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Got me thinking bout the Stones now, how Keith is alive and Charlie gone, but wonder if this thread will take off.
My top 5
1.Satisfaction (one of if not the greatest pop songs ever, argue if you wish, that song can't be denied, too many hooks, that why I call it a pop song)
2. Ruby Tuesday (forgotten classic)
3. She's So Cold ( listen to the guitar work, from opening fluttering riff...cold.... brr, to the solos, artic zone reverb...brr, to the hiss of the cymbals... iceeeee
4. Waiting on A friend, (Sonny Rollins sax solos alone) but I love the lyrics, love the melody, love the harmonies, love the guitar sounds
Angry is pretty bad....but does sound like The Stones
She's So Cold has no redeeming qualities
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
They tapped into their 1% and went for the long ride...I'm so glad you encourage opinions...you'll get them regardless
I was playing rock and roll back in 63 and we did some Stones tunes...60 years later there have been hundreds of great R/R bands...they just weren't up near the top IMO
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Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
They tapped into their 1% and went for the long ride...I'm so glad you encourage opinions...you'll get them regardless
I was playing rock and roll back in 63 and we did some Stones tunes...60 years later there have been hundreds of great R/R bands...they just weren't up near the top IMO
You're so Not rock n roll if you don't think the stones are among the elite, if not THE one elite Rock band.
They are in the top 15 bands but those above them were better lyricists, musicians, singers...the important things in music
and since you know nothing about me and how R/R I am, lets keep this to "my opinion" about the Stones....I never said they weren't R/R I just said they weren't that good particularly when it comes to music...their long suit has been their longevity
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
They are in the top 15 bands but those above them were better lyricists, musicians, singers...the important things in music
and since you know nothing about me and how R/R I am, lets keep this to "my opinion" about the Stones....I never said they weren't R/R I just said they weren't that good particularly when it comes to music...their long suit has been their longevity
Well if you wanna say Beatles, ok, led Zeppelin, maybe , but I don't Led Zeppelin had as broad appeal, stones wrote alot of pop songs that girls could like.
You wanna say The Who, Kinks, id listen..
But I don't think there is a rock band that has infkuenced everybody after them, beyond the Beatles.
I think influence is a huge part of evaluating, cause after all it's all opinion.
I'm not saying they weren't popular...they just don't come up to the level of musicianship that many bands had....they stayed in a narrow lane their entire careers and made millions doing it....Angry could have been written in 64/65...they didn't grow as musicians because they didn't need to...there were just a lot of bands better than them
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
I'm not saying they weren't popular...they just don't come up to the level of musicianship that many bands had....they stayed in a narrow lane their entire careers and made millions doing it....Angry could have been written in 64/65...they didn't grow as musicians because they didn't need to...there were just a lot of bands better than them
Ok I think I see where your coming from, but lest we forget Rock n Roll was never meant to be about great musicianship. Yes, there are tremendous musicians in rock n roll, but it's not a pre requisite like it is in say, jazz
It's about attitude, sound, charisma, live performances , songs.
If your talking about musicianship, I agree with you. Keith, if not fir his amazing riffs, legendary riffs, would be playing in corner blues bars right now
But the fact that they had flaws and were raw, created an entirely different genre, garage rock .
I've said it before Keith Richards is not a great guitar player, but he's a great ROCK guitar player.
I think the Stones figured out over 50 years ago what they were all about and hopped on board the traditional rock train and had the ride of their lives...maybe that's why they stayed together so long....they were making so much money doing what they did, they decided...why change...LOL
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
I think the Stones figured out over 50 years ago what they were all about and hopped on board the traditional rock train and had the ride of their lives...maybe that's why they stayed together so long....they were making so much money doing what they did, they decided...why change...LOL
Could say the same for Springsteen , but if your selling out arenas and football stadiums 50 years later, I mean the beach boys ain't selling out football stadiums
In the end, the very end the stones, Bruce a few others made indelible marks in music, I would be doing the same thing.
I saw Bruce two weeks ago, he still has strangers arm to arm singing along with him..
If all the Beatles were alive, how big of a stadium would you need for only one concert? LOL
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Well, one thing about Beatles , I don't think they were the stage performers the stones were, but aside from that,
Do you realize how big of a boast the Beatles got by being on ed Sullivan, at a time where there was nothing else to watch, of course everybody watched, there was nothing else.
If the Beatles started today, there would be so much going on online, Facebook, hundreds of channels, I'm sorry but not as many people woulda saw it .
That said, I agree the Beatles would be selling out today, but they probably were lucky they stopped when they did, it would follow suit that eventually they'd make crap records, it was coming but never really did, preserving their legacy
Moonlight Mile is THE best Stones song...by a mile.
There's a difference between influencing people because what you do is easy to imitate, (The Stones), and influencing people because you're awesome. (The Beatles)
Punk and rap have been so influential because it takes virtually no talent to do what they do.
