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58% of Americans prefer universal healthcare lisa

http://www.gallup.com/poll/191504/majority-support-idea-fed-funded-healthcare-system.aspx

Btw not too many Canadians cross into US for health care. Im sure more americans cross into canada to purchase prescription drugs though since epi pens are 100$ here and 600$ in your country

Aaron,

Once Americans understand what universal healthcare really means, they don't like it, according to a poll dissected in a Feb. 2016 article in The Atlantic.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...-no-idea-what-single-payer-means/471045/

For the Canadians who do like the US healthcare system better, I'm glad we can oblige.

And the epi pens ... you can thank America for that lifesaving drug and most others. Unfortunately, the US government meddled in the free market and the epi pen manufacturer ended up with a monopoly. That is a shame.

Anyway, I'm glad that Canadians lives can be saved by the epi pen. But please, no need to say "thanks" -- I wouldn't hear of it!

Lisa

Hey wasn't insulin founded by Canadians?
I wonder how many Americans would be dead right now if it were not for Canadians. Not that I would take credit for something I had nothing to do with right Lisa? Give it a rest Lisa. The truth is my government regulates the prices of drugs and yours does not. In the end your country is a deep abyss of uncontrolled greeed.

Communism is what killed USSR. Extreme Capitalism is what kills USA.

Aaron,

You call us greedy, but you still want our drugs.

And again, I'm glad our drugs are being used to help Canadians improve their health and live better, greedy-free lives.

Also, thank you for insulin ... and you're welcome for all the other drugs we invented and provide.

Lisa

You have major problems, Aaron.

If you looked into who patented the drugs im sure you will see they weren't just created by yanks. I often hear that Americans invented the atomic bomb but it was collabo of many countries that created it.

are you suggesting that Americans only work on pharmaceuticals to make billions of dollars and if you had universal health care you wouldn't bother in creating meds?
Talk about extreme greed.

Aaron,

There would be far less incentive to create medications if the US had universal healthcare. Case in point: Canada. Why isn't your country creating drugs?

Also, you go ahead and track down the origins of exactly how the US has created each drug and get back to me.

Lisa

Lisa, Thanks for admitting it's extreme greed that causes pharmaceutical companies to charge Americans 5x it's real value. You jus nailed the death blow to the "free market."

Aaron,

You know me and my powers ... I can make or break the free market!

I found this interesting article from the Huffington Post. Turns out, Canadians pay higher prices for most goods than US citizens do, because of government interference!
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/mark-milke/canada-us-prices_b_6357438.html

Here's an excerpt from the article:

"Or consider another issue: dairy and poultry products. Former Liberal MP Martha Hall Findlay estimated in a research study that Canadian consumers pay one-and-a-half to three times more for milk, cheese and other dairy and poultry products than they should, because of federal "supply management" policies.

Supply management, which Americans do not face, restricts the supply of milk, cheese, eggs, chickens and the like, by limiting domestic production. Imports of these products are also discouraged with tariffs that run as high as 202 per cent for skim milk and 298 per cent on butter. Findlay estimated that the average Canadian family pays $200 more than they should for foodstuff on an annual basis."

Lisa

Lisa, most time I agree with you, but Canada does produce drugs but not on a scale of the US. When Canada was gearing up to produce drugs, the US drug companies offered Canada drugs so cheaply(to keep us out of competition with them) that it did not make sense to make our own. That is the main reason we get drugs made in the US cheaper than US citizens do.

As for food, the US are so blessed to be able to produce food almost the whole year around because of their weather. It cost a lot more to produce food in Canada, therefore the higher price. If we gave up trying to feed ourselves because we could not compete with the US, we'd be at your mercy if food ever became in scares supply because of drought or what ever reason. We can not grow oranges and never will, but we can grow other fruit and vegetables but because of living in a Northern climate, we can only get one crop a year, some of your farmers get two or three crops a year, depending on the crop. Therefore machinery cost are spread over two or three crops and compared to one in Canada. We can feed ourselves on most food items but at a higher cost, so our governments were wise to protect the Canadian farmers even if it cost Canadians more money. What is $200.00 extra a year compared to going hungry in a drought year.

