnitedHealthCare, Brian Thompson. The killing took place at dawn on December 5, outside a hotel at Midtown Manhattan. In some quarters, Mr. Mangione is seen as something of an avenger against a healthcare system deemed predatory.

He's being called a folk hero

New York Times

I think just what I said , people are sick of the health care system

True, which is how and why they are openly a slave labor economy. If the slaves all had guns, I doubt many of them would still be slaves, and there certainly would be opposition with the ability to take out the slave masters in each slaves hands.

Yeah a folk hero who stalks a man and shoots him cold blooded in the back,

Then runs away trying to allude law enforcement.

If he's such a hero why didn't he turn himself in and plead guilty... BULLSHIT

Maybe, but then every company owner who hires people to work for peanuts would be dead if they all had a gun

Every doctor who didn't cure a patient would be dead

Slavery was a dark time in our history, and you're right, things would have ended differently

New York Times , not me

Thats true , so more guns for us. Well not me , I hate guns

Put it this way. If he had avoided the police and got away with it,

Nobody would have known who did it, and he wasn't going to take credit for it.

Some people think he's actually going to be found not guilty.

He threw his life away, for something 99% of the population would never do. even the people applauding .

Some of these idiots think e will be found not guilty

And we still gotta pay medical bills

And we still gotta pay medical bills. Yup , it won't change .13k to go to emergency. My bookkeeper was bitching about health care prices. 4k for a root canal problem , out of pocket

My bill was over 100k fir 6 days. And that was all covered. The x-rays and anesthesia wasn't.

Tests are the biggest cost to us.

But the whole system is broken, killing a guy won't change that

But the whole system is broken, killing a guy with my change that, Naw like you said body guards for CEO's. Lucky I'm a vet , they're not bad.. over worked maybe

It's dangerous for anyone to walk in New York, lol let's face it.

It's surprising to me to see this guy do that. Yep that parts gonna change.

There's gonna be copy cats, another reason these idiots applauding are going to make it worse

There's gonna be copy cats, another reason these idiots applauding are going to make it worse. probably. More gun sales is my guess

"More gun sales is my guess"

I used to think the 2nd amendment was too protectionist of gun rights, and the laws did not evolve with the firepower being generated by today's guns.

But my mind was changed by Marty who said the only reason he owns a gun is to protect himself from others(idiots) who have them.

As horrific as that sounded to me, it was the best and most appropriate argument I have heard that supports gun ownership rights.

Does not make it right or good in my books, but it is definitely understandable and as such I'm on side for that reason.

Not that it needs my approval

Well firstly we don't get any practice for an emergency attack it will happen when your gun is in your closet and of no use to you if somebody attacks you.

If you have never fired a gun, probably won't help you much...

Secondly it's not guns. This kid coulda stabbed the CEO or macheted him. Or run him over with a car.

Guns can make a bad situation worse, but seldom are the cause of the problem

I never liked guns and should be banned
But we all that will never happen
So more shooters with assault rifles , new norm for years now .

More music, less guns!

Calif is more on invention of AI
The south is more right to bare arms , Daniel Boone and all that

4k comments on guns and nothing on a song , This site cares more about politics and religion than music .

More music, more fun

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1658888505053176

Take it from a 3 year old. More music, more fun

https://www.facebook.com/reel/8636713046379037

Right better than pointless religion and politics

Lol... Kid Rock! Trump Victory Rally!

Fox only reports what you want to hear Tony. That is called propaganda: ideas or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause.

In many European countries Fox doesn't have the permission to broadcast. They are not viewed as news. Countries like Germany have gone through this stuff some 80 years ago. They know better.

Lol, Whatever, Rob...

Kid Rock sure sounded great at the "VICTORY RALLY"

ON FOX!

Tony, I love your quote here. I read it over and over again. That is one of the best hook lines I've seen in a while. If you don't believe me, listen to this:

Update: I wasn't aware of the fact that the hook line that I used was actually the hook line and title of a song Tony had written 15 years ago. His original song is too close to what i came up with. I had never heard his song before but the lyrics and the melodies are very similar. I apologize. It wasn't my intention to make a close copy of Tony's song. Therefore, I'm taking this one off the board.

