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Tony, you have rattled off some of THE most ridiculous claims, assertions, narratives, all supposedly coming fim a belief in God, that, your sentence above is downright laughable.

Yes, God is the authority, not YOU

Back to Marty, im having a laugh. He once insisted here that OJ. Was found innocent.

I had to explain to the simpleton, that NOT GUILTY. Is not beimg found innocent.

Its simply an admission that we can not prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

I was actually stunned that he wouldn't know that.

It speaks volumes.

Yet he likes to call others ignorant

Dodge coin was doing great and I was up 400k. Then he opened his big fuckingg mouth on sat night live and tanked in about 5 minutes
then we cashed out some left in 20 grand , Fucking Trump stepped in and tanked again .
My accountant said its the Russian mob , I could carless , give me the money

So in Martys world, Christianity is ,a confederation, and OJ was found INNOCENT...
Yeah tell that to her family

What other batch of wisdom shall Martstein bestow on us...stay tuned

oh brother religion and Oj Simpson why don't guys write a song and push a button

You're need to stick up for him is puzzling.,

And funny NOW you encourage writing songs
, as you have been filling data space here, arguing with Tony, all day and night.

I gotta call bullshitt

Your need to stick up for him is puzzling. I have no idea what that means
Actually I like Tony , he's just a ashole . Why don't go to studio like you've been saying for 10 years and stop listening to Who
What mean now , I write four a week , While you guys bullshit on politics an religion , we'll gotta go I'll burn my breakfast

No i meant martstein

I'm gonna play with Kay-lnn she writes song, Bo i meant martstein I have no idea wtf that means
Go write a song , go the studio , you'll love it and feel like your hero WHO

Martys a douchebag

Tony has a way of hiding some seriously catchy hook lines in his rants. I’m not really in the mood for writing songs right now, but when I read those lines, my brain immediately started creating new lines - I couldn’t resist. This turned into one of the catchiest songs I’ve come up with in a while. Thanks for the inspiration.

A Fly That Won’t Die
https://soundclick.com/song/15230650

[Intro]

[Verse]
You walk in like you own the place
Big talk, but it’s all misplaced
Typing fast but it makes no sense
Every line just a weak defense

You brag loud like you cracked the code
But you're stuck on the same old road
Spellcheck crying, waving a flag
Still you flex like you never lag

[Pre-Chorus]
All that noise, but you say nothing
Hit “send” and it’s just bluffing

[Chorus]
You're a fly that won't die
Buzzin' loud but you still can't fly
You still can't spell, even with AI
Talk so big but it's all a lie

You're a fly that won't die
Round and round, just wasting time
You still can't spell, even with AI
Yeah, you try, but you can't get by

[Break]

[Verse]
Autocorrect tried to save your case
But it gave up without a trace
Every post is a comedy show
Did you mean that? We'll never know

Caps lock on like you're in a fight
But your words don’t land right
You swing hard but you miss the mark
All that spark, but it’s just dark

[Pre-Chorus]
All that noise, yeah it’s so empty
Loud and wrong on every entry

[Chorus]
You're a fly that won't die
Buzzin' loud but you still can't fly
You still can't spell, even with AI
Talk so big but it's all a lie

You're a fly that won't die
Round and round, just wasting time
You still can't spell, even with AI
Yeah, you try, but you can't get by

[Bridge]
Round and round, same mistake
Every word you overtake
Mirror’s cracked, but you still pose
Everyone sees, but nobody knows

[Breakdown]
Buzz, buzz—hear that sound?
Going nowhere, circling round
Buzz, buzz—say it twice
Still don’t make it sound that nice

[Final Chorus]
You're a fly that won't die
Buzzin' loud but you still can't fly
You still can't spell, even with AI
Talk so big but it's all a lie

You're a fly that won't die
Endless loop, no reason why
You still can't spell, even with AI
Fade away, just say goodbye

[Outro]
You're a fly that won't die

Lol...
That's cute!
But AI is still a LIE, Rob. Should have worked that in

What you in third grade waiting on detention ? Go write a song and push a button
How can hate someone you've never met . Fuckingg stupid

ha ha ha

He created.a climate here against me that is still lingering.

I cant have the same experience here as everyone else, he attacked dozens of my songs, back when his brain. Told him Ai no was good, he managed to sway most. Even Though he is prove. To be the biggest problem on a. Sitr.

He tried to research me, digging for dirt on me, that he could use against me here.

And he still cant help himself
What ate you smoking?