I heard on a TV program that China is buying up as much US farmland as they can, so the food produced on those farms will be shipped to China when needed. We can live without a lot of luxury items, but water and food we can not live without, therefore we should produce and protect our own supplies from foreign ownership as much as possible. I predict food prices will rise dramatically over the next few years, mainly because of drought and the dying bee population. We in the West pay a small percentage of our income on food as compared to some parts of the world. We will see that percentage increase shortly. We may have to cut back on our luxury items to pay for the essentials of life.
I won't get into comparing health systems, ours may not be perfect but health should not be a for profit for shareholders business. Rich should not get preference over poor people just because they are rich. God loves the poor probably more than the rich. Most rich people got rich on the backs of the poor. Do you know there are more millionaires in Chine than in all North America. That is a Communist country where the state is suppose to control everything and everyone is equal, so how does that happen? Those in power, regardless of political stripes or forms of governments, will take care of themselves and their friends, the poor will be exploited. The bible says man's heart is evil. When evil men get in a position of power, they exploit the poor for their own gains. Democracy is suppose to be the best form of government, but it has so many flaws in it that it is not much better than Communism, the only thing is we have a right to vote our governments in or out of power every four years. So which form of evil do we vote for. They are all alike underneath, controlled by big business behind the scenes.

There is coming a day when justice will be served and that day is not far away. Look up, your redemption draws nigh.

Everett,

I enjoyed your thoughtful post.

I agree that Canada has its reasons for having its systems in place, just like the US has its reasons for having its systems in place. The narrative Aaron often presents here is that US citizens are greedy, while Canadians are givers. Almost no respect or appreciation for the US is forthcoming.

Regarding drugs ... if Canada did not have a central health system that negotiated drug prices, then drug manufacturers could probably not keep them out of the market. Everything has an upside and a downside associated with it.

Regarding US healthcare ... it is a myth that the US has ignored its poor. For decades, we've had a program called Medicaid which covers healthcare costs for people living in poverty. US citizens also spend their lives paying into a program called Medicare, which covers healthcare for people over age 65. And, the majority of our hospitals are non-profit entities. Plus, we have a plethora of non-profit health clinics which serve the poor, and many private charities which serve the poor.

Regarding blessings ... yes, the US is blessed with its crops, just as Canada is blessed with its vast natural resources, such as lumber.

Every country should do what's in the best interests of its citizens. If a country doesn't take care of its own citizens first, then it can't effectively help others. Canada understands this concept very well, from what I can see. It's an admirable trait that Canada possesses. Clear-thinking people in the US want the same concept applied in the US.

Lisa

The major thing about the US that gives it it's strength is also what gives it it's greatest weakness. Survival of the fittest in business leaves no room for those less strong. Like Walmart, when they move into an area, most small businesses die because they do not have the buying power that Walmart has, therefore they can not compete. Small farms are squeezed out by large farms who have mass production with lower cost to pass on to the consumers, usually subsidized by governments. The weakness will show itself when there are no small producers, growers, manufactures, etc left. When these large companies control the market and there is no serious competition left, they can raise their prices and recoup any lost profits that it took to drive small producers out of business, and we will have no choice but pay what ever they ask. Just yesterday a large Canadian company bought out a US company for 37 billion dollars, they now control most all the pipelines in Canada and the US. This is happening on an almost weekly basis in every aspect of society. When too much control gets into too few hands, it is not healthy for the consumer. Competition is what keeps prices fair, no competition gives business an opening to charge what they want.