Two Hours From Nashville

[Verse]
Got a six-string in the backseat, an old amp in the trunk
This beat-up car is my chariot, though it smells like sweat and junk
I’ve been playing dive bars for quarters, dreaming ‘bout the Opry stage
Tonight, it’s another smokey room where the tips don’t match the wage

[Pre-chorus]
The radio plays a country tune, and I sing along in my head
A little voice says, “Keep driving,” but my wallet says, “Stay instead”

[Chorus]
I’m two hours from Nashville and can’t afford the gas
A tank full of dreams but the money’s running out fast
I’ve got the heart, I’ve got the songs, but the road’s too long to pass
I’m two hours from Nashville and can’t afford the gas

[Verse]
Every mile marker feels like a tease, so close yet so far
A skyline of promises that’s just out of reach for this guitar
I’ve written songs about heartache, and now I’m living one tonight
‘Cause the only thing between me and my dream is a needle stuck on “E” light

[Pre-chorus]
The radio plays a country tune, and I sing along in my head
A little voice says, “Keep driving,” but my wallet says, “Stay instead”

[Chorus]
I’m two hours from Nashville and can’t afford the gas
A tank full of dreams but the money’s running out fast
I’ve got the heart, I’ve got the songs, but the road’s too long to pass
I’m two hours from Nashville and can’t afford the gas

[Bridge]
Someday I’ll make it, I’ll play those hallowed halls
The crowd will sing along to my story, the rise after the falls
Tonight I’ll strum my guitar, in a nowhere-town café
Knowing every note I play is one step closer to that day

[Chorus]
I’m two hours from Nashville and can’t afford the gas
A tank full of dreams but the money’s running out fast
I’ve got the heart, I’ve got the songs, but the road’s too long to pass
I’m two hours from Nashville and can’t afford the gas

[Outro]
So I’ll sing to the stars and the moonlight on this highway
Hoping they’ll guide me, or at least keep the doubt at bay
I’m two hours from Nashville, but it’s not the end of my path
‘Cause someday I’ll make it—who needs gas when you’ve got the last laugh?
I’m two hours from Nashville and can’t afford the gas

My 6-string's ridin' shotgun and wearing my old hat
This beat up old truck has been to Hell-n-Back
Been playin' local bars, dreamin'bout the Opry
If home is where your love is, may the good Lord forgive me

Every street sign tells me what direction I should choose
My heart says “Keep on goin'" but my rent is past due

I’m two hours from Nashville but can’t afford the gas
My tank is full of dreams but my money’s burnin' fast
I sing songs about life, truth, and love that never lasts
I’m two hours from Nashville but can’t afford the gas

I play for wings and beer 'caue I can't afford groceries
The money I make barely pays for guitar strings
The ladies like to dance but dismiss me with a laugh
Died alone and broke will be my epitaph

They say I'm hopeless but love to hear me sing
I swear this stop sign is mocking me

[Chorus]
[Bridge]
Someday I’ll show'em, I’ll play those hallowed halls
That manager at Walmart won't be laughing at all

[Chorus]
[Outro]
The new girl they hired to be a greeter
Maybe she can be my backup singer...

I like my lyrics better but yours put a smile on my face.

BTW...
Nothing says "Not Guilty" like a Biden Presidential "Preemptive" Pardon! LMFAO

Cheer up, ya'll... it's a HISTORIC DAY!

I agree. Giving a President the power to pardon people is so stupid. Things like that are not possible in many other countries. Politicians in other countries are also not allowed to be invested in the stock market or issue their own cryptocurrencies. There's a reason for that.

I’m happy for you that watching Fox News makes you feel good. You might have to watch it more often during the next 4 years. It will be interesting to see who they will blame if inflation rises again. Biden? Not sure. Probably Musk. Just like 8 years ago, Trump has a long list of people he can fire. We’ll see what happens.

CRYPTOCURRENCY!

Just one step closer to a global bank and monetary system...

NOT a fan.

Stop using this thread for a rant section.

AGING ROCKERS BICKERING!
AND WRITING!

WHAT ARE YOU DOING, DOM?

Hey Tony,
I’m surely missing something. I learned that the rioters on Jan 6 were not Trump supporters. They were antifa disguised as Trump supporters. Fox and other so-called news channels reported that and Trump posted that too. Accordingly, in 2022 most of the Republicans believed the riot was led by violent left-wing protesters. The rioters went to court and some were found guilty, some even pleaded guilty. So, the left-wing protesters were locked up. Trumps apparently doesn’t like that and now pardons all of them? I’m confused. To me, that doesn't make much sense. They are left. They broke the law and were convicted. Why does he pardon them? All of them.