It takes a tremendous amount of talent and ability to write and record The Band's 2nd record. The Ramones? Not so much. The Sex Pistols, either. People's reverence for them has baffled me for decades. Being offensive isn't a musical virtue. (That goes for The Stones, too)
IMO there wouldn't be a stadium on earth that could hold the number of people wanting to see them...for one performance, anywhere, for a one time comeback performance, it would probably be bigger than Woodstock (500,000+).....they sold 600 million albums...twice as many as any other band....I'd spend a couple of thousand to see them because, they changed music forever...Beato just had a Youtube where he talks about how great they were...They were obscenely popular and really good musicians
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Moonlight Mile is THE best Stones song...by a mile.
There's a difference between influencing people because what you do is easy to imitate, (The Stones), and influencing people because you're awesome. (The Beatles)
Punk and rap have been so influential because it takes virtually no talent to do what they do.
It takes a tremendous amount of talent and ability to write and record The Band's 2nd record. The Ramones? Not so much. The Sex Pistols, either. People's reverence for them has baffled me for decades. Being offensive isn't a musical virtue. (That goes for The Stones, too)
Angry is laughably awful.
Well why would you imitate then ,cause you want to suck? No talent...the stones? Huh?
But your clueless thinking it takes no talent doing what the stones do
Ramones were basically taking all the rock before them, doing their own take on it, and wrote incredibly fun two minute songs.
Yeah it's so simple, I could a done it, but I didn't.
I could a wrote satisfaction too, but I didn't, nobody did except them, it's very hard to write something simple
The Stones never knocked my socks off, as one would say here in Germany. I can’t say why. I guess their songs sounded just too similar. I agree, they are big and over the years they influenced the rock music genre greatly. But, when one of their songs gets played on the radio, I tend to switch the radio station. I prefer the rock bands that showed more diversity, bands with more melodic songs, like the BEATLES, Queen, Fleetwood Mac, the Eagles, Genesis, Steve Miller Band, Journey, Tom Petty, ELO, Hall & Oates, Steely Dan, The Police, Santana, Toto, Bon Jovi, just to name a few. There are/were so many other good rock bands, I just don’t get it why so many people feel the Stones were/are the best.
Right on Bob, so it's me and Bob, verses vnorth couch and Rob b
There is little surprise that to Dylan, the Stones are “the greatest rock and roll band in the world and always will be”. The freewheelin’ troubadour has always had a soft spot for Jagger and the band, as both he and they took off on their meteoric rise around the same time, culminating in a special bond that has even seen them share a stage on occasion.
Both have enormously impacted contemporary music, and debates surrounding both have existed since the ’60s. What is interesting, though, is that although they have had a very healthy chart rivalry over the years, both juggernauts have remained complimentary of the other.
Returning to Dylan’s famous statement hailing the Stones as the best of all time, he concluded by saying that they were “the last too”. It’s a damning indictment of the music that followed, but when you break it down, few acts are as potently and devoutly rock and roll as the Stones.
Like I said above, this article confirms it....where does Townshend talk about what great musicians they were??? He spoke about their act...ing...Pete wanted to imitate their antics not their abilities
Thanks for making my point
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Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Like I said above, this article confirms it....where does Townshend talk about what great musicians they were??? He spoke about their act...ing...Pete wanted to imitate their antics not their abilities
He's a huge fan, they were riveting,
What about Ringo as a drummer? He's not Buddy rich...
It ain't about musicianship, none of these guys would be in the conversation
The Stones deserve to be in the RRHOF....what's your point?? They're an act performed for 60+ years by average musicians/songwriters....longevity has its impact
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Like I said above, this article confirms it....where does Townshend talk about what great musicians they were??? He spoke about their act...ing...Pete wanted to imitate their antics not their abilities
He's a huge fan, they were riveting,
What about Ringo as a drummer? He's not Buddy rich...
It ain't about musicianship, none of these guys would be in the conversation
Actually Ringo is considered to be a very good drummer, but there are many better than him
Once again you make my point....Pete is a huge fan of their stage presence, which is excellent, but mentions little about music ability
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Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
It ain't about musicianship, none of these guys would be in the conversation
Actually it's mostly about musicianship
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
It ain't about musicianship, none of these guys would be in the conversation
Actually it's mostly about musicianship
No, it's not. The Beatles were solid musicians, the were not great musicians, they were great writers and singers
Evidence? There are hundreds if bit thousands if Beatles tribute bands who can play every nite the Beatles ever played, can't say that about a musician like Herbie Hancock, or Buddy rich.