It looks like we have a Doctor in BC that is changeling our health care system in court. He thinks we should have a private health care system like the US. He claims it will better serve patients who will have a choice to get instant service by paying for it and not having to wait like the average citizen to get the same service. But he is more concerned with his welfare, not the welfare of the average citizen. Only the rich or those that can afford to buy insurance will be able to afford his service. And of course a private system will be able to lure the best of Doctors away from the public system, leaving the public system short of the best Doctors. Much like your US system. The poor always suffer when greedy people or companies get control. We have Doctors in Canada that make over a million dollars a year in our system, but that is not enough to satisfy some Doctors, many which head for the US to practice even now, because there they can make what the market will bear.

I like the free market system when it is fair, but when big money forces competition out of business, with an eye of recouping any lost profit later on down the road, I don't like that. Only the fittest with the most money survive, it forces small business to become big or go home. Many small operations only want to make a fair return on their investment and make a fair living, they can not compete because they are being under sold, usually with lower grade products and services, but most of the buying public want cheaper goods now, not looking to the future.

Police and fire protection is paid by the taxpayers, if these essential services can be paid by governments through taxes, why can't health care be paid the same way, what is more essential than your health.

Well,
On the note of businnesses being bought out by someone they can just as well be sold if they are not as profitable. It happens a lot of the time. You may read where such and such business has been sold to so and so. About the only thing that changes is who now controls the company. Also here sometimes the Justice Dept. does not allow a company to be sold, merged or whatever. It just happened to Aetna who was trying to merge with Humana I think. Not sure if it is good or bad but it happens.

Everett,

You make a lot of sweeping pronouncements about the US medical system, but with all due respect, you really don't know what you're talking about.

I worked at the 3rd largest hospital in the country for 16 years, and your view of the system here is not based on facts. The “poor” here receive the exact same level of care as the “rich”. When they wheel you into the ER at 4 AM with a gunshot wound, the docs and nurses don't ask for your Dun & Bradstreet report. They just stop the bleeding.

NO ONE is refused medical care in the US (even if they cannot pay).


“We have Doctors in Canada that make over a million dollars a year in our system, but that is not enough to satisfy some Doctors, many which head for the US to practice even now, because there they can make what the market will bear.”


How much is 'enough' for a physician to make, in your estimation, Everett? 50K? 250K? 750K?

Is this just an arbitrary number, or are you qualified to make a determination based on the physician's knowledge, experience, etc? Should a neurosurgeon make the same salary as a radiologist?


“Survival of the fittest in business leaves no room for those less strong.”


So we should foster mediocrity in the service of equality of outcome? Then we would just be Canada!


Regards,

Bob

Hey Everett,

I agree that it can be problematic for a country to have public and private healthcare. The US has that with its Medicare and Medicaid programs.

With Medicare and Medicaid, our government sets the price they will pay to doctors and hospitals. Unfortunately, Medicare and Medicaid usually pay BELOW cost. Meaning ... if a surgery costs the hospital (before profit) $7,000, then Medicare pays maybe $6,000.

To simply break even, leaving profit aside, our healthcare providers must charge the private sector more. This is one big reason why private health insurance prices go up … to subsidize Medicare and Medicaid. In that sense, we do have a public system, with taxpayers footing the bill for the poor and elderly.

When a country has public healthcare, like you do, you REALLY need to keep an eye on the government, to make sure you’re being informed of all your options, regardless of whether the government will foot the bill.

For instance, when I was growing up, I got my healthcare through an HMO. An HMO is run by a private insurance company, but it operates like Canada's healthcare system. All of your needs are monitored by the HMO, and they hire their own doctors, approve the drugs that can be prescribed, etc. They are responsible for their population, and there are many good things that happen in an HMO. Thus, I can understand why Canadians like their system.

After I was on my own, my job offered me the option of using an HMO, or going with a traditional private healthcare insurance. I loved my HMO, so I chose to stick with it.

In my 30s, I switched jobs and went to a traditional private health insurance. On one of my first visits with a non-HMO doctor, he recommended that I get surgery to fix an issue I was born with that I didn't even know could be fixed. My doctor was so surprised that no other doctor had ever informed me of the option. Plus, he worried about a cancer risk if I didn’t get it fixed.

