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What did I just read? Trump’s tariffs are unlawfully leaned on emergency powers. He did not have the power to impose those tariffs. What kind of crazy advisors does Trump have, to suggest him to do stuff that is against the law? If that court decision is confirmed, America will have to unwind all existing trade deals and pay back all the money they collected so far. That would be a financial disaster for our country. So, what happens next? Do the courts subsequently give him the power to decide such things on his own or do they force him to stick to the rules and take back the tariffs? All the tariff deals that are currently under negotiation were put on hold. What a chaos!
The Appeals Court has found them illegal, but did not order them rolled back as I understand it. That will be up to a SCOTUS ruling....expected this fall.
If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop
There is no chaos. Trump is an American president with a plausible agenda regarding tariffs. Per my understanding, it has piled up 4 tril since begun. His adversaries want to find something wrong with everything that he does, particularly if it is going to deprive them of some benefit or advantage.
He makes an assumption, looks for a legal basis to underpin it and then applies it, knowing that it will get tested. Nothing new about this in American history. The DC appeals court voted 7-4 to declare him invalid. The 7 were all democrat appointees. The 4 dessenters were all republican appointees. No surprise there. MSNBC et al fanned it up into a terrible set-back for Trump. It was not.
I suspect it is headed for SCOTUS. If SCOTUS strikes it down, Trump will get together with the senate leaders and come up with another approach to the same thing.
The 3 liberals are a lock against Trump. Two conservatives are a lock for TRUMP Gorsuch leans Trump. Roberts, Kavanaugh and Barrett go their own way sometimes.
No chaos. Politics. Europeans may hate it, but people always squeal when being denied access to the trough.
Hey Marty, first off, I can’t watch MSNBC where I currently live. You keep referring to that news channel when you respond to my posts. I’d love to hear how they describe this issue. Of course, people from outside the US see news like this a bit differently than the Americans. Apparently, there will be no new deals until this thing is solved. All the countries that agreed on a deal are planning their next steps if the tariffs are declared illegal.
4 trillion $, wow. That would be a lot of money that they would have to give back to the companies and importers that paid the extra money to import those products. I have no idea how they would return the money because a lot of it was paid by the American people when they bought those higher priced foreign products.
For your information: that suit against the tariffs was filed by red and blue States. I think you refer to them as Trump adversaries.
Like you said, nobody knows how this will end. That is exactly why other countries view this as being chaotic. I acknowledge, that you say there is no chaos. Apparently this is totally normal with Trump as President.
Hey Marty, first off, I can’t watch MSNBC where I currently live. You keep referring to that news channel when you respond to my posts. I’d love to hear how they describe this issue. Of course, people from outside the US see news like this a bit differently than the Americans. Apparently, there will be no new deals until this thing is solved. All the countries that agreed on a deal are planning their next steps if the tariffs are declared illegal.
4 trillion $, wow. That would be a lot of money that they would have to give back to the companies and importers that paid the extra money to import those products. I have no idea how they would return the money because a lot of it was paid by the American people when they bought those higher priced foreign products.
For your information: that suit against the tariffs was filed by red and blue States. I think you refer to them as Trump adversaries.
Like you said, nobody knows how this will end. That is exactly why other countries view this as being chaotic. I acknowledge, that you say there is no chaos. Apparently this is totally normal with Trump as President.
Rob, Let events play out. Your in an echo chamber and everyone around you has set their own hair on fire. So you see "chaos" all about.
See the big picture... Trump has been bashed every way possible for a decade. Pronounced done-and-over more times than I can remember. Yet...he is POTUS.
The takeaway, There are a lot of other people and events to consider other than the ones in your echo chamber.
All of this is petty stuff. At the moment, UT is down 0-7 at the half, the receivers can't get open and Arch can't throw an accurate pass. That is what is important.
Rob, Let events play out. Your in an echo chamber and everyone around you has set their own hair on fire. So you see "chaos" all about.
