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by JAPOV - 05/01/26 04:06 PM
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For Dom
by JAPOV - 04/30/26 09:52 PM
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WHEN?
by JAPOV - 04/23/26 11:28 PM
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Good songwriters will generally produce better songs using Artificial Intelligence (AI) than bad songwriters because AI serves as a tool that amplifies human intent, taste, and experience.
AI excels at pattern recognition, speed, and generating options, but it requires a skilled human to curate, refine, and add emotional depth to the output.Here is how the skill gap persists even with AI:Prompting & Curation (Taste): Good songwriters know what makes a song "good" (e.g., lyrical hooks, emotional authenticity, structural variation).
They can curate AI outputs, selecting the few great lines from a pile of "cheesy" or generic content. Bad songwriters may simply take the first, most cliché output, resulting in formulaic music
The "Human Touch" Gap: While AI can mimic styles, it struggles to infuse music with genuine, nuanced emotion. Skilled songwriters use AI to handle technical tasks (like generating chord progressions or backing tracks) while focusing their energy on the "heart" of the song—real stories, emotional resonance, and lyrical nuance.
Workflow Integration: Experienced songwriters use AI as a collaborator to break writer's block or brainstorm new directions. In contrast, someone without fundamental songwriting skills might treat AI as a "ghostwriter," resulting in a song that lacks a cohesive vision.Editing & Refinement: An expert songwriter knows how to rewrite, rearrange, and edit AI-generated lyrics, transforming them from "AI-sounding" to "their own".
The Key Takeaway: The quality of the final song depends on the human's ability to direct the AI. AI reduces the "friction" of creating music, but it does not replace the artistic decision-making that sets good songwriters apart.
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Everything you run through Ai is re-sampled, duplicated, categorized and stored by AI... That's how Ai learns and adds detail to its library of genres. Once you use Ai, you can't separate yourself from the machine; Ai owns you, Ai labels you. Unless an artist has already resigned his/her self to mind-numbingly generic and over-processed digital crap... why would any legitimate and original songwriter do that? This topic has already become redundant, Dom... just like you. "YOU" didn't even write this... """" Good songwriters will generally produce better songs using Artificial Intelligence (AI) than bad songwriters because AI serves as a tool that amplifies human intent, taste, and experience.
AI excels at pattern recognition, speed, and generating options, but it requires a skilled human to curate, refine, and add emotional depth to the output.Here is how the skill gap persists even with AI:Prompting & Curation (Taste): Good songwriters know what makes a song "good" (e.g., lyrical hooks, emotional authenticity, structural variation).
They can curate AI outputs, selecting the few great lines from a pile of "cheesy" or generic content. Bad songwriters may simply take the first, most cliché output, resulting in formulaic music
The "Human Touch" Gap: While AI can mimic styles, it struggles to infuse music with genuine, nuanced emotion. Skilled songwriters use AI to handle technical tasks (like generating chord progressions or backing tracks) while focusing their energy on the "heart" of the song—real stories, emotional resonance, and lyrical nuance.
Workflow Integration: Experienced songwriters use AI as a collaborator to break writer's block or brainstorm new directions. In contrast, someone without fundamental songwriting skills might treat AI as a "ghostwriter," resulting in a song that lacks a cohesive vision.Editing & Refinement: An expert songwriter knows how to rewrite, rearrange, and edit AI-generated lyrics, transforming them from "AI-sounding" to "their own".
The Key Takeaway: The quality of the final song depends on the human's ability to direct the AI. AI reduces the "friction" of creating music, but it does not replace the artistic decision-making that sets good songwriters apart.
DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME HERE... CANCEL CULTURE IS ALIVE AND WELL @JPF!
YOU'LL NEVER KNOW WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN DELETED...
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Everything you run through Ai is re-sampled, duplicated, categorized and stored by AI... That's how Ai learns and adds detail to its library of genres. Once you use Ai, you can't separate yourself from the machine; Ai owns you, Ai labels you. Unless an artist has already resigned his/her self to mind-numbingly generic and over-processed digital crap... why would any legitimate and original songwriter do that? This topic has already become redundant, Dom... just like you. "YOU" didn't even write this... Good songwriters will generally produce better songs using Artificial Intelligence (AI) than bad songwriters because AI serves as a tool that amplifies human intent, taste, and experience.