From what I can figure out ... the HMOs never offered me the surgery, because they were simply saving money. Perhaps the HMO deemed it an unnecessary surgery.

I really did NOT mind that my HMO didn’t want to pay for it.
I really DID mind that they didn’t tell me of my options.

Also, food and shelter are just as essential as health.
You might be able to get along for years with a bad heart, but you won't last long without food or shelter.

At what point does the government step in and take care of us, and at what point does it not?
Each society must decide what makes sense for them.

Lisa

P.S. I think that comparing public healthcare with police and fire is like comparing apples and oranges.

So Ray Strode had to admit he is not in fact an honorably discharged military veteran after all

Tom

You're not telling the truth. I get American tv channels. I get Detroit and there's always stories of people getting shot, receiving care and then getting a 5000 dollar medical bill after. This one guy said he wished he had died because the medical bill was so massive and he was poor.

Aw, Humm,
So do you want me to give you a blood test Yeager. Now I'm not sure but I think I have an Honorable Discharge somewhere. It is buried among all my Hit Songs. And although I have em fooled I do get a little dinky check, actually transmitted by either by Internet or Pack Mule, I can never remember which directly to my "HUGE" Bank Account. Just Retired, not Actually a Vet who actually served in a hostile Action. School's still open, what else do you want to know? And what did you do in the war? Cramer is advising you to stash your cash.are you stashin' your cash Yeager?

Wanna know why US has the most judge tv shows in the world? Because nobody is looking after your medical bills. You have to sue the person who caused you harm or you gotta pay it yourself.

Hospital billing departments don’t know who can or can’t pay, Aaron.
When you walk in, hospitals don't ask, "can you afford this?"
It would be rather discriminatory for hospital staff to look at certain people and not bill them, because of the way they look.

The medical charges get sent to the hospital billing department, and that department bills the patient's insurance company for its part, and the patient for his or her part (usually a deductible). Medicaid can have a deductible, depending on your income level, which state you live in, etc.

Under Obamacare, deductibles have gone through the roof. The common joke for Obamacare is, “Yes, I’ve gained health insurance, but I’ve lost heath care.” Lots of people now have health insurance plans with a $5000 deductible. Meaning ... they have to pay the first $5,000 of healthcare costs (the deductible) and then insurance kicks in.

Also, it's very common for a hospital to bill someone, and when they learn the person can't pay, the hospital forgives the debt and swallows the cost. The last figure I heard was that our non-profit hospitals forgive $57 billion per year.

Don't confuse him with the facts. He saw it on TV!

So why should they be billed anyway? Why not let tax payers pick up the bill. What do you get out of your taxes anyway? Your infrastructure is a mess. Your police look and act more like storm troopers

So our government has let our infrastructure go to pot and therefore you suggest we hand over our health to them?!

Well Aaron,
You don't understand the world much do you. Hand payment for health care to the government? Hell that's what we are doing now even tho no one will admit it.
Since nobody is paying the freight we now have a nearly 20 Trillion Dollar Federal Debt.
That's how Obama Care was designed to do. Pay a small Premium and a Deductable. The large Health Companies were to write the Policies and cover the bills, except the Deductables. Nobody could afford it. So they are bailing out.

I believe the state governments let your infrastructure go to "pot". I guess it's more important to try and close planned parenthood clinics then keeping up with what's vital to society.

I understand the world that I live in. The US while it sits on our southern border might as well be on the other side of the world. But I guess every country has its North Korea then eh?

I'll admit that I don't understand US politics and your health care system, most of what I know comes through the media and what people have experienced themselves and related to me. We do have some private care in things like dental and physical therapy, which we can pay for as we use it, or carry insurance to cover the same. Doctor visits and hospital stays and services are covered by taxpayers. What I don't understand is how the riches and most powerful country in the world can not treat their citizens as well or better than say,

Cuba. Is it because everything must be profit oriented? I don't believe health care should be profit oriented, making profit on people's misery. Of course the health insurance is a spinoff industry that employs many people and makes millions for shareholders which pay tax on earnings. Then there are the lawyers that are involved one way or the other, not to mention Doctors and hospitals that make millions and pay tax, hummm, maybe your governments have a good thing going there. Not responsible for health care cost but make billions off people and companies that are responsible for health care cost.