See the big picture... Trump has been bashed every way possible for a decade. Pronounced done-and-over more times than I can remember. Yet...he is POTUS.
The takeaway, There are a lot of other people and events to consider other than the ones in your echo chamber.
All of this is petty stuff. At the moment, UT is down 0-7 at the half, the receivers can't get open and Arch can't throw an accurate pass. That is what is important.
Marty, what I described is not my personal opinion but that way the international press is reporting this.
I see the big picture. In my opinion the US has elected a felon for President. He is a convicted felon. You say he’s being bashed. If he breaks laws and does stuff that he shouldn’t, he deserves it. If his tariffs are illegal, he won’t be held accountable for anything because he’s the President. He’s immune. Like you said … done over and over more times than we both can remember. If he can’t be held accountable, who will pay for this mess? Probably the American taxpayer. Marty, you and me. I’m still waiting to see where his name shows up in the Epstein files. That was long before he became President, before his immunity.
In my opinion the US has elected a felon for President. He is a convicted felon.
Rob
There were a majority of people with a different opinion who elected him POTUS. He was convicted in a blue state in a politically hostile jurisdiction on charges that were pieced together from state and federal statutes.
Charges that federal prosecutors elected to pass on, that were assumed by a local candidate who promised to get Trump if elected. And now it is coming out that that prosecutor may be guilty of the same category crime....fraudulent filings.
I'm not sure that the end of that story is here yet either.
Marty, I know you love the guy. A jury found him guilty on all 34 felony counts. He committed fraud for years by inflating the value of assets. Since the beginning of this year he earned more than $2 billion from cyptocurrency-related ventures, 150 million by accepting a private jet from Qatar, he received a $2 billion investment from a UAE sovereign wealth fund, earned $40 million by selling Trump merchandise. He made $3.4 billion in profits tied directly to presidency-related businesses. This is not right. If Biden had done that, you would have grilled him. He didn't and you grill him anyway whenever you can. I saw what happened on January 6 live on TV. Trump lost the election and seemed to see a need to hold a rally in DC. Why? He could have easily stopped the mob. He didn't. He didn't care if the mob had hanged Pence. And this guy is our President and a majority of people elected him. He's in the Epstein files and I can't wait to see why his name is in there multiple times. You're fine with all of this. You're not the only one. I accept that. But, I think differently. Peace - Robert
Marty, I know you love the guy. A jury found him guilty on all 34 felony counts. He committed fraud for years by inflating the value of assets. Since the beginning of this year he earned more than $2 billion from cyptocurrency-related ventures, 150 million by accepting a private jet from Qatar, he received a $2 billion investment from a UAE sovereign wealth fund, earned $40 million by selling Trump merchandise. He made $3.4 billion in profits tied directly to presidency-related businesses. This is not right. If Biden had done that, you would have grilled him. He didn't and you grill him anyway whenever you can. I saw what happened on January 6 live on TV. Trump lost the election and seemed to see a need to hold a rally in DC. Why? He could have easily stopped the mob. He didn't. He didn't care if the mob had hanged Pence. And this guy is our President and a majority of people elected him. He's in the Epstein files and I can't wait to see why his name is in there multiple times. You're fine with all of this. You're not the only one. I accept that. But, I think differently. Peace - Robert
Rob,
From now on "Takeaway #1" is the fact that Trump was elected president for 2024 in spite of this stuff and everything else that the dems threw at him. The voters looked at the totality of it and discarded it.
Regarding the judge and jury... The award has been set aside by a NY appellate court. It conflicts with the 8th amendment, designed to prevent the govt from drilling people into the ground with fines. What does that tell you about the overall situation?
IF... there had been loans that were not re-paid If un-paid lending institutions were suing for damages And then, the govt came in with charges...I could see this as legit. But they did not. The feds passed on it. Hostile NY politicians made destroying him their only campaign promise. James et al pieced together some federal and state laws to make a case A hostile jury found him guilty A hostile judge attempted to bury him in fines, and those fines were shut down in NY on appeal.