Nothing says "Not Guilty" like a Biden Presidential "Preemptive" Pardon...
FOR HIS WHOLE FAMILY!

Be patient, Rob. There's a LOT of moving parts at the moment.

And a lot of evidence being destroyed...

Hi Tony,
your response didn’t help me much to understand why Trump just pardoned over 1000 left-wing terrorists. Of course, it makes sense if they are all Trump supporters and not left-wingers. They were all convicted (by Democrats AND Republicans).

You’re right, there are A LOT of moving parts at the moment.

I was wondering why all of a sudden Trump shows such a big interest in Panama. In German television they say the reason is because Trump owns a big hotel there and in 2019 his organization was charged with tax evasion and they failed to report employee salaries to Panama’s social security agency. The litigation is still before the courts. So now Trump is using his power as the American President to solve his legal issues in Panama. It has nothing to do with the Panama Canal and the costs for American ships. Once again, he’s lying to the American people, just like with the Jan 4 left-wing rioters. Fox News probably won’t tell you what is really going on in Panama. Like many Americans, you probably don't care, right?

No. I DON'T care.

We've already endured 8yrs of blatant political lawfare...
Lawfare that NOBODY would ever hear about if Trump wasn't president.

"Wag the Dog" much, Rob?

The thread was about Pete Townshend, a musician, iu talking about Trump thinking as long as your OP wasn't political or religion, you'd get by.

You think people are stupid, because that's yourself projecting on others

You re-created the "Rant Arena", Dom...

Trump just declassified the JFK/MLK assassination records...
I suspect there's going to be a lot of speculation regarding the racial bias of Lyndon B Johnson and the Democrat Party.

Can you point to the actual source of your news?

How you went to your conclusion is beyond me except I suspect your just another point of view is designed to provoke.

So provoke on. Don't let me interrupt

Lol... It was one of Trump's latest executive orders.

As far as my own opinion is concerned, just consider it another "Occam's Razor" moment... compliments of JAPOV

Dang you are plugged in. I woke ...yup I'm woke....up this am to the news.

I'd looked for the story last night when you posted.

Read the Bible, watch FOX News, play guitar

January 2025 | Volume 54, Issue 1
What We Know and What We Don’t About January 6

John Daniel Davidson
Senior Editor, The Federalist

The following is adapted from a talk delivered at a Hillsdale College luncheon in Anchorage, Alaska, on January 22, 2025.


Just hours after his inauguration on January 20, President Trump pardoned more than 1,500 people convicted of offenses related to the events of January 6, 2021. He commuted the sentences of fourteen additional people whose cases for a full pardon are still under review.

Earlier that morning, to less fanfare, President Biden had issued “preemptive pardons”—a type of presidential pardon with no historical precedent­—to all the members and staff of the House Select Committee on January 6 and to all the U.S. Capitol and D.C. Metropolitan police officers who testified before that committee.

What could better illustrate that what happened at the U.S. Capitol on January 6 has become a political Rorschach test on which Americans remain deeply divided?

Partisans on the Left accept the official narrative of the Democrats and the corporate press, believing that January 6 amounted to an insurrection and a violent attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 election.

Partisans on the Right believe that however bad the events of that day were, the federal government’s reaction has been even worse, amounting to a weaponization of the Department of Justice to criminalize certain political views.

Many ordinary Americans are left wondering what to believe. With those Americans in mind, it is helpful to sift through what we have learned about January 6 over the past four years—and to note the things that we still don’t know.

The official report of the House Select Committee, which runs to more than 800 pages, is too deeply biased to give much help. This was foreordained given the hyper-partisan way the Select Committee was formed. Then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rejected then-House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s two Republican appointments to the committee—Representatives Jim Jordan and Jim Banks—and instead appointed two virulently anti-Trump Republicans, Representatives Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger.

The Select Committee’s report, issued in December 2022, omitted important information about January 6 and failed to address many lingering questions about the government’s role and response. Its partisan (and specifically anti-Trump) purpose can be deduced from its recommendations: that the Department of Justice pursue criminal charges against Trump and that Congress bar Trump from ever again holding federal office.