Maybe I should not be concerned what happens in the US, but what happens in the US has a way of spilling over into Canada, like this Doctor trying to feather his own nest by changeling our system that most people in Canada favour over the US system. If he wins, watch out for the insurance companies moving in too. Poor and even middle class people that can't afford insurance will be rated as second class citizens in our own country. The Doctors and specialist that figure they are a step above the average, will be setting up private practices that are out of reach of all but the rich and powerful, or the well insured.

I know the US pride themselves as being the best and having the best in most everything, and sometimes that is true, but not always, especially when taking care of the most vulnerable amongst you. Survival of the fittest works in the animal world. but should not be the criteria of the human world. Taking care of people that can't take care of themselves, should be a human value we should aim for.

Everett,

Even when provided with FACTS, you still insist on your uninformed opinions.

That's unfortunate.


"Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest."


"Cuba?"


Care to see some real "hospital" pictures from the Socialist Paradise of Cuba, Everett? They are not for the faint of heart, and they are not on the Malecón.




Regards,

Bob

Aaron,

Our states and the federal government are responsible for different aspects of infrastructure, just like they would be for healthcare, if we had a government-run public system.

Lisa

Hi Everett,

Why doesn’t Canada pay for everyone’s food?
With your reasoning ... it means that Canada doesn't care about its people.
Cuba has a food rationing system, with ration tickets distributed from the government.
That means that Cuba really cares -- and that their food is superior?

The US has a vibrant, dynamic healthcare system. It’s a partnership between the private sector, charitable organizations, hospitals, federal government, state government, local governments, etc. Each component is as vital as the next. Whereas a public healthcare system can be visualized as more vertical in nature, the US healthcare system can be visualized as more lateral in nature.

If you had a heart attack, and had to choose, would you rather be flown to the US or Cuba for your care? (We’ll assume everyone speaks English for you.) Based upon what you're saying, I assume you would choose Cuba, because a public system is somehow inherently better?

You seem to make the assumption that a public healthcare system is better than a private one or, as the US has, a public/private one. There are so many complexities that go into healthcare, and each country is so individualized, that there is no "one size fits all" solution.

I think much of the world doesn’t understand the US system, because of our very large not-for-profit component. We are the only country in the world with non-profit hospitals that offer the majority of hospital care. In my state, there is only one for-profit hospital.

It’s interesting … I read once about an international accounting board which took on the task of standardizing healthcare accounting practices around the world. The U.S. caused some real head scratching, as they had to account for the huge not-for-profit component that exists only in the U.S.

Lisa

There is really no point in debating with Lisa. Her hero is Ann Coulter.

Uh, Aaron,
So many things have been let go because there is no Leader to lead. Like it or not our current Fearless Leader spent about 75 percent of his time Campaigning instead of taking care of business. He ran for the Office but didn't want to do the job. A President has to set the agenda in the Nation no one else can do it.

Am I and others confusing you with too many facts Aaron? Things are not as easy as some make them out to be. Sure, I would like to send a Nickle up to the Government and get Ten Dollars back. But Alas, that only happens in the movies!

Things are not as easy as some make them out to be? But your hero Trump says he will fix everything all by himself..

There have been cases where Canadians with money have gone to US and Cuba to get things done because they were not willing to wait their turn in Canada. They got good treatment in both countries but the Cuban treatment was a lot cheaper.

We have relatives living in the US most of their lives, they hold duel citizenship. They told me this story about a US dentist they knew that was up in BC Canada on a convention when he took a heart attack. He ended up in a Canadian hospital but insisted on being sent back to the US because he had lots of insurance and he was going to get the best of care in the US. He was told he would never survive the trip so he had open heart surgery in Canada. He told our relatives that he got the best of care in Canada, couldn't have asked for more, and his insurance company were tickled pink because the hospital bill was less than half of what they would have to pay in the US. He said he had heard and believed the horror stories about our backward system, that is why he wanted to go back home.