The only reason the Beatles, and a great reason, is their songs, and their voices, ok arrangements too
It ain't about musicianship, none of these guys would be in the conversation
Actually it's mostly about musicianship
No, it's not. The Beatles were solid musicians, the were not great musicians, they were great writers and singers
Evidence? There are hundreds if bit thousands if Beatles tribute bands who can play every nite the Beatles ever played, can't say that about a musician like Herbie Hancock, or Buddy rich.
The only reason the Beatles, and a great reason, is their songs, and their voices, ok arrangements too
Ah, yes it is about musicianship....
the Beatles became very good musicians and yes they were at the top of the class when it came to songwriting and singing, in other words, they progressed...and don't forget, they came on the scene in 64 and left in 70...6 years...the stones have been at this for 60 years and they cut a record in 2023 "Angry" that shows no indication that they are any better than they were in 65...that doesn't cut it..
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
It ain't about musicianship, none of these guys would be in the conversation
Actually it's mostly about musicianship
No, it's not. The Beatles were solid musicians, the were not great musicians, they were great writers and singers
Evidence? There are hundreds if bit thousands if Beatles tribute bands who can play every nite the Beatles ever played, can't say that about a musician like Herbie Hancock, or Buddy rich.
The only reason the Beatles, and a great reason, is their songs, and their voices, ok arrangements too
Ah, yes it is about musicianship....
the Beatles became very good musicians and yes they were at the top of the class when it came to songwriting and singing, in other words, they progressed...and don't forget, they came on the scene in 64 and left in 70...6 years...the stones have been at this for 60 years and they cut a record in 2023 "Angry" that shows no indication that they are any better than they were in 65...that doesn't cut it..
Yeah and name one artist from way back who still makes good albums.
Not the stones, not the who, not Springsteen, not Dylan, not Elton john, not Neil Young, not paul simon, so its likeoy the beetles would face the same
Nobody continues making great albums they all hit a wall
Evidence? There are hundreds if bit thousands if Beatles tribute bands who can play every nite the Beatles ever played, can't say that about a musician like Herbie Hancock, or Buddy rich.
Couch made the point earlier.....you imitate people because their awesome.....are there a lot of Stones tribute bands out there??
Hancock and Rich have probably thousands who want to be just like them....but the Beatles sit at the top of the music world post February 9,1964...nothing has passed them yet
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Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Evidence? There are hundreds if bit thousands if Beatles tribute bands who can play every nite the Beatles ever played, can't say that about a musician like Herbie Hancock, or Buddy rich.
Couch made the point earlier.....you imitate people because their awesome.....are there a lot of Stones tribute bands out there??
Hancock and Rich have probably thousands who want to be just like them....but the Beatles sit at the top of the music world post February 9,1964...nothing has passed them yet
But your mixing apples and oranges, first you say it's about musicianship, I say rock isn't necessarily about musicianship, then you find a way to negate Herbie Hancock probably the greatest pianist in the world.
I know...it's only rock n roll but I like it......
Yeah and name one artist from way back who still makes good albums.
Tony Bennett who passed away recently
Robert Plant with Alison Krauss....I think they won a Grammy
Cher been doing it for decades
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
then you find a way to negate Herbie Hancock ....no I didn't
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
LMAO I wonder what Couch would say about this being great
You asked a question, I gave you an answer...what's your point?
That might be what Couch would say but I'll let him speak for himself
It only took me about 3 seconds to come up with those names,,,all of whom made it very big in music
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
LMAO I wonder what Couch would say about this being great
You asked a question, I gave you an answer...what's your point?
That might be what Couch would say but I'll let him speak for himself
It only took me about 3 seconds to come up with those names,,,all of whom made it very big in music
But your going by what you like, nothing else.
Paul McCartney, part of the Beatles, has not had anything better than a stones record probably since the 80' and even then, it wasn't Beatles or wings for that matter.
Yeah and name one artist from way back who still makes good albums.
Not the stones, not the who, not Springsteen, not Dylan, not Elton john, not Neil Young, not paul simon, so its likeoy the beetles would face the same
Nobody continues making great albums they all hit a wall
Sorry Fdem, bad example, not true. If I look at the Billboard charts I can see that the Stones success started in 1964 and lasted some 20 years, which is pretty good. After 1989 none of their singles reached the top 50.
Elton John had his first top 10 hit (Your Song) in 1970. His last 2 no. 1 hits were 51 years later in 2021. Sorry, but the Rolling Stones can't compete.
You have a big problem when you make statements like this one....first you have no idea what I like... secondly these names immediately popped into my mind not because I like them but because they were from the past..
This is the second time you insulted me...the first time I let it pass...stop thinking you know everything about everyone
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
If one succeeds with a certain formula, it is tempting to repeat that formula, ad nauseam. And that's okay, I suppose, but that's not to be confused with making art and being an artist.
The truly creative types fight "formula" and often throw a monkey wrench into how they work. They know the value of "awkward" and being a little lost, too. If you are forced down a new road you will probably see new things.
