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DO YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THE BREAKS?

SEND A PHOTO BIO & CD FOR REVIEW...
TO:
Miranda Leake
733 Ruth Street
Prattville,Alabama 36067

Mirandastars@yahoo.com

Looking for new talent to promote to record label for possible major career step, only serious need apply...

Please check out my site and demo MP3's at

www.brianpetrin.com

Dear Miranda,

Three posts.

No website.

Prattville, Alabama.

Even Google doesn't know who you are.

Who are you and why should I send you a CD?

Please forgive my skepticism, but really, who are you? What connections do you have; how strong are they and at what level? What have you done in the music business? What are you doing in Prattville? Have you anything to offer this community?

Give us some details. Because believe me, this group will defend you to the death if you're real, but we smell snake oil a mile away. We don't take kindly to carpetbaggers, slicksters or