Lisa don't believe everything you hear about our backward system. No system is perfect. We are a democracy, with all of its flaws, our population is about 10% of the US, so maybe we don't have the problems that comes with ten times the population, but we do work and buy our own food and clothes which cost more up here because we are in a Northern climate. We are not communist or socialist, we just have a happy blend of both systems that works fine for 95% of the people 95% of the time. I think we appreciate our neighbours to the South more than our Southern neighbours appreciate us. We appreciate your warm Southern winds in summer but you hate our Northern winds in winter.LOL I'm trying to make light of this disagreement where we both think our system is best. Most Canadians like our system, I suppose most Americans like your system, so lets leave it at that.

It looks like a lot of Canadians will not be allowed in the US any more. If they ever smoked pot in their lifetime and admit to it while crossing the border, they get refused entry for the rest of their lives. Canada is about to legalize Marijuana, much like several States have, but this is a Federal law on your books and the border guards are enforcing it. Putting up walls is not the answer. I don't smoke, period, so it doesn't bother me, but many have tried it at least once in a lifetime, even our new Prime Minister tried it, so will he be barred too? LOL I doubt it.

There have been cases where Canadians with money have gone to US and Cuba to get things done because they were not willing to wait their turn in Canada. They got good treatment in both countries but the Cuban treatment was a lot cheaper.

We have relatives living in the US most of their lives, they hold duel citizenship. They told me this story about a US dentist they knew that was up in BC Canada on a convention when he took a heart attack. He ended up in a Canadian hospital but insisted on being sent back to the US because he had lots of insurance and he was going to get the best of care in the US. He was told he would never survive the trip so he had open heart surgery in Canada. He told our relatives that he got the best of care in Canada, couldn't have asked for more, and his insurance company were tickled pink because the hospital bill was less than half of what they would have to pay in the US. He said he had heard and believed the horror stories about our backward system, that is why he wanted to go back home.

Lisa don't believe everything you hear about our backward system. No system is perfect. We are a democracy, with all of its flaws, our population is about 10% of the US, so maybe we don't have the problems that comes with ten times the population, but we do work and buy our own food and clothes which cost more up here because we are in a Northern climate. We are not communist or socialist, we just have a happy blend of both systems that works fine for 95% of the people 95% of the time. I think we appreciate our neighbours to the South more than our Southern neighbours appreciate us. We appreciate your warm Southern winds in summer but you hate our Northern winds in winter.LOL I'm trying to make light of this disagreement where we both think our system is best. Most Canadians like our system, I suppose most Americans like your system, so lets leave it at that.

It looks like a lot of Canadians will not be allowed in the US any more. If they ever smoked pot in their lifetime and admit to it while crossing the border, they get refused entry for the rest of their lives. Canada is about to legalize Marijuana, much like several States have, but this is a Federal law on your books and the border guards are enforcing it. Putting up walls is not the answer. I don't smoke, period, so it doesn't bother me, but many have tried it at least once in a lifetime, even our new Prime Minister tried it, so will he be barred too? LOL I doubt it.

Eh, Aaron,
You know what they say out in the Old West, don't you? *uc* you and the Horse you rode in on. Everybody, and I mean everybody wants a Handout from Uncle Sam. Practically every country in the world get's some Foreign Aid from the U.S. And then many of them
Bad Mouth us in the United Nations because we aren't giving enough!
If Hillary gets elected nothing will change and the U.S. Tax Payer will be footing the Bill. Sorry but it appears the American People have had enough.
The Democrats had the Congress for 40 years straight. And they had such big plans. But after 40 years things are worse. Figured it out yet?

Another shooting in a Texas High school yesterday

But naw-they dont need no stinkin gun control

The NRA will say that federal tax money should be used for medical research to develop bullet proof skin-cause that would obviously be the common sense answer......