Brian Eno is a great mentor for understanding the value of a fluid, non-formulaic work process.
There's nothing wrong with the Stones being the Stones, but I don't confuse what they do with making "art" --they are making money. Art and commerce have always made strange bedfellows.
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Fate doesn't hang on a wrong or right choice Fortune depends on the tone of your voice
-The Divine Comedy (Neil Hannon) from the song "Songs of Love" from the album "Casanova" (1996)
Fdem, I don't get the point you're trying to make. Between 2010 and 2020 Elton John had 5 top 20 Billboard hits. No help. Pure Elton songs. "Cold Heart", his no. 1 hit in 2021 was without contemporary pop stars? It was a remix. When did the Stones have their last top 20 hit???? The last Stones remix was "Sympathy For The Devil" in 2003. It reached no. 97 in the charts!
You don't read what I write, do you? "Cold Heart" was a no. 1 Billboard hit for Elton John, 50 years after his first no. hit. The other artists you mentioned did have no. 1 hits. Paul had more no. 1 hits than the Stones. What's wrong with you? You're spreading fake news here.
I just did some researching. After 2005, the Stones released just one album: Blue & Lonesome in 2016. They didn't write any of the songs on that album themselves! It was an album full of cover songs!
I don't care what anyone says, if I'm closing in on 80 and I have a number 1 hit by myself or with anyone else...I am in a class with a handful of people who have ever lived on earth...but lets get back to the fact that the Stones have always been a bit of a novelty act and they have a tremendous following because of it...not because of their musicianship IMO and they have made gobs of money doing it and kudos to them for figuring that out 60+ years ago....
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
I don't care what anyone says, if I'm closing in on 80 and I have a number 1 hit by myself or with anyone else...I am in a class with a handful of people who have ever lived on earth...but lets get back to the fact that the Stones have always been a bit of a novelty act and they have a tremendous following because of it...not because of their musicianship IMO and they have made gobs of money doing it and kudos to them for figuring that out 60+ years ago....
So Brittany spears must be better than The Who cause they never had a number one hit.
Anyway, he didn't mention a hit from Macca, or Paul Simon or Neil Young, ....or Bruce, or any okd timer
point was none of those guys have made great albums, recently, and the stones shouldn't be picked on any more than then
So Brittany spears must be better than The Who cause they never had a number one hit.
point was none of those guys have made great albums, recently, and the stones shouldn't be picked on any more than then
Fdem, I didn't even mention Brittney. She actually did have a few no. 1 hits. The Who didn't. Btw, I didn't pick on The Stones. They were very successful. You were the one who stated they were more successful than Elton, Paul, etc. which is not true, at least not according to the Billboard charts.
So Brittany spears must be better than The Who cause they never had a number one hit.
Anyway, he didn't mention a hit from Macca, or Paul Simon or Neil Young, ....or Bruce, or any okd timer
point was none of those guys have made great albums, recently, and the stones shouldn't be picked on any more than then
Almost no one makes great albums as they get on in life..what is your point...
and I believe Rob B. was just saying that includes the stones....also many are dropping like flies
I have not spoken about them not making a great album for a number of years...I've only stated that they are not IMO in the top 10-15 rock bands of all time because they are not as good lyricists. musicians or singers as many of the other groups mentioned here. They do their thing and it's not about the music
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Fdem, I have the right to think differently than you. I respect that you think The Rolling Stones are the greatest. I have no problems with that. Please respect that I think differently.
If that's all Rob.B knows...think how little you know because Rob B. is a solid songwriter and producer of some pretty good stuff on this site...and I see nothing from you here that would tell me anything different
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
If that's all Rob.B knows...think how little you know because Rob B. is a solid songwriter and producer of some pretty good stuff on this site...and I see nothing from you here that would tell me anything different
Oh yeahhhhh? Let me find my song where you said such wonderful things about my writing and singing.
All I ask of people is consistency, in music, in sports, in women, in beer.
Oh yeahhhhh? Let me find my song where you said such wonderful things about my writing and singing.
I'll be waiting...in the meantime we really don't need the insults you throw around here..keep it civil and people will be civil back to you
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
If I listened to your song and critiqued it, I stand by my critique ....that still doesn't give you the right to insult Rob B.
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Well I hate when people have to summon other people cause think there's safety in numbers.
I'll take u all in, and I won't ask for support.
As Pete wrote in Dr Jimmy.
I'll take on anyone, ain't scared of a bloody nose
Am I dealing with a child here...you actually took the time to write this stuff as a response to my post...WOW!!
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
The lyric is exceptionally good. Really good vocal.Builds really nicely. Nice job
These lines are so good.