AI excels at pattern recognition, speed, and generating options, but it requires a skilled human to curate, refine, and add emotional depth to the output.Here is how the skill gap persists even with AI:Prompting & Curation (Taste): Good songwriters know what makes a song "good" (e.g., lyrical hooks, emotional authenticity, structural variation).
They can curate AI outputs, selecting the few great lines from a pile of "cheesy" or generic content. Bad songwriters may simply take the first, most cliché output, resulting in formulaic music
The "Human Touch" Gap: While AI can mimic styles, it struggles to infuse music with genuine, nuanced emotion. Skilled songwriters use AI to handle technical tasks (like generating chord progressions or backing tracks) while focusing their energy on the "heart" of the song—real stories, emotional resonance, and lyrical nuance.
Workflow Integration: Experienced songwriters use AI as a collaborator to break writer's block or brainstorm new directions. In contrast, someone without fundamental songwriting skills might treat AI as a "ghostwriter," resulting in a song that lacks a cohesive vision.Editing & Refinement: An expert songwriter knows how to rewrite, rearrange, and edit AI-generated lyrics, transforming them from "AI-sounding" to "their own".
The Key Takeaway: The quality of the final song depends on the human's ability to direct the AI. AI reduces the "friction" of creating music, but it does not replace the artistic decision-making that sets good songwriters apart. And what about your blues guitar playing is not recycled? Its not unique because you say or think its somehow diffetent. Music has been copied forever. The point of this thread is, why results vary using Ai. Clear to hear.
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And what about your blues guitar playing is not recycled?
Its not unique because you say or think its somehow diffetent.
Music has been copied forever.
The point of this thread is, why results vary using Ai.
Clear to hear. Results vary for every person who picks up a guitar... clearly. By your logic, even John Lawrence Schick should just quit... Shut Up, DomDom!
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Dom, I don't get the point. Are you trying to explain why your songs don't sound as good as Tony's, Guy's or Marty's. Almost everybody who hangs out here is an experienced songwriter. What's the point you're trying to make here? Oh ... are you saying your AI songs sound better than everybody else's because you're the best writer on this site? If that's the case, I'm with Tony: This topic has already become redundant.
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Yeah', just like the NFL...
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Dom, I don't get the point. Are you trying to explain why your songs don't sound as good as Tony's, Guy's or Marty's. Almost everybody who hangs out here is an experienced songwriter. What's the point you're trying to make here? Oh ... are you saying your AI songs sound better than everybody else's because you're the best writer on this site? If that's the case, I'm with Tony: This topic has already become redundant. No, none of the above. But you made a comment, about me.. Ahem taking yiur lyrics and doing something with them. Saying...what exactly did I write? I didn't write it, but I clearly made it better. The point, the user matters. Not all Ai songs are the same
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And what about your blues guitar playing is not recycled?
Its not unique because you say or think its somehow diffetent.
Music has been copied forever.
The point of this thread is, why results vary using Ai.
Clear to hear. Results vary for every person who picks up a guitar... clearly. By your logic, even John Lawrence Schick should just quit... Shut Up, DomDom! Using John as a life line is pretty lame, even he's rolling his eyes. To apply the actual point of this... You could try to create a piece John might write with suno, and if he did too, his would be better. Get it now?
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Results vary for every person who picks up a guitar... clearly.
By your logic, even John Lawrence Schick should just quit...
Shut Up, DomDom! Using John as a life line is pretty lame, even he's rolling his eyes.
To apply the actual point of this...
You could try to create a piece John might write with suno, and if he did too, his would be better.
Get it now? No, none of the above... Neither JLS or I would ever use Ai. We've never been dumb enough to voluntarily train Ai. Get it now, DomDom?
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Results vary for every person who picks up a guitar... clearly.
By your logic, even John Lawrence Schick should just quit...
Shut Up, DomDom! Using John as a life line is pretty lame, even he's rolling his eyes.
To apply the actual point of this...
You could try to create a piece John might write with suno, and if he did too, his would be better.
Get it now? No, none of the above... Neither JLS or I would ever use Ai. We've never been dumb enough to voluntarily train Ai. Get it now, DomDom? No, you just want everybody else to do it for you, so you can keep saying you're against it. John doesn't need it., his pieces are fine on piano. If i had a backing band at my Beck and call, I wouldn't need it either
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