Hes a useless terd

Why don't you guys talk on the phone like men

The campaign he waged against me, was mean spirited. Unconcerned where I could go for a songwriting site, he did everything he coukd with venom to get me out of here. And why. Cause I say his songs suck? They do

Imagine going online to find what you can about somebody, to cerate a more dark picture of somebody, simply because you dont like them.

I would never do that to anybody, I'm not obsessed enough, nor have the interest.

Im An extremely serious songwriter, I love it. I love sports, Lesbians, Spanish women, Italian food, physics, history, but take these interest somewhere else.

Anybody looking from outside would say I belong here more than this twit

Hes gor a fuckin weird mind, he's been banned, now needs this place again


And you keep sticking your dick in his ass.

Hes bad news, has no empathy or compassion for anyone.

Yes, I posted this in the correct forum...


https://soundclick.com/song/15225285

A blood moon shines bright
High time for a slaughter
Don't believe your eyes
Devil's walkin' on the water
Hey, hey, Devil's walkin' on the water...

Honey, honey... it's better to pretend
Money, money... sold yourself again
Funny, funny... laughing till the end
Can't turn back once the reaper comes a callin'...

Another day, the way, and treachery of men
Your heart knows what your soul has to say about sin

A blood moon shines bright
High time for a slaughter
Don't believe your eyes
Devil's walkin' on the water
Hey, hey, Devil's walkin' on the water...

Time lulls and and senses dull
Hand to mouth as life's bell tolls
We prodigies of apologies
The gales of winter chill wherever they blow...

Another day, the way, and treachery of men
Your heart knows what your soul has to say about sin

A blood moon shines bright
High time for a slaughter
Don't believe your eyes
Devil's walkin' on the water
Hey, hey, Devil's walkin' on the water...

Well whatever, so much for adults

Good Morning.
It's time for my "breakfast with fools."
I am not gonna get all wrapped up in an ongoing back-and-forth on any of this. It's gotten too repetitive and boring. I'm gonna pick my favorite pieces of nonsense that you all have generated in the last 24 hours and comment solely on those.

Usually Moe aka JAPOV generates the most twisted absurdities on this site, but today that recognition goes to Larry aka Fdemetrio.
He has not only issued his usual spray of adolescent insults, but has added what looks like a component of mental illness to it, which is actually somewhat serious and sad. My comments are below the quotes.




The line that really catches my eye in all of this diatribe posted by the personality who has had a running argument, laced with insults, leveled against seemingly everyone who has ever visited this site...and now claims to be a battered wife....is...

" He tried to research me, digging for dirt on me, that he could use against me here."

#1-Larry, it was you who went on to my YouTube and then linked it to this site and then began making fun of the personal appearance of a 70 year old man.
Textbook-"cyber bullying." You are projecting as you always do and you have coupled it with paranoia...which is more serious.

However, I know why you think that I researched you.
You left a trail of dots at different times.

1. You once said that you were a "loser" and meant it, which was bizarre.
2. You said that your brother was an attorney who met with Trump. That's prominent.
3. You wrote a song about a "mail-room boy" who was resentful that his stature was ignored and unrecognized by others. I took that as likely autobiographical. One possibility is that your brother got you a job in his firm's mail-room.

Accurate or not, I connected those dots and wrote a song with the lyric,

"Troll in the hole,
Mail-room boy, he be all grow'd."

Apparently, that struck a nerve.
There was no research. Your statement is paranoia.

And then there is...

"He created.a climate here against me that is still lingering."

No I did not. You have had running arguments in which you have called seemingly, everyone who ever posted a song here a "talentless hack."
You created your own climate.

And at this point Moe, Larry and Rachel with her TDS, have burnt any songwriting off here...and what is left... is this....accompanied only by Moe, Larry, Shemp, Rachel and "breakfast with fools."

Nicely done fellas.


That's a wrap for today.
See you tomorrow morning...maybe.

xoxo

Hilarious, somgwritimg needs to be learned, honed, developed.

A talentless hack, can still work to be better, some folks here have been writing the same lame stuff for 15, 20 years here.
When nobody tells them, they keep thinking its good.

Ow, if they dont care if its good, different again, but why make people listen or read it

I advocate for improving always have

Songwriting is widely considered a skill developed through consistent, intentional practice rather than solely an innate talent. While natural aptitude can help, dedicated practice—writing frequently, analyzing songs, and refining techniques—is paramount for creating high-quality music.

Ok ben has to work, now Tony will be all alone

WTF does all that mean , Point to the hook . You googled that , Who wrote that Elon Musk
I think a lesbian taught you , probably that gym teacher

Yes,its called using a reference, to illustrate a point

Using Ben as a reference e dont hold much weight .