Tom

Well,
Ah as sorry as I can be and haven't read the story but you can say this is another Liberal Idea that has bit the dust. They took Corporal Punishment out of the schools because it may hurt little Johnny's feelings. So instead of ass busting where and when it is needed we now have school children shooting each other. But it is progress eh, Yeager!

Progress would be having the gun control laws of Europe/Japan/Austrailia etc etc.

The NRA's Death Grip on the throats of their GOP Puppet Politicians has now made education in our schools a agenda that is secondary to mere survival of the school day......

But then if you cant afford a bulletproof backpack you are obviously too poor to deserve an education so get your ass back in the cotton fields-Right Ray?

Tom

The lack of beatings has resulted in the increase in shootings in schools........Not the flood of guns.....

The only way someone could be that damn stupid is through genetic engineering.


Tom

Whazzat?
Live and learn eh, Yeager. For another opinion Google TENNESSEE SATURDAY NIGHT by Red Foley. Humm. Yes with some schools like in Chicago maybe where lawlness runs rampart you probably need a bullet proof jacket. Or A lot of discipline now missing.Now I have met a lot of "Morons" that think they know how to fix the world. Maybe it was the Carthigens or maybe the Romans, or the Norsemen, or whoever. You can't please some people no matter what you do. You know the old saying, SPARE THE ROD SPOIL THE CHILD, uh you did go to school didn't you Yeager?

Trump has been under estimated for a year.
I believe HE will be our Next President ..... and will wind up being a good one...

Hey Barry-congratulations-Florida stole the record from Virginia for most killings and woundings in a single gun massacre.....Proof that GOP Politicians will not compromise public safety just for campaign money and votes......The NRA RIDES AGAIN-YEEHAW-BANG BANG-LOVE THEM THERE AR-15'S!

Tom

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Google US school shootings. They happened long before you couldn't hit kids

Ray is like TEACHERS SHOULD HIT KIDS. And the #1 reason for kids that shoot up a school is abuse and bullying.

Someone tell Ray that Rambo ain't a peace keeper.

Lisa thinks 55,000 canadians getting treated in Usa is a big enough number to embarrass Canada's healthcare system. Where Lisa is from 40 people standing in a line is a sellout

Muslim Marine Corps Recruit-from top of his high school class is hit and driven to suicide within one week of arriving at Parris Island....

Cause the Senior Drill Instructor obviously knew how to deal with terrorists trying to infiltrate the Armed Forces by posing as Patriots........


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...harges-recruit-suicide-article-1.2783599

He was put in "The Thumping Third" i.e 3rd Battalion-the one furthest away from Parris Island HQ-where all the brass is....Thats where I was-maybe same building I was in......Sounds like his platoon was on the 3rd or top deck-like mine...He couldnt take it obviously-combination of being singled out and all the usual routine abuse at P.I...

No doubt Trump will defend his "Extreme Vetting"...Cause I am sure Trump got hit,kicked,jabbed in the throat and all kinds of other stuff at military school in upstate New York....

Like I did and everybody else in my platoon back in 1971...Its really hitting the fan down there-like it always does after these kinds of things...But its never gonna be a father-son picnic down there and thats just what the deal is..

Meanwhile I guess Colonel Strode is still looking for his DD214.....Let us know when you find it Ray......Mine is in a manilla folder in my closet....I will make a copy and mail it to Brian-when you find yours that is...

Keep lookin boy-its gotta be somewhere right?

Tom

Well Gheez,
My sister's brother was in the Marines and got a Purple Heart in Vietnam. Him and his wife were visiting last month. So, in a kidding way, I asked him how many Air Force guys does it to change a light bulb? He said about 40. I was going to ask him how many Marines it takes to change a light bulb except a marine don't even know what a light bulb is! Just a joke mind you. I was in the Navy Yeager. DD214's? Have 2 or 3. Flew off a Carrier Yeager? You?