All loans were paid. No banks complained. No one suffered any economic damages except those under the narrative dreamed up by James. We both know that no one else on earth would have had these charges brought against them except Trump...by James who swore to "get him" if elected.
Re: Takeaway #1 And Rob, keep in mind...OJ was acquitted. Do you presume from that verdict that he did not commit the murders?
As for the rest of it? Crypto, etc.
QUESTION: Is it actually going on or just more "Russian collusion," distortions rattled out by Rachel Maddow et al every night. QUESTION: If any of it is going on, is it actually illegal?
Marty, I know you love the guy. A jury found him guilty on all 34 felony counts. He committed fraud for years by inflating the value of assets. Since the beginning of this year he earned more than $2 billion from cyptocurrency-related ventures, 150 million by accepting a private jet from Qatar, he received a $2 billion investment from a UAE sovereign wealth fund, earned $40 million by selling Trump merchandise. He made $3.4 billion in profits tied directly to presidency-related businesses. This is not right. If Biden had done that, you would have grilled him. He didn't and you grill him anyway whenever you can. I saw what happened on January 6 live on TV. Trump lost the election and seemed to see a need to hold a rally in DC. Why? He could have easily stopped the mob. He didn't. He didn't care if the mob had hanged Pence. And this guy is our President and a majority of people elected him. He's in the Epstein files and I can't wait to see why his name is in there multiple times. You're fine with all of this. You're not the only one. I accept that. But, I think differently. Peace - Robert
I wish I was that smart , lol and he wins it twice. The guy is 78 and running world , Most guys are in rocking chairs by then
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We’re all built from the same dust and dreams, Different roads, but the same means.
I wish I was that smart , lol and he wins it twice. The guy is 78 and running world , Most guys are in rocking chairs by then
Aint that the truth?
All these people get on tv and call him, dumb, naieve, chicken and everything else. Yet, none of them are president...he is.
His enemies built him up from formidable into Trumpenstein, by assailing him with mindless, incompetent, distorted attacks and accusations. Now he is turning the sword. No surprise there.
I wish I was that smart , lol and he wins it twice. The guy is 78 and running world , Most guys are in rocking chairs by then
Aint that the truth?
All these people get on tv and call him, dumb, naieve, chicken and everything else. Yet, none of them are president...he is.
His enemies built him up from formidable into Trumpenstein, by assailing him with mindless, incompetent, distorted attacks and accusations. Now he is turning the sword. No surprise there.
I don't follow it 99.9 % of the time , He could be guilty of fraud , But he gets away with it , probably helps with rich lawyers , He probably has everyone buried in paper work , it would take years to unravel it . Thats what these billionaires do. They're smart. Who knows on Epstein , Trump so far has got away with it if there was hanky panky . Combs hasn't , he's going to prison . So I guess money dosen't always save ya. Trumps smarter then a rapper I guess, Safe to say Trump covers his tracks better.
Last edited by bennash; 09/01/2504:18 PM.
We’re all built from the same dust and dreams, Different roads, but the same means.
Rob, From now on "Takeaway #1" is the fact that Trump was elected president for 2024 in spite of this stuff and everything else that the dems threw at him. The voters looked at the totality of it and discarded it.
Regarding the judge and jury... The award has been set aside by a NY appellate court. It conflicts with the 8th amendment, designed to prevent the govt from drilling people into the ground with fines. What does that tell you about the overall situation?
IF... there had been loans that were not re-paid If un-paid lending institutions were suing for damages And then, the govt came in with charges...I could see this as legit. But they did not. The feds passed on it. Hostile NY politicians made destroying him their only campaign promise. James et al pieced together some federal and state laws to make a case A hostile jury found him guilty A hostile judge attempted to bury him in fines, and those fines were shut down in NY on appeal.