"Somewhere on this adventure the GPS got lost the prophets lied about too little profit you didnt make back cost but there's no tell in your poker face it's time for a bid"
Steve
VNORTH2
I got tired of waiting and found the song myself Piano 2
That was one of 2 songs since some time in 2020 and I have no idea how many lyrics you've posted...can't remember critiquing any....my original comment is valid
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
The lyric is exceptionally good. Really good vocal.Builds really nicely. Nice job
These lines are so good.
"Somewhere on this adventure the GPS got lost the prophets lied about too little profit you didnt make back cost but there's no tell in your poker face it's time for a bid"
Steve
VNORTH2
I got tired of waiting and found the song myself Piano 2
That was one of 2 songs since some time in 2020 and I have no idea how many lyrics you've posted...can't remember critiquing any....my original comment is valid
I don't care what you think if my work, it doesn't change anything
The lyric is exceptionally good. Really good vocal.Builds really nicely. Nice job
These lines are so good.
"Somewhere on this adventure the GPS got lost the prophets lied about too little profit you didnt make back cost but there's no tell in your poker face it's time for a bid"
Steve
VNORTH2
I got tired of waiting and found the song myself Piano 2
That was one of 2 songs since some time in 2020 and I have no idea how many lyrics you've posted...can't remember critiquing any....my original comment is valid
I don't care what you think if my work, it doesn't change anything
I write alot, I don't record alot
But just a moment ago you were so anxious to prove me wrong now you don't care what I think of your work...which is it???
Until you post more of your work on this site, it's just talk and no walk....simple concept Fd..get off your butt and show people, here, that you deserve to be listened to.
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
The lyric is exceptionally good. Really good vocal.Builds really nicely. Nice job
These lines are so good.
"Somewhere on this adventure the GPS got lost the prophets lied about too little profit you didnt make back cost but there's no tell in your poker face it's time for a bid"
Steve
VNORTH2
I got tired of waiting and found the song myself Piano 2
That was one of 2 songs since some time in 2020 and I have no idea how many lyrics you've posted...can't remember critiquing any....my original comment is valid
I don't care what you think if my work, it doesn't change anything
I write alot, I don't record alot
But just a moment ago you were so anxious to prove me wrong now you don't care what I think of your work...which is it???
Until you post more of your work on this site, it's just talk and no walk....simple concept Fd..get off your butt and show people, here, that you deserve to be listened to.
It wasn't to prove you wrong, it was to expose you fir being a fake, and a liar.
You wanna protect your little Gilligan buddies, but you don't want to listen to a word I say. You say I should look fur critiques, meanwhile your praising me in other sings
You've proven to be a fraud, so your arguments shall be deemed the same.
And your arguments about the Beatles and musicianship, I shredded u
The lyric is exceptionally good. Really good vocal.Builds really nicely. Nice job
These lines are so good.
"Somewhere on this adventure the GPS got lost the prophets lied about too little profit you didnt make back cost but there's no tell in your poker face it's time for a bid"
Steve
VNORTH2
I got tired of waiting and found the song myself Piano 2
That was one of 2 songs since some time in 2020 and I have no idea how many lyrics you've posted...can't remember critiquing any....my original comment is valid
I don't care what you think if my work, it doesn't change anything
I write alot, I don't record alot
But just a moment ago you were so anxious to prove me wrong now you don't care what I think of your work...which is it???
Until you post more of your work on this site, it's just talk and no walk....simple concept Fd..get off your butt and show people, here, that you deserve to be listened to.
It wasn't to prove you wrong, it was to expose you fir being a fake, and a liar.
You wanna protect your little Gilligan buddies, but you don't want to listen to a word I say. You say I should look fur critiques, meanwhile your praising me in other sings
You've proven to be a fraud, so your arguments shall be deemed the same.
And your arguments about the Beatles and musicianship, I shredded u
Now if you don't want to contribute here go away
If by me not remembering I critiqued one of your songs I am a liar..fill your boots...you've only posted two songs in three years Piano1 and 2. You still can't carry Rob B.'s briefcase and the issue was you insulted him and you have yet to apologize to him for you rude and tasteless comment
I didn't say you should look for critiques, you said you were going to find the one song and show me what I had posted... and Gilligan buddies is a childish statement but then it seems that's who I am dealing with here
My comments about the Beatles was bang on ....they improved over time so you can put your comment in the shredder.
Interesting the fraud comment...every time you can't respond with a lucid comment you insult ...very Trumpian in nature.
Oh I'm not going away any time soon, but you may wish I had
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
There wasn't a time where I couldn't come up with a comment, you however move the goal post.
Once I show you how some of the greatest artist of all time, say they are the best, you sneak in... a duhhh notice how they didn't say anything about musicianship.
We're talking about the greatest rock band, not about yo yo ma.
But I'm ok with Dylan Pete and myself thinking they are great.
There wasn't a time where I couldn't come up with a comment, you however move the goal post.