In some instances, the Select Committee showed a blatant disregard for facts. It claimed, for example, that Trump was aware of violence at the Capitol for more than three hours—187 minutes, to be exact—before he took action to intervene. Cheney referred to this as a “supreme dereliction of duty.” But in fact, according to a timeline of events compiled by The New York Times (and corroborated by The Washington Post), no more than 25 minutes passed between the reported breach of the Capitol at 2:13 p.m. and Trump’s first tweet addressing the situation at 2:38 p.m., when he wrote, “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!” About 30 minutes later, Trump again took to Twitter to address the demonstrators: “I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order—respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!”

More important than the report’s factual errors are the serious questions never investigated by the Select Committee. Why did Democrat congressional leaders turn down repeated offers of National Guard troops to protect the Capitol that day? Why was security so lax outside the Capitol despite expectations of a large demonstration? How many FBI informants and other undercover federal law enforcement officials were in the crowd? What communication did the FBI or FBI informants have with protest organizers ahead of the event? Why wasn’t then-Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund told there were federal informants in the crowd? Why did the U.S. Capitol Police open the doors and allow demonstrators into the building? Why did federal law enforcement authorities demand cell phone location data for the thousands of people who were outside the Capitol but broke no laws? Why does the FBI still have no idea who planted the pipe bombs near the headquarters of the Republican National Committee and the Democratic National Committee on the evening of January 5?

Defenders of the official narrative accuse those who ask such questions of being conspiracists. But until those questions are answered, our understanding of January 6—no matter our political leanings—will be incomplete.

***

Here is what we know happened. On the morning of January 6, 2021, tens of thousands of Trump supporters gathered for a rally on The Ellipse, a park south of the White House, to show support for the President and protest what they believed were irregularities and election fraud that marred the 2020 election. Trump addressed the crowd and then encouraged them to march to the U.S. Capitol to protest “peacefully and patriotically.” Trump never incited the audience or suggested anything other than peaceful demonstrations. Indeed, many of those present at The Ellipse had applied for and been issued permits by the Capitol Police to stage events and host speakers on the U.S. Capitol grounds that day—a common enough occurrence in Washington, D.C.

Before Trump had even finished speaking, a separate and much smaller group had already gathered at the Capitol and breached the first set of outdoor barriers. As the main body of peaceful demonstrators made their way from The Ellipse to the U.S. Capitol grounds, confrontations between this smaller group and Capitol Police were already underway, and eventually a riot ensued. The demonstrators marching toward the Capitol had no way of knowing what was underway while they were still at The Ellipse watching Trump speak. And owing to the size of the Capitol grounds—some 23 acres—it was unclear to many, even upon arriving at the Capitol, what was happening.

Much of what we have learned about this is from more than 40,000 hours of security footage that had been kept under seal by House Democrat leadership and excluded from the Select Committee’s inquiry. This security video was released to Tucker Carlson by Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy after Republicans took over the majority in the House in the 2022 midterms. Among other things, it shows clearly that after the chaos had subsided, U.S. Capitol Police were ushering people into the building. One must presume that many of those who entered the Capitol during this period were unaware of the earlier clashes with police and assumed—because police were waving demonstrators along and, in some cases, even escorting them—that they were allowed to be there.

The video released by McCarthy included footage of Jacob Chansley, the “QAnon Shaman” who became the face of the “insurrection” in the media and who was sentenced, in the fall of 2021, to 41 months in federal prison. As many as nine police officers calmly escorted Chansley around the Capitol complex, at several points even checking for unlocked doors for him. They did not try to hinder, let alone apprehend him. It also included footage showing Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick, who died on January 7, 2021, walking around and apparently healthy on January 6. A month after his death, the Washington, D.C. medical examiner issued a report concluding that Sicknick died of natural causes. To this day, Democrats and the corporate press cite Sicknick’s death as evidence of their narrative, claiming he died due to blunt force trauma to the head with a fire extinguisher. The security footage withheld by the Select Committee clearly indicates that this never happened.

The video also raised questions about who was responsible for failing to provide adequate police protection for the Capitol. That such a relatively small group of rioters managed to breach the Capitol is an indictment of those responsible for providing for its security—namely, Speaker Pelosi and Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser.