All loans were paid. No banks complained. No one suffered any economic damages except those under the narrative dreamed up by James. We both know that no one else on earth would have had these charges brought against them except Trump...by James who swore to "get him" if elected.
Re: Takeaway #1 And Rob, keep in mind...OJ was acquitted. Do you presume from that verdict that he did not commit the murders?
As for the rest of it? Crypto, etc.
QUESTION: Is it actually going on or just more "Russian collusion," distortions rattled out by Rachel Maddow et al every night. QUESTION: If any of it is going on, is it actually illegal?
Marty
Marty, the problem I see with America these days is everything, absolutely everything is being politicized. The Fed, the CDC, the judges, the courts. Trump keeps claiming these are dems that are not doing their job correctly and replacing them with his own thugs and Fox people. He’s creating a swamp he said he wanted to drain. His “followers” follow him blindly. This is the end of democracy. Every time Trump has a problem, he blames the dems. It’s always a witch hunt. I don’t fall for that like many Republicans do. Marty, if you look at what you wrote, you might notice what I’m describing. I saw the January 6 resurrection unravel live. He sent his supporters to the Capital and told them to fight like hell and they did just that. They fought with the police, broke into the building and wanted to hang his VP. People died that day and Trump was not held accountable for what he did. He pardoned everyone who was there and supported him that day. That says it all, Marty. Did he do those other things they claim he did? I think Elvis nailed it. He gets away with it because he has good lawyers and because he knows how to cover his tracks. I heard they could release the complete Epstein files immediately if they wanted to. I’m sure Trump won’t let that happen. He’s probably going to say that the files were created by the dems, they are fake and therefore shouldn’t be released. I sure hope this time his “followers” don’t follow him.
When Biden and Harris were in, there was a point when 3000 illegal crossings were happening a day. Both of them said that it could not be stopped. Trump stopped it. I'm convinced that Biden and the dems did not want it stopped for "POLITICAL" reasons. Most of the American people did. The takeaway" ...Trump blamed the dems and he was right. That elected him.
When the idiots stormed the Capitol building, Trump was on video prior telling them to "fight." He also told them to remain peaceful on video. The constitution forbids the thought police from arresting people. Did Trump fire the crowd up, leave, and take delight in what they did and let it linger? Maybe. But, he was not at the riot when it occurred. He did not tell them to destroy property and break-in. Dems having been using the term "fight" right and left lately to motivate "the resistance." He specifically said to remain peaceful on video. What you and others want to believe that he thought... is not evidence. Never forget "Takeaway #1."
As for Epstein, Biden had those files for four years and revealed nothing beyond a suicide conclusion. Where is all your alarm and indignation for that? I suspect that you are certain that Trump is covering his own tracks. You don't know that. Who was Biden covering for? Bill Clinton and others? btw...I'd like to see the files too. Somebody seems to be providing cover for something.
SPECIAL NOTE: A troll bumped this thread and took pride in getting it re-fired. Once it was going, the troll trolled it, adding nothing of interest, just petty and adolescent sarcasms. Please make a final statement and let this fade. Political conversation is highly divisive and degrades the atmosphere here.
I kinda doubt billionaires are innocent of everything including Trump , They're just good at playing the games , Everything they do is tied up in courts. 4 million a year lawyers on Trumps side is probably smarter than a lowly paid prosecutors. Justice has nothing to do with law , per OJ, it's $$$s and a better bulshit story.Biden pardoned his son , total bulshit and power. drugs and weapons
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We’re all built from the same dust and dreams, Different roads, but the same means.
When the idiots stormed the Capitol building, Trump was on video prior telling them to "fight." He also told them to remain peaceful on video. The constitution forbids the thought police from arresting people. Did Trump fire the crowd up, leave, and take delight in what they did and let it linger? Maybe. But, he was not at the riot when it occurred. He did not tell them to destroy property and break-in. Dems having been using the term "fight" right and left lately to motivate "the resistance." He specifically said to remain peaceful on video. What you and others want to believe that he thought... is not evidence. Never forget "Takeaway #1."