Once I show you how some of the greatest artist of all time, say they are the best, you sneak in... a dihh notice how they didn't say anything about musicianship.
We're talking about the greatest Rick band, not about yo yo ma.
But I'm ok with dylan Pete and myself thinking they are great.
And there's countless others
OK in order to understand what you are saying, please make changes to all spelling errors before posting... I don't know what dihh is and I assume you mean Rock band not Rick band ....you should have spell check on your computer...it works pretty well...I'm not trying to be rude but some of the posts you make have many spelling errors and quite often lack punctuation...you often hit the I instead of the O....just a sugestion
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
I'm way past this now....you need to apologize to Rob B. for your rude comment
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
I'm way past this now....you need to apologize to Rob B. for your rude comment
It was my thread, the only person who treated it with respect was Mike z
Don't cry when your [naughty word removed] attacks backfire
You have been schooled, and know something about the subject before you debate
That's funny!!
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
When you insult someone, as you did with Rob B. it is no longer your thread and you have to be called out for the insult
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
No no dimwit, you started with the nonsense you can't think if 5, and you did it to be a dickk, the only reason.
That was only my opinion and you couldn't accept it...
what is if 5..do you mean of 5
dickk is spelled with one k at the end
my opinion stacks up pretty well
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Put it this way, if mike z started this same thread, you would named 5 sings that's how lame you are
Mike has earned the respect of many people here and he and I are basically saying the same thing about the Stones...and no I would not name 5 songs
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Put it this way, if mike z started this same thread, you would named 5 sings that's how lame you are
Mike has earned the respect of many people here and he and I are basically saying the same thing about the Stones...and no I would not name 5 songs
Whether or not anybody has earned anything, it shouldn't make you lie
Let oh I see that's what you came in this way, cause you and Mike said same thing.
I beg to differ he had a good response
Your such a kiss ass, that's a person I can't stand btw
And when did I lie....anywhere on this post
Mike had a very good response....but we were saying the same thing
Like I said ....you need to insult to put your point across....definite DJT imitation
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Steve is referring to this post I made, well after I gave my "top 5":
Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
If one succeeds with a certain formula, it is tempting to repeat that formula, ad nauseam. And that's okay, I suppose, but that's not to be confused with making art and being an artist.
The truly creative types fight "formula" and often throw a monkey wrench into how they work. They know the value of "awkward" and being a little lost, too. If you are forced down a new road you will probably see new things.
Brian Eno is a great mentor for understanding the value of a fluid, non-formulaic work process.
There's nothing wrong with the Stones being the Stones, but I don't confuse what they do with making "art" --they are making money. Art and commerce have always made strange bedfellows.
Dom, a pattern with you is that you consistently sling mud FIRST because you think you've had mud slung at you. Sometimes this is true, but more often it's simply cuz you misread the situation. It almost seems as if you just can't wait to fight, like there's a lot of pent up anger or frustration or something, I don't know. I know, I know, everyone is against you and it's you against the world. If only you could step back for a second and see that the only constant in all these situations...is you...
Mike
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Fate doesn't hang on a wrong or right choice Fortune depends on the tone of your voice
-The Divine Comedy (Neil Hannon) from the song "Songs of Love" from the album "Casanova" (1996)
Nope not going away...you're stuck with me for a long time now..this is way too much fun and really easy...I'm just getting started
If your answer changes depending on who's asking, that's a lie, and pitiful
What does that mean? Who's asking what?? I asked you to point out where I lied...this is just an inane vague statement about lying
you expect couch answers... did you mean... you respect couch's answers
And yes I insult when I sense a phony. So you insult yourself all the time?
Please answer me one question. Is English your first language because you seem to struggle with it
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Steve is referring to this post I made, well after I gave my "top 5":
Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
If one succeeds with a certain formula, it is tempting to repeat that formula, ad nauseam. And that's okay, I suppose, but that's not to be confused with making art and being an artist.
The truly creative types fight "formula" and often throw a monkey wrench into how they work. They know the value of "awkward" and being a little lost, too. If you are forced down a new road you will probably see new things.
Brian Eno is a great mentor for understanding the value of a fluid, non-formulaic work process.
There's nothing wrong with the Stones being the Stones, but I don't confuse what they do with making "art" --they are making money. Art and commerce have always made strange bedfellows.
Dom, a pattern with you is that you consistently sling mud FIRST because you think you've had mud slung at you. Sometimes this is true, but more often it's simply cuz you misread the situation. It almost seems as if you just can't wait to fight, like there's a lot of pent up anger or frustration or something, I don't know. I know, I know, everyone is against you and it's you against the world. If only you could step back for a second and see that the only constant in all these situations...is you...
Mike
It's not anger, I do have a problem with authority sometimes, and worse, when the authority is only a figment of their minds.
In this case here the authority was laughable.