Barred from participating in the Select Committee, House Republicans conducted their own probe and released a 140-page report in December 2022. It blamed “leadership and law enforcement failures” for making the Capitol vulnerable and accused former House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving of being “compromised by politics,” coordinating with Pelosi and her staff while leaving Republican lawmakers out of security discussions and planning. The report also claimed that Democratic leaders were concerned about the “optics” of deploying the National Guard in response to the riot in the aftermath of the Black Lives Matter riots during the summer of 2020.

Perhaps most puzzling of all was the Capitol Police Board’s failure to request National Guard assistance prior to January 6, which, according to a separate bipartisan Senate report, meant that “the District of Columbia National Guard was not activated, staged, and prepared to quickly respond to an attack on the Capitol.” This failure stands out in part because Trump himself, in the days leading up to January 6, was adamant that 10,000 National Guard troops be deployed ahead of that day—a fact Cheney concealed by hiding an interview transcript produced by the Select Committee. Trump’s request for troops was not only ignored by Pelosi and Bowser, it was also met with resistance at the Pentagon, which delayed the deployment of the National Guard and then covered it up.

The House Republican report also found that police officers were “under-trained and ill-equipped to protect the Capitol complex. One officer testified to investigators that he went into the fight . . . with nothing but his USCP-issued baseball cap. Even if every USCP officer had been at work that day, their numbers would still have been insufficient to hold off the rioters due to a lack of training and equipment.”

A December 2024 report from the Justice Department’s Office of the Inspector General (OIG) is also damning on this point. The FBI, which was responsible for canvassing the Capitol grounds for potential security threats or breaches ahead of a major demonstration like the one planned for January 6, failed to do so and gave no reason why. Then-FBI Associate Deputy Director Paul Abbate described the lack of canvassing as a “basic step that was missed” and told the OIG he would have expected a canvassing to have been conducted beforehand through what the FBI calls the issuance of an “intelligence collection product.” Such a product was issued for the January 20 inauguration, but not for January 6.

The OIG report also revealed for the first time that the FBI had 26 confidential human sources, or informants, in the crowd that day. Most of them went on their own initiative, according to the report, and three went into the U.S. Capitol—a crime for which many otherwise law-abiding January 6 defendants were sentenced to lengthy prison terms. Incredibly, one of the FBI informants who entered the Capitol was reimbursed by the FBI for his travel expenses to and from Washington. The idea that the FBI had informants at the Capitol that day was previously denounced as a conspiracy theory.

The disclosure about the 26 informants invites further questions about what other elements of federal law enforcement were present that day and what exactly they were doing. The video released by McCarthy shows that Ray Epps, a man who is suspected of being an FBI informant and who was at the heart of the events of January 6, lied to Congress about his movements. When the Select Committee had him testify in an attempt to clear his name after footage emerged of him urging the crowd to storm the Capitol, Epps told committee members that he never entered the Capitol. He testified that when he texted his nephew at 2:12 p.m. that day, writing that he had “orchestrated the protests at the Capitol,” he was already back at his hotel room. But surveillance footage shows this is not true. Epps remained at the Capitol for half an hour after he sent that text. Members of the committee knew this but never followed up.

The mystery surrounding Epps is in some ways representative of everything we still don’t know about January 6. And to be clear, the reason we do not know is that efforts to get to the truth have been actively thwarted. Until that changes—until we know all the basic facts about that day—Americans will have no reason to be confident that justice has been served.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/45-47-hike-donald-trump-220310320.html

Hard to believe no sitting president has been to the Superbowl

No Corona, No Lime, No Guacamole, No Beef Tacos, No Chicken Wings...

YOU LIBTARDS SURE KNOW HOW TO PARTY!

LMBFWCAO

Trump will be interviewed before the game. Wow. This is his address to the world.

What exactly he will say in the interview will be anticipated and talked about, when he says it it will be talked about, and later when he's done it will be talked about
Trump just made fun of the fact the US may take Gaza while Netanyahu says he wants to redraw the map of the Middle East.
In a related unrelated item, John Kennedy Toole's 1981 canonical piqaresque Pulitzer Prize winning novel set in New Orleans, A Confedary of Dunces, is once again climbing the best seller list

Then at half time Kendrick Lamar which will be a good time to take a break.

What happens after the game ...will Trump be on the podium somehow sharing the win?

And Tony. That rant against tarrifs of Mexican on imports?