Marty, I think you got some of the facts wrong. Trump wasn't on video that day. The Congress was supposed to confirm the electoral vote in the Capitol. Trump held a rally nearby and declared if Pence failed to act, the rally crowd would not let the confirmation take place (We're not going to let that happen!). He did use the word peaceful, but the crowd wasn't listening. Trump encouraged them to walk over to the Capital building and urged the audience to fight like hell or "you're not going to have a country anymore". That may sound peaceful to you but sure didn't me and his supporters. Trump had planned to go with them but the Secret Service stopped him from doing that. Marty, he wasn't on video, that happened live. I watched the whole thing on TV. Why did he organize a rally there on that day? To be peaceful? It took Trump hours to call the whole thing off. He only did that when he noticed the insurrection would fail.
Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
As for Epstein, Biden had those files for four years and revealed nothing beyond a suicide conclusion. Where is all your alarm and indignation for that? I suspect that you are certain that Trump is covering his own tracks. You don't know that. Who was Biden covering for? Bill Clinton and others? btw...I'd like to see the files too. Somebody seems to be providing cover for something.
Well, Biden never promised to release the Epstein files. So why are you blaming him now for not doing that? There's nothing in the files. That's why there is no need to release anything. But then Trump came and said there's something in there that we have to know. He promise to release the files. Now he chickened out and said there's nothing there. You still think Biden is covering someone. Why don't you believe Trump?
Trump was on video that day. He addressed the crowd a few blocks from the Capitol building prior to them storming it. I have seen it several times. I dont have that wrong. You do. And I know why. You dont watch anything except for echo-chamber outlets. They dont show it or mention it. Check it again.
Biden never promised to release the EPSTEIN FILES? Why not? It was a big issue. I just watched the EPSTEIN PRESS CONFERENCE on msnbc. Marjorie T Green and several democrats, along with women subjected to Epstein, accompanied by their attys presenting a very compelling front, demanding information that they have been demanding for years. I'd like to see it too.
Why was this not an issue for 4 years? ANSWER: It was. But you give a complete pass on any responsibility for letting it ride to Biden et al...until Trump comes along. Now, 4 years later, it is a great moral travesty that must be uncovered immediately. Incongruity. In fact, for 4 years, it was a "right wing conspiracy" and the victims were dusted. By Biden et al.
This group assembled for the press conference looks like a dog with a bone, and aint gonna let go. One of the women said that she and other crime victims were going to collectively, in private, assemble their own list of people that they were handed out to as party favors. "The sword of Damocles." Stay tuned.
Marty, I'm going to stop this discussion. It's a waste of time. I was in Germany at the time. I know what happened on January 6 because I saw the whole thing live on German TV. You make it sound like they didn't show it live in the US, only later on video. If that is the case, the media you watch is screwing you. You can read what happened that day in Wikipedia. Sorry, but this time YOU have it wrong.
You make it sound like it's Biden's fault they Trump is now hiding something.
On January 6, 2021, before the riot at the U.S. Capitol, Donald Trump addressed a crowd at a "Save America" rally near the White House. During his speech, he repeated false claims about a stolen election and urged his supporters to march to the Capitol. He told the crowd, "We're going to walk down to the Capitol, and we're going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women," adding, "You'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong." He also said, "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
Later that day, after the Capitol was breached, he released a video message telling his supporters to "go home," while also repeating his claims about the election. In the video, he said, "We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You're very special."
Biden is not responsible for Trump's actions. Trump is. Biden is responsible for his inaction over 4 years holding the same files and doing nothing for the victims who were all over it.
btw...your idea to "stop this discussion" is a good one. I'm all for it.
Marty, on January 6 that happened live. Now it's a video.
Your point...? This is Trump, immediately prior to the riot, explicitly addressing the crowd with "patriotic and peacefully." This video has been around since the day that it happened. It is never mentioned on the outlets that you follow. He did not go with them to what erupted into a riot.
Rob, When the idiots stormed the Capitol building, Trump was on video prior telling them to "fight." He also told them to remain peaceful on video.
I still don't get it. He told his supporters at the rally to walk to the Capitol. He said he would go with them. He wasn't allowed to. Secret Service took him to the White House. They had to use force. Trump didn't tell them to fight on video clip. He talked to them directly and they went to the Capital afterwards and did what he told them to: fight like hell.
Marty the only outlet I mentioned was German television. Which outlets do you think I follow when I'm in Germany?
Rob, When the idiots stormed the Capitol building, Trump was on video prior telling them to "fight." He also told them to remain peaceful on video.
I still don't get it. He told his supporters at the rally to walk to the Capitol. He said he would go with them. He wasn't allowed to. Secret Service took him to the White House. They had to use force. Trump didn't tell them to fight on video clip. He talked to them directly and they went to the Capital afterwards and did what he told them to: fight like hell.
Marty the only outlet I mentioned was German television. Which outlets do you think I follow when I'm in Germany?
Facts: For whatever reason that Trump addressed the crowd near the White House and did not go with them to the Capitol....he was not at the Capitol. He told them to "fight like hell" and told them to do it "peacefully and patriotically." Gavin Newsome et al are telling people to "fight." No one is accusing them of inciting a riot because they used that term. They may be inciting violence, but the term is considered to be figurative.
The net of it: Regardless of what you or I or German television may have thought was going on in Trump's mind (thought police) ....evidence is based on what actions that he actually took.
Had he been standing on the Capitol steps and said,
"Bust in and hang them all"....that would have been a criminal offense. BUT...he was not there at all and said nothing like that and conversely told them to be "peaceful and patriotic."
Of course German TV and Rachel Maddow have never displayed "peaceful and patriotic" because it would undercut and un-fuel the narrative that sells their air time, to an unquestioning audience.
Facts are facts. What we may believe may or may not be.
Marty, in my opinion, he waited too long to call it off. I understand everything you say, but it took him too long. He was watching the whole thing in the White House. His advisors told him to call it off. He didn't. Well, eventually he did. Way too late.
Marty, in my opinion, he waited too long to call it off. I understand everything you say, but it took him too long. He was watching the whole thing in the White House. His advisors told him to call it off. He didn't. Well, eventually he did. Way too late.
From what I've read, I think that maybe he did. But unless he was involved in a conspiracy to drag his feet as part of a planned riot, that's not a criminal act.
Ok Marty. Let’s assume, one of your neighbors hates you. He goes over to the corner of the street and starts rallying the people together, telling them bad things about you that aren’t true, but they don’t know that. He get’s them so fired up and then tells them to peacefully go over to your house and fight light hell other wise they won’t have a neighborhood anymore. They go to your house and break in wanting to kill you. You and your family get away just in time. You say the guy who lit the fire did not commit a criminal act because he didn’t join the mob. Wow, Marty.
Somebody just sent me this email. The source is pretty reliable but I'll have to watch the news tonight to confirm it.
Today, Trump was in his office extolling his greatness and disparaging his political enemies. At the same time a group of women, victims of sexual abuse at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein and his accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell, were on the steps of the U.S. Capitol, just over a mile away, at an extraordinary press conference in which they pleaded with members of Congress to release the entirety of the Epstein Files. “We are the Americans you promised to protect,” one of the victims said. But in the White House, Trump told reporters it was all just a plot to distract Americans from his accomplishments. Trump said: "It was a hoax. It's all been a big hoax. It's perpetrated by the Democrats and some stupid Republicans, and foolish Republicans fall into the net. And so they try and do the Democrats’ work. The Democrats are good for nothing other than these hoaxes.” What the press and public should be concentrating on are all his successes, he argued. Like ending all those wars, solving the crime problem, redecorating the White House. It’s all part of the “Trump Derangement Syndrome,” he said, an incurable disease. But the damage done to the women who stood before the Capitol today is no hoax. Which is why they are demanding an end to what they believe is a coverup.
I had the entire press conference on with the Epstein victims on the TV while I was working on something. I was watching MSNBC by the way. I also saw them cut away to Trump inside the White House when he made those statements.
I'm one of the people that thinks a lot of bad people have gotten away with a lot of bad things and that should be brought to the light of day. So, like you, Trump's response to it all doesn't sit well.
Even Marjorie Taylor green sides with you. Trump has a base problem with this. I don't know where it goes but those women and their lawyers and Marjorie Taylor green seem hellbent on getting to the bottom of it.
Am I ready to denounce Trump and throw him out of office? No. There are a lot of issues to think about.
My instincts are that Trump probably did not diddle any of the young girls , but if he did , the world needs to know . I'm more inclined to believe that this is being covered up on behalf of some very wealthy but wretched people, like the British dude, who dont want their social standing obliterated. Nonetheless, all of this doesn't look right.
My instincts are that Trump probably did not doodle any of the little girls , but if he did , the world needs to know . I'm more inclined to believe that this is being covered up on behalf of some very wealthy but wretched people , like the British dude . Nonetheless, all of this doesn't look right.
I wouldn't be surprised if he did, what you are hinting. But like you, I think he probably didn't. But someone is in those files that Trump wants to cover. That person must be really important for Trump. I mean reeeealy important. My guess is, someone is in the files that knows something about Trump that could be very damaging for him. The pressure is rising. Does Trump have the right to veto the release?
I wouldn't be surprised if he did, what you are hinting. But like you, I think he probably didn't. But someone is in those files that Trump wants to cover. That person must be really important for Trump. I mean reeeealy important. My guess is, someone is in the files that knows something about Trump that could be very damaging for him. The pressure is rising. Does Trump have the right to veto the release?
And/or the rumors could be true and Epstein was set up in business by international spy agencies to entrap powerful people with underage girls. I watched a special on Maxwell and it suggested that she was so entranced by Epstein that she would do his procurement just to stay in his favor. She transferred "daddy" off on to Epstein by that thinking. That's asking too much of any one who can walk, chew gum and contemplate the consequences of sloppily and recklessly prostituting underage girls.
And then...there is that sham incarceration that Epstein got in Florida.
Sumpin' jus' don't smell right.
I don't know what powers Trump has. He has been the best civics lesson that America ever received. He has the power to order things held or not within the executive branch. If a court ordered the release, all bets are off concerning what Trump might do.
Ok Marty. Let’s assume, one of your neighbors hates you. He goes over to the corner of the street and starts rallying the people together, telling them bad things about you that aren’t true, but they don’t know that. He get’s them so fired up and then tells them to peacefully go over to your house and fight light hell other wise they won’t have a neighborhood anymore. They go to your house and break in wanting to kill you. You and your family get away just in time. You say the guy who lit the fire did not commit a criminal act because he didn’t join the mob. Wow, Marty.
I missed this before.
It would depend on what was actually said, as to whether it was a crime or not. Maxine Waters told people to accost people in restaurants and give em' hell. That is not a stretch to assume violence could result.
If it did, should she be charged with a crime if she was no where around?
They would be parsing her words in court. She never said be "peaceful and patriotic."
I had a neighbor once who had a homeowner insurance claim. He couldn't get it paid for complex reasons. I am convinced that he tried to set his house on fire to force the insurance company's hand. The circumstantial evidence was damning. But I couldn't get the cops to do anything, because there was no indisputable proof. (smoking gun in his hand)
Rob, TAKEAWAY #2 - you dont want to live in a country where the thought police can throw people in jail for what they are presumed to be thinking. Leave all that kind of thing over in Germany.
It looks like a strike carried out by US forces on a boat in the Caribbean Sea - which the White House says killed 11 drug traffickers - violated international law. US forces destroyed a vessel which, according to Trump, had departed from Venezuela. He said the boat was operated by the Tren de Aragua cartel and was carrying drugs bound for the US. They could have easily stopped the boat and arrested the 11 crew members and investigated to find out more about the channels they use to distribute the drugs. Instead, the US military just blew them out of the water. On a full tank that boat could have travelled some 100-300 miles. Venezuela is 1,300 miles away from the US. What if they made a mistake and tourists were on board? Labelling people a terrorist does not make them a lawful target. You can’t just blow up ships in international waters. What if China would do that? Trump is the President of the United States, not the world. He can use the military on Americans and countries we are at war with, not ships in international waters. I think he crossed a line here.
The cartel violates international laws everyday and kills kids with drugs , Good for Trump. He'll have to keep killing them though , they replenish themselves because of big money killing kids. I have no symphony for drug dealers . or international laws when it comes to them. I could care less what China has to say. They been robbing us blind for years ... Justice and laws have nothing in common sometimes
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It looks like a strike carried out by US forces on a boat in the Caribbean Sea - which the White House says killed 11 drug traffickers - violated international law. US forces destroyed a vessel which, according to Trump, had departed from Venezuela. He said the boat was operated by the Tren de Aragua cartel and was carrying drugs bound for the US. They could have easily stopped the boat and arrested the 11 crew members and investigated to find out more about the channels they use to distribute the drugs. Instead, the US military just blew them out of the water. On a full tank that boat could have travelled some 100-300 miles. Venezuela is 1,300 miles away from the US. What if they made a mistake and tourists were on board? Labelling people a terrorist does not make them a lawful target. You can’t just blow up ships in international waters. What if China would do that? Trump is the President of the United States, not the world. He can use the military on Americans and countries we are at war with, not ships in international waters. I think he crossed a line here.
What are the chances that the govt blew up a boat load of tourists or fisherman out in open water? Answer: Low
Practical consideration:
Who do you want dead? 11 drug traffickers? Or eleven (and many more) inexperienced American teenagers? These are organizations that torture, decapitate heads, hang bodies from bridges, murder journalists, murder politicians.
Pick your preferred outcome and who you align with.
Added considerations: Obama and 500+drone strikes carried out on foreign soil. Per Gemini In his final year in office, 2016, the United States dropped an estimated 26,171 bombs across seven countries: Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan
Regarding President "Obomber"...Were you complaining about international laws and crossing lines when he set those presidential records? (rhetorical question)
Was assassinating Bin Laden in Pakistan a violation of "international law?"
Who was on that boat? We'll never know. Again, what if China bombs a boat in international waters with 11 Americans on board and claims they were drug traffickers? According to what you guys wrote, you would be ok with that because they claim the people on the boat were shipping drugs. Labelling people a terrorist or drug trafficker does not make them a lawful target. Putin could bomb American boats and claim they were smuggling drugs to Russia. Marty, who do you want dead? The 11 American drug traffickers that Putin might kill or inexperienced Russian teenagers. What's wrong with you guys? We can't just shoot boats out of the water and planes out of the sky and claim there were drug traffickers on board.
What's wrong with you guys? We can't just shoot boats out of the water and planes out of the sky and claim there were drug traffickers on board.
Glad to hear that you don't want to see cartels succeed at their businesses.
Given the US long history gathering intelligence on drug cartels, I strongly suspect that drug traffickers were on that boat. Prolly not fisherman or tourists out in the middle of the ocean speeding along with cargo. They were probably tracked from their departure point with satellites and drones. I doubt there were fishing rods on board that boat.
It appears to have been timed with Rubio's trip to meet Sheinbaum. The subtext being..."we're serious about this."
You didn't answer my questions Rob?
"Obomber" dropped 26,000 bombs on middle eastern countries in 2016 and there was a lot of publicized collateral damage. Were all of the targets vetted? Did you register your indignation for the possible violations of internation law at the time? (rhetorical question)
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