I don't like being talked down to, but this is not anger, I don't mind playing the mind games and war if words, it's fun sometimes and other times gives me ideas for songs
You don't like being talked down to but it's OK for you to say to Rob B.....Hi Rob b, you know Jack [naughty word removed]...I'll put in the missing word "shi*' If I'm a part of that comment then yes I'm going to respond as I have tonight...if you think you're being talked down to that is your issue....you also insulted me today and on another post a couple of days ago when I was only trying to help you in another battle you were in over posting your songs...
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
But if you ain't going, I'll go. You might want to apologize to Rob B. before you go...he deserves one
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Thanks Steve for your efforts here. Fdem will only apologize if I go away. That’s what he offered me in a previous thread. He starts calling people names when he runs out of arguments. He did the same thing in my “Shame, Shame, Shame” thread. He even posted his own drum track in that thread and asked for feedback, instead of creating his own thread. Brian Austin Whitney (one of the moderators here) confirmed that he hijacked that thread of mine and called him a “usual suspect” and used the word “troll”. That was a very well-written critique by Brian. The way Fdem reacted to Brian’s post shows that it’s a total waste of time to discuss things with him.
Fdem claims you and I teamed up on him. Total nonsense. You named a Stones song. Tony and I are the only ones here so far who didn’t. I just don’t like the band and I explained why. Fdem is a Stones fan. I’m not. For some reason he can’t accept that. He insulted me because I agreed with what you wrote. WHAT? I don’t see anything wrong with that. Apparently, he does. Brian’s advice: “Ignore the trolls. Who are the trolls? Obviously for many, a troll is someone you disagree with who won't stop disagreeing. Don't feed the trolls and they will starve, feed them and they will never go away and will attract more to join in.“
Thanks Steve for your efforts here. Fdem will only apologize if I go away. That’s what he offered me in a previous thread. He starts calling people names when he runs out of arguments. He did the same thing in my “Shame, Shame, Shame” thread. He even posted his own drum track in that thread and asked for feedback, instead of creating his own thread. Brian Austin Whitney (one of the moderators here) confirmed that he hijacked that thread of mine and called him a “usual suspect” and used the word “troll”. That was a very well-written critique by Brian. The way Fdem reacted to Brian’s post shows that it’s a total waste of time to discuss things with him.
Fdem claims you and I teamed up on him. Total nonsense. You named a Stones song. Tony and I are the only ones here so far who didn’t. I just don’t like the band and I explained why. Fdem is a Stones fan. I’m not. For some reason he can’t accept that. He insulted me because I agreed with what you wrote. WHAT? I don’t see anything wrong with that. Apparently, he does. Brian’s advice: “Ignore the trolls. Who are the trolls? Obviously for many, a troll is someone you disagree with who won't stop disagreeing. Don't feed the trolls and they will starve, feed them and they will never go away and will attract more to join in.“
All the best - Robert
Run out of arguments, I obliterated both ofyou at the same thing.
Hey, I'm not a huge stones fan either, some of their tired blues sings bore me, and others make me feel old listening.
But I don't know how you could be a musician, ir somebody who has ever played in a band ant not understand how important the stones are
I used to know metal guys who didn't like them. Cause they didn't like rock n roll
You are clearly are not a guitar player, not a rock n roller, and I knew this before this thread.
And I think you think too much of your own writing.
Listen to greatness, the stones are rock n roll, any band playing today is getting informed by.the stones whether they know it or not
Don't like rock n roll? Ok, not everybody does.
But it's not good or bad cause you like it or don't.
But I don't know how you could be a musician, ir somebody who has ever played in a band ant not understand how important the stones are And I think you think too much of your own writing. Listen to greatness, the stones are rock n roll, any band playing today is getting informed by.the stones whether they know it or not
But I don't know how you could be a musician, ir somebody who has ever played in a band ant not understand how important the stones are And I think you think too much of your own writing. Listen to greatness, the stones are rock n roll, any band playing today is getting informed by.the stones whether they know it or not
Lol, you did that by not listening to the Stones, get outta here, I don't believe it...... lmaooooo
Hey, pretty good groove, really good production, decent singer....
But that's not Rock n roll , that is alt pop,.
I dont know why you want my approval, I don't want yours, so that's not fair.
I figured out that you were not a musician a while ago, and I can tell you use what you can find, and write a melody on top if it.
That's fine, you don't have to be a musician to write songs. I write most of my songs away from any instrument , I figure it out after I'm done, it serves me well.
I'm not a great musician, used to be much better, but I would say that musicianship and songwriting are intrinsically linked.
I wouldn't be able to make sense of my ideas if I didn't have a foundation of music.
I figured out that you were not a musician a while ago, and I can tell you use what you can find, and write a melody on top if it.