Just wait until it costs you 25% more to listen to Michael Buble.

DOGE!

Tony
you are not so different from the Libtards that you condemn.
They lack critical thought because their perception is inescapably anchored down by the Karl-Marx gene.
They're going to figure out something to tell themselves to self confirm that way of thinking as correct. Reality is not an obstacle.
You, on the other hand, lack critical thought because you are anchored down by the banjo-boy-deliverance-gene, which is another genetic syndrome based on being unable to let go of a diffuse spray of disjointed beliefs.

Different jerseys. Same basic human material. Point em at a screen and tell em who to hate, and all good to go. Brave Old World.

xoxo

banjo-boy-deliverance-gene. man that's funny

Read the Bible, Watch FOX news, and REPENT!

Don't bother with your guitar, and enjoy your "tofu" Superbowl party

It is you who needs to read the bible Tony. And I feel certain that most truly observant Christians would agree with that.
Here are a few things to think about. You won't, but you should. You make a poor ambassador for Christianity.


James 1:26: "Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless."

Ephesians 4:29: "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen."

Proverbs 16:28: "A perverse person stirs up conflict, and a gossip separates close friends." Gossip can break down relationships and create animosity.

John 8:7: "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

Matthew (7:12): "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."




Either this is "the truth" proclaimed by the creator of the entire universe, seen and unseen...or its not. You tell me?

Says the liberal agnostic...


The Bible is not a "religion"...


All who deny God are liars... Liars are perfect examples of who not to be.


Truth is self evident and my integrity is not subject to agnostic sophistry...


How long have you been a prostitute?


Unless you're a soulless agnostic...


Way to go, MartyDom...
You turned another thread into a meaningless theological argument.

Wouldn't you be happier in a cult?

Tony

Your integrity is a disjointed joke. It is subject to anyone's measure and will turn up a joke every time.

So you, Tony, are overruling the interpretation of James 1:26....the "written word." That is another fascination.

So you, Tony, have condemned me as someone lacking a soul? My response is John 8:7

btw, I am a conservative agnostic. The thing about clarity and a critical mind is that you search for truth and let the truth evidence itself. You dont impose an interpretation on it. So, people such as me dont fit neatly into cliche and dismissive labels. And no, I would be very unhappy in a cult. Membership in a cult would require giving up the freedom to search for truth...and accepting a dogma. That would be a prison without bars.

Do you play the banjo? Have you ever had an acting role?

If you two don't knock it off I will turn this website around RIGHT NOW and we can ALL just go back home!!


Peace,

Dave

David,
I dont come around much.
I lurked and saw that Tony was handing out political insults again, so I thought I'd drop in and join the fun. For the helluvit.
Not gonna be an ongoing thing, but I am on a roll here for possibly an hour or so more if further molested.


Martin

Summary; YOU STAND FOR NOTHING.

That's your modus operandi... Your false sense of intellectual superiority...
The best you can ever do is start and perpetuate an argument by simply assuming a neutral position, then accusing all sides of being at fault.

You're no benevolent overseer, MartyDom...
You're a sanctimonious prick,
A victim of your own conceit,
You're boring.

Thanks for evidence that supports what I have stated here Tony.
That is the information-less stream of insults and nothingness that is typical of you.

As for me, I dont have a false sense of intellectual superiority. My intelligence is or is not, whatever, it is or is not.
What you are describing in this diatribe is how you feel about it. Nothing more.
I'm not sanctimonious. Look that up. It describes you.

per Merriam Webster: "hypocritically pious or devout"

And, And...I did not condemn you with baseless knuckle-dragger insults.
And your accusation of sophistry?
I held a mirror taken from what you say is "the word of God" up against your own behavior and let that measure you. The result is sad and your hypocrisy and obliviousness is a fascination.

xoxo

Yawn...

I second that yawn and propose the meeting be closed.

Yeah'... "Closed"... Full Circle...

Adjourned is the word that I should have used.
I hope that our exchange has given you the benefit of seeing some discrepancy between your own behavior and the precepts and dogma that you promote.
Church attendance has been falling for a while in the West.
It's primary enemies are science and hypocrisy within its membership. The unheard screams of diddled children for 2 millennia is at the top of that list.
Walk the walk Tony. The talk without the walk will cause people to dismiss and walk away.

xoxo

I'm going to try this one last time...

