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Being more money aside, does anyone use them to sing live? I thought it would make a difference, but even with phantom power, it doesn't seem much different than a regular SM-58 type mike. The condenser feeds back a little more, and when you sing into it kind of sound distorted a little. You have to back off of it, and then there isn't any difference at all, I think. I plug them both into a Behringer Ultrapro 2200 mike preamp. Can anyone help, I thought if I bought a more expensive mike I would sound better(warmer). Is there a mike I am overlooking?
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you're not really giving a whole lot to go on here. What kind of condenser mic are you comparing to an SM58?
Have you tried the SM58 Beta? or maybe a Sennheiser mic?
without knowing what you're using it's hard to answer.
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Hi Jody- thanks for trying to help me! I tried and AKG-C1000s ($199) and an Oktava Mk-319 (which is on sale at Guitar Center for $99).
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I would think the vagaries of being bumped around in a live venue would argue against using the more expensive and fragile condenser mics in favor of dynamic. The subtle differences in sound quality are not likely to be noticed over a public address sound system.
It might depend on how quiet the venue is, and what kind of music you are performing. If the room and/or the music is noisy, don't bother. For a solo folk performance it might make a difference.
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Most condenser mics put out a lot stronger signal than dynamics. Unless you back off on the gain settings on your mixer compared to a setting for a dynamic mic, the condenser "could" overload the preamp and cause distortion. I don't recall a C1000 being particularly hot for a condenser (my TLM103 is a lot hotter), but it is a lot hotter than a 57/58. Depending on which dynamic mic you're comparing, the pickup pattern makes a HUGE difference in gain-before-feedback. The C1000 is not a particularly "tight" cardiod pattern, whereas the SM58 is probably narrower and could account for more feedback from the "better" mic. If you want a lot of gain-before-feedback, then go to a hyper-cardioid like the Shure Beta series as Jody suggested. The Beta 57 and 58 are really nice live mics for under or around $150. I haven't used too many Sennheisers, so can't recommend a specific model. Also, "expensive" doesn't necessarily mean "warmer". It usually just means a cleaner signal, i.e., more solid lows, clearer highs. I wouldn't recommend a C1000 for live use. However, you would probably hear a difference in clarity from a 58 if you were mic'ing an acoustic guitar with it. Hope that helps! ------------------ Larry www.audibleresponse.com [This message has been edited by Lwilliam (edited 08-21-2003).]
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Thanks SO much for your input, Jody, pd and Larry. I had a gig last night and my dealer let me try both a 57beta and a 58. The Beta was definitely the live mike for me. I could sing quietly and it delivered a beautiful full, bassy sound with me having to yell or strain. I am realizing that mike technique is very important. It's all part of learning, I have played acoustic only for so long, that playing out and being amplifed is a whole new learning process, but I'm getting better! Thanks again
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I know this is very late as far as replys go. But, the Shure Sm87beta condenser would be my live vocal mic of choice if I could afford it. It litterally draws your vocal out of your throat. I've preferred a 57 with the stock Shure wind screen for a long time {big difference}. My band mates prefer them as well. Good luck.
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Hi Kris- thanks for trying to help! You wrote "big difference" Are you saying that the Beta 87 is a big diff from a 57 or that the Beta 57 is a big diff with the wind screen? I just bought a beta57 and it didn't come with one. I looked at the Beta 87, it was $250, instead of the 57 $140. You think it's worth the extra money?
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[This message has been edited by Herbie Gaines (edited 09-16-2003).]
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Hi,
The difference between the 87Beta vs the 57 & 58 Beta's is this; The 87 "is" a condenser. The 57 & 58 are not. They are dynamic mics. The 87 should be noticably different in sound. As far as the 57 Beta goes. I own some of the standard {non Beta} 57s. We use the Shure AW2S wind screens on them. It makes it easier to use them out doors {less wind noise}and we replace the wind screens every so often. Which helps keep the mics element in good shape. Sweat & spit are a mic's worst enemy.
What I meant about a "big difference" was that using the Shure stock windscreen on the 57 is the way to go. Generic ones tend to be too thick, there by changing the sound of the mic. Or even lessoning it's volume.
If you are rough on equipment than the condenser is not the way to go. Lastly, you said you were getting some distortion. If your using a small head style P.A. system, it could be that the condensermic is too hot for it. If that is the case, then go with a dynamic. You said you could get a beta 57 for 140. They sell the standard 57 for 90-100 usually. The wind screen I suppose is around 15. They made a standard 87 as well. What are you using for a P.A. and what kind of stuff do you play?
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Hi Kris
I use a small peavey PA to sing through and a Hughes and Kittner acoustic amp. I used the Beta 57 at my gig last night and it worked well. The 87 is probably overkill for me. It's just me and my acoustic doing all genres from country to jazz to classic rock. I do over 400 covers and I have some originals.
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Yea Herbie, You made the right choice.
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