What do you mean by "you use what you can find"? You have no idea how I write songs, do you? I program my instruments. I'm a programmer, not a musician. But, who cares anyway. If a song is good, I don't care how it was written or recorded.
Thanks for the feedback. I prefer not to discuss with you where you draw the lines between rock'n roll, rock, alt pop, etc.
I figured out that you were not a musician a while ago, and I can tell you use what you can find, and write a melody on top if it.
What do you mean by "you use what you can find"? You have no idea how I write songs, do you? I program my instruments. I'm a programmer, not a musician. But, who cares anyway. If a song is good, I don't care how it was written or recorded.
Thanks for the feedback. I prefer not to discuss with you where you draw the lines between rock'n roll, rock, alt pop, etc.
Your hilarious how you talk out loud, inviting people to defend you.
Look, your songs lack motifs, instrumental hooks, because if you don't play an instrument, where are you going to get a melody from? In package b?
That's how I know. The musical hooks and riffs matter, so does a specific arrangement for your sings, not a generic one. I program too I'm a great air drummer, so I'm good at doing drums.
Here maybe this will help illustrate what I mean, In short, the melody the singer sings is only a part of the song.
Your hilarious how you talk out loud, inviting people to defend you. Look, your songs lack motifs, instrumental hooks, because if you don't play an instrument, where are you going to get a melody from? In package b?
Thanks for the clip. A musician describing how HE writes songs doesn't help me much. Like I said, I'm not a musician.
I'm not inviting people to "defend" me. I'm just straight forward with you and telling you how I write my songs. I have the melodies in my head. I don't need any "packages". And honestly, I have no idea what you are talking about. I acknowledge that you think my songs are weak because I don't play an instrument. Michael Jackson didn't play an instrument either. So, if I'm in the same boat as MJ I'm fine with that.
Your hilarious how you talk out loud, inviting people to defend you. Look, your songs lack motifs, instrumental hooks, because if you don't play an instrument, where are you going to get a melody from? In package b?
Thanks for the clip. A musician describing how HE writes songs doesn't help me much. Like I said, I'm not a musician.
I'm not inviting people to "defend" me. I'm just straight forward with you and telling you how I write my songs. I have the melodies in my head. I don't need any "packages". And honestly, I have no idea what you are talking about. I acknowledge that you think my songs are weak because I don't play an instrument. Michael Jackson didn't play an instrument either. So, if I'm in the same boat as MJ I'm fine with that.
Lol, they are weak whether you play or not .
You won't listen to anything I saw uts one refute after another .
How long did it take you to listen to my songs? I wrote hundreds of them. You listened to all of them and they are all weak? No exceptions? I always take feedback seriously. I have to make an exception here.
An hour or so ago you wrote "Hey, pretty good groove, really good production, decent singer.... You did that by not listening to the Stones, get outta here, I don't believe it" about one of my songs. So, that's the feedback you give when you comment a weak song? It looks like we don't speak the same language.
Don’t bother feeding the troll anymore...he’ll go back to his home under the bridge... What is clear is that he has little if any understanding of how to create a song...and it starts with a rudimentary grasp of the English language...so he’s not a lyricist for starters..this thread alone contains statements that clearly indicate his struggle with the language, such as “I could a wrote Satisfaction” which of course, you and I know it should be “I could have written” A lyricist just wouldn’t expose himself to ridicule if he wants respect as a songwriter. When I read something like that I’m thinking “he says he’s a songwriter...hmmm” The typing errors are in abundance, throughout the thread, and he makes no effort to correct them....a good writer just doesn’t make those mistakes...but it seems he doesn’t care...which is a reflection of who he is...We all make the occasional typing error, on our posts, here, but it bothers us when we do...at least it does me. He has admitted he’s not a great musician, but lets give him a little bit of credit...he’s posted a couple of songs in the last couple of years and removed them and I don’t know how many lyrics he’s posted other than “Foray” and his 2 piano songs. He talks a lot but seems to hide behind some kind of fear or anxiety. This is a place to learn and with over 4600 posts you would think he gets it...but IMO he just doesn’t have the street cred that others have here.
How a song comes into existence, is irrelevant...what counts is the final product. I would suggest Fd go to the video forum and click on your video with Andrew Gold. The fact that Gold would even consider your song is directly related to the fact you wrote a superb song. Most of us would die to even have a sniff at one of our songs. Then to have him record it and spend the time with you and for you to be there when it’s being produced...WOW! This isn’t about Gold, it’s about you.
Fd, Rob B. Got to that point because he has worked on his craft. Maybe you’ve worked on yours, but what you have shown here does not indicate you’ve moved beyond Songwriting 101. You can make whatever disparaging comments and insults you want, but he’s been there and you haven’t.
Hey Fd...still waiting for that apology....
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Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Fd, you said you would go but you're still here...seems someone is telling lies, AND IT'S NOT ME!!!!
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
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