Marty, the Bible is not a religion.

You have obviously mistaken me for someone whose faith is based upon denominational loyalty to a building and "religious" organization.

The book of Revelation opens with Christ's judgment upon the churches...

Ok, I read that.

Tony, I did not contrast your behavior with a church structure, or a denomination, or a religious umbrella organization such as Southern Baptists.
I contrasted your behavior and insults with specific passages in the bible. So if these passages are not fraudulent and are, in fact, the word of God, then your behavior and insults and judgements do not comply with them.

Our little meeting here has not been about religion. It has been about your insults and hypocrisy (vis-a-vis) the religious views and "word of God" that you are always touting.

And Christ may have denounced the Jewish hierarchies and money changers, but it isn't 2000 years ago and you are Tony, not Christ.

Somehow the job has fallen on me to give you greater clarity, in order that, you can become a better Christian. Please try to help out with that.

You need "help", MartyDom?
Fine...
I don't give a damn how a pretentious agnostic believes Christians should behave. If I lack appropriate concern for offending you with my lifestyle, go fuk'yerself.
I'm obviously not that kind of Christian, dumbas$.

Does that help?

Tony,
I'm trying to help you, but like all angry-empty headed teenagers, when your reasoning quickly hits a dead end, you start crapping in your hand like a chimp at the zoo and tossing turds.

And even though you have been presented passages in the bible that make your shortcomings and hypocriscies vividly clear, you are so warped, you proclaim broken beligerent sh+t to be a your Christian badge of honor. But you say that you are a different kind of Christian. A type of Christian forever to be known as "BANJO-BOY" all grow'd up.

xoxo

That's gotta wrap me up here. The dead end has been hit and now it is circling back on itself.
Crap in your hand one more time and toss it.
Call it done.

Politics is very enjoyable as a topic and very healthy for a songwriter site. Is it not?

Everyone else manages perfectly fine here, MartyDom... In fact, the site is amazingly tranquil without you.

Trying to help me?
I would say thank you for your concern... but, that would just be lowering myself to your level.

That is the only cogent point that you have made in all of this. I have noticed that myself and have concluded that I am not a fit here.
Today I was lurking and your political thread drew me in. Tranquil? Not sure that works, but more tranquil...yep, no argument.


Look at your posts Tony. You sink into much deeper sh+t than I do, but the oblivion and denial is no surprise.
I was told to go away for arguing that it should stop.

I still firmly believe that, if you and Dom aren't the same person, the two of you are a team from another site... only here to chase folks away.

Well, if that is something that you choose to believe...go with that and enjoy.

I assume Trump will talk about all the things he's been talking about these past days: Taking over Gaza, the Panama Canal, Greenland. He might even mention a new region he's going to take over. I'm sure he'll say how well things are going since he's become President: gas prices way down, groceries prices down, cheaper eggs, how well his tariffs are working, the millions and millions of migrants that have already been deported. I don't think he'll say much about the game. He probably doesn't even know who's playing. He's probably glad Swift isn't doing the half time show. Only he knows what he'll talk about.

Diet Coke ad!

Maybe Macaulay Culkin and him will re-invent the Home Alone 2 scene.

Culkin: " Do you know where I can find a bathroom?"

Trump: "There's a bathroom right over there. A good bathroom. Not the best. No. But.. I mean, there's always room for improvement, right? But I have the greatest bathroom ever built. It's a masterpiece, really. Wonderful designers. Melania chose the sink and tiles. It's in my tower. Have you seen my tower? Awesome designers. Great bathroom. Greatest ever."


Peace,

Dave

I guess it was a pipe dream thinking you could mention trump attending Superbowl, without this.

The funny thing with Tony is if you ask him how he knows what he knows, he won't know.

The Bible is not a religion.....

Well, it may not be Catholic or Baptist or Methodist but it is the basis for the biggest religion in the world, Christianity .

Tony, whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers as you do unto me.

Your attacks of people won't save you

Yeah', you're obviously smokin' "something" in that pipe...


You keep looking for answers in the wrong place, DomDom! You're not going to find the Spirit on Google...


So, if you're half as smart as you think you are, why do you keep asking "ME"?


That's actually an excellent quote, Dom.
Be careful what you ask for... The very first thing the Bible will do is condemn you.