Arts are alot of hard work, talent needs development

Many renowned songwriters and artists have emphasized that songwriting is more about discipline, persistence, and hard work than raw, innate talent. Established writers often describe it as a craft that must be honed, rather than a magical gift that only arrives through inspiration.
Here are some songwriters who have voiced this sentiment:
Ed Sheeran: Known for his strict songwriting discipline, Sheeran has stated, "Persistence is more important than talent".

Taylor Swift: Described as a highly disciplined writer, Swift has noted that she has been a "working songwriter since the age of 13," and emphasizes that her success is built on "hard work," rather than accidental talent.

Diane Warren: One of the most successful pop songwriters, Warren has talked about her intense work ethic, previously stating she spent 20 years writing six days a week, 10-12 hours a day, before allowing herself time off.

John Legend: Has stated that while an initial idea might be a gift, "it's all about putting in the hours to get it right" and that established songwriters rely on hard work to hone their skills.

Carole King: Despite her massive success, King has spoken about the hard work involved, noting that once inspiration strikes, it must be followed by "perspiration" and consistent effort.

Bob Dylan: While seen as a natural genius, Dylan has discussed the need for discipline, noting that "you have to learn the rules before you can break them".

Bruce Springsteen: Often referred to as "The Boss," Springsteen's career is marked by a rigorous work ethic, which observers describe as the key characteristic behind his artistic achievements.

Dolly Parton: Has mentioned that she treats her songwriting as a job, continuing to write even while busy, emphasizing consistent, daily work.
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Common Themes from Songwriters:
10,000 Hour Rule: Successful writers often mention that they had to make hundreds of mistakes, "writing many bad songs" before creating great ones.
Perspiration over Inspiration: Many creators echo Thomas Edison's sentiment that "Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration," applying this to the "100% inspiration and 100% perspiration" needed to finish a song.
Skill vs. Talent: The consensus among industry veterans is that talent gets you started, but skill (developed through work) gets you finished.
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“Persistence is more important than talent.” - Ed Sheeran. Do you

How will Ben weasel out of this one

SPANKED!

Yes I think its wise to remain silent, your foot was already too far In your mouth. As y6u talked out of your ass

World class jazz composer...

Seems alot of people, disagree with ben

Pat Metheny has explicitly stated that while talent is a factor, composition and musical success are primarily driven by hard work over the long run. He argues that dedication and practicing smarter, rather than relying on natural ability, are the keys to greatness

It just keeps getting worse for Ben.

Thus James Taylor guy, is pretty good.

James Taylor has expressed that songwriting is a process involving both unconscious inspiration and disciplined craft, often emphasizing the "work" involved in finishing a song. He has described the initial ideas as "lightning strikes" or a "process of discovery," but notes that turning those ideas into a finished product requires conscious effort.
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Key aspects of James Taylor's approach to songwriting include:
"Working on Craft": Taylor has noted that while the initial spark is mysterious, developing it into a song is "analytical" and "cerebral". He advises young songwriters to treat songwriting like a craft by emulating existing songs—rearranging them with new chords and lyrics to understand their structure.
The "Work" Method: Taylor keeps a "beat-up notebook" to jot down ideas and lines immediately to avoid forgetting them. He frequently revisits his notes to construct lyrics, often writing out an initial idea and creating variations in his notebook.
A "Discovered" Process: He often describes himself not as the creator of the songs, but as "the first person to hear them," viewing them as coming from an unconscious, uncontrollable place.
The "5 Stages": Taylor often follows a process of "buttoning up" a song, which includes structured, conscious work to find a third verse or a bridge that complements the earlier parts.
Perspective on Talent: In a 2016 video, Taylor indicated that "Talent Is Only The Entrance Ticket," emphasizing that developing the craft is what matters.

He couldn't have expected this ahellacking..

Pete Townshend has emphasized that developing the craft of songwriting and performance is more crucial for long-term success and artistic depth than raw, innate talent.
Key insights into Townshend's views on craft vs. talent include:
The Importance of Craft: Townshend has frequently championed the idea of learning and mastering the craft, particularly in songwriting, over relying on raw talent. He has specifically lauded artists like Sting as a "master craftsman".

Beyond "Talent": He has described the "stage craft" of The Who—which critics often dismissed as mere showmanship or "smashing guitars"—as a deep, calculated, and professional pursuit rather than just random destruction.

Artistry Over Time: Townshend noted that while talent might allow for a strong start, maintaining a career requires honing one's skills, as even talented songwriters can fall into bad habits over time.

Self-Taught Background: Townshend is self-taught on the instruments he plays, developing his own techniques rather than relying on formal training.
Purpose of Craft: For Townshend, the purpose of this craft is to make music that helps people understand themselves and the world, treating music as more than just "light entertainment".
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His focus on craft underscores a philosophy that artistry is a pursued profession and a developed skill rather than a purely innate gift.

We can o ly hope learns, and realizes I know more than he does.


Billy Joel views songwriting as a painful, disciplined craft—a "curse" or "torment"—rather than a purely talent-driven process, often favoring meticulous, long-term refinement over instant inspiration. He emphasizes that the more one writes, the better one gets, treating songwriting as a sculpting process where he writes music first, then sets lyrics to it.
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Key aspects of Joel's, as discussed in on Instagram and in interviews with The Learning Leader Show, approach include:
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Music First, Lyrics Second: Unlike many, Joel starts with the melody, rhythm, or a musical "dream" and fits words into that structure.
The "Sculpting" Approach: He described his process to The Learning Leader Show as closer to sculpture, molding the music into its final form.
"Torture" over Ease: Joel has described the process as "lonely" and "painful," as discussed on People.
High Standards/Self-Critique: He stopped writing new music because he couldn't meet his own high standards, telling Instagram that he "had not forgiven [himself] for not being Beethoven".
Not Editing Immediately: According to The Learning Leader Show, he often avoids changing lines, believing constant editing sends a message to his subconscious that he made a mistake.
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Ultimately, Joel sees songwriting as a learned, grueling process that required immense effort rather than just talent, as reported in this YouTube video and in Far Out

Been a rough night for big ben clock

Jimmy Webb, often regarded as one of the greatest songwriters of all time, emphasizes that the craft of songwriting—discipline, structure, and technique—is superior to, or at least a necessary handler for, raw talent. In his book songwriter: Inside the Art of Songwriting, he frames songwriting as a challenging, "hell on Earth" profession that requires rigorous work rather than just waiting for inspiration.
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Here are key aspects of Jimmy Webb's view on the craft of songwriting over talent:
The "songwriter" Philosophy: Webb argues against the notion that songwriting is purely magical or exclusively for the born-gifted. He teaches that songwriting is a skill that can be learned, practiced, and refined through "thousands of little techniques".
"Hell on Earth" Discipline: Webb famously wrote that if songwriting isn't "hell on Earth," then "you're doing it wrong," implying that high-quality songwriting requires immense labor, rewriting, and emotional endurance.
Structure over Spontaneity: While acknowledging the role of inspiration, Webb emphasizes structuring the song. He advises defining the "destination" or core idea of a song early on, treating it as a project that requires a clear plan and purpose.
Techniques for Development:
Brainstorming: He recommends creating a repository of phrases, images, and emotional concepts before starting to write music.
Letter Writing: He suggests writing letters to oneself or others to clarify the story and emotion behind the song.
Daily Observations: Webb advises keeping a notebook to record observations, overheard conversations, and emotional moments, similar to his own inspiration for "MacArthur Park".
The Importance of Rewriting: Webb has noted that, especially early in his career, he did less rewriting, but as he matured, the focus on revising and polishing became crucial to his craft.
Respect the Craft: He encourages songwriters to study their craft and not to rely solely on "cleverness," but rather to aim for intention, clarity, and serving the song.
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Webb’s approach, as detailed in songwriter, is designed to help songwriters manage the transition from having a "good idea" to creating a "finished, professional work".
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Jul 16, 2010 — Webb first started singing this way on his last record, 1996's Ten Easy Pieces. "I had decided that it was time for me to stop imitating Billy Joel and trying t...

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The Art of Songwriting with the Legendary Jimmy Webb
Apr 3, 2023 — The list of Jimmy Webb's accomplishments is the stuff legends are made of. Rolling Stone Magazine listed him as one of the top 50 songwriters of all time.

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Oct 19, 2025 — If one were to go to the source for a straight, unfiltered conversation about the craft of songwriting, there would be no better choice than Jimmy Webb.

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Oct 11, 1998 — In “songwriter,” songwriter Jimmy Webb offers tips for prospective songwriters, including a list of do's and don'ts for writing melody:

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With a combination of anecdotes, meditation, and advice, he ( Jimmy Webb ) breaks down the creative process from beginning to end–from coping with writer's bloc...

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What a drubbing...

Like most rodents, we need to make sure they are. Completely finished...

Hell probably come out later, pretending he wasn't clobbered here.

Paul Simon has consistently emphasized that his success is rooted more in the disciplined craft of songwriting and tireless work than in raw, innate talent. He has often described himself as a "patient and painstaking" writer rather than a naturally gifted prodigy, viewing his career as a process of continuous learning and growth.
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Key Aspects of Simon’s Focus on Craft:
"I Don't Consider Myself a Major Talent": Simon has stated that he doesn't see himself as a "major talent," a belief that drives him to focus on growing and improving his work.
Process Over Talent: His approach to songwriting is deeply structured, often beginning with rhythm or melody and finding the words through a puzzle-like process.
Hard Work and Persistence: When offering advice to young artists, Simon highlights that there are no shortcuts, advising them to "work hard" and focus on the craft rather than simply chasing fame.
The "Old Master" Approach: Unlike artists who hit their peak young, Simon has been described as a late bloomer who built his style over a long period, placing more value on the learning process than on immediate "finished paintings".
Commitment to the Work: He has noted that "the only interesting thing is the work" itself, rather than the celebrity surrounding it.
The Importance of Sound: Simon often prioritizes sound over words, creating rich, layered musical textures that define his craft.

I mean it was obvious I was a better writer and artist than him, now we know why.

I hope he dummies up for a while now, he's done enough damage to the knowledge of songwriting here

I have no idea what you're talking about Dom. How ya doing Tony

Good morning again.

There is definitely truth in that, but I think that congenital talent goes a long way in a lot of things. Larry (Dom), you could have had the best track coaches in the world since birth and worked out with them, on a track every day for twenty years, but you would never get to the Olympics. Nonetheless, hard work almost always pays off in some way.

#1 Larry aka Fdemetrio aka Dom
Larry, you cite a long list of well known songwriter performers. If any one of them visited this site and offered opinions, I would hang on their words. They've been there and done it, have Grammys to show for it, and seen things that they were sure would work, fail, and things that songs that they thought were middle-of-the-pack, takeoff. George Strait once said that when he put out an album, he had a hard time predicting which songs would be fan favorites.
The takeaway...you are nowhere on the lists of songwriters that you cite. Why is that relevant? Context.

#2 Larry and delusion (continued)
You are not in a recording studio trying to refine and take the rough edges off of a song that you created. You are here. You don't have cuts or grammys or anything else. When the basis for your songwriting critiques and opinions were called into question, you cited boxes of songs that you have written on paper and stuffed into shoe boxes over several years...as proof that you are an accomplished, knowledgeable and skilled songwriter.

Here is another, and to me, a more realistic way to view those boxes.
All of those boxes of random scribblings do not prove that you have advanced songwriting skills. They prove that you never got anything done or completed. Until AI came along and transformed your scribblings into songs....for you.

You are a scrub with delusions of grandeur.

#3 Context
As I said, you are not in the studio with actual artists working out your songs. You are here on this website talking about how great they are. You are the only one talking about how great that they are.

What is this website?
In reality, it is (or was) a social club. This is not a place where Taylor Swift comes to hone her craft. This has boiled down to a group of hobbyists who want to enjoy a pass time, and feel validated. This site is not the Dominick Dunne School of songwriting. You are a scrub with delusions and a poster boy for the Dunning-Krueger effect.

Taking your opinions seriously would be a mistake for anyone to do. There are all sorts of people out their in the world, ready to go into long explanations of how to do something or another, yet they don't really know. Taking their advice, or yours, is a wrong turn and likely harmful to their efforts.

This site did have a songwriter who had played in the game named Barnett. My understanding is that Moe's (JAPOV) constant badgering made him give the place up.

Mike Z was a tireless learner of production skills and a great asset to the site. He was willing to share all sorts of info that he cultivated. I can say with certainty that your badgering made him quit coming.

Kay-Lynn lives is Nashville, writes, attends song-swaps...and brought what she knows to the site. Moe wasn't having that, so he called her a Cu*t and told her to choke on a di*k...understandably she she started her own site.

What remains is Moe, Larry, Shemp, Rachel and breakfast with Marty.

Until tomorrow...maybe

xoxo

Yeah? And how many 13 year old, Taylor Swift were iut there, still are, who DID NOT put the work in, did not study craft, and their abilities thwarted.

And if TS did not work on her craft, we wouldn't know her

Mr oj was found innocent...

Maybe im not nowhere near these people. What does that mean?

If running track, i learn everything i can, manage to finish 5 seconds faster than I normally do, that is a win.

If you run the NYC marathon, and due to work, you FINISH, when I never did before, yet hundreds of people finish ahead of me.
Major win.

What your doing is saying unless somebody is exceptionally gifted, working on their craft will not help them improve.

And using a obvious insult to me, to try and prove that point.

It doesnt matter how successful you are, you can always improve.

You never do because you are a know it all bloviator, with very little knowledge to back it up.

And im a way better writer than you, and its not cause of unworldy skill.

Not many people here understand craft, the ones who do know this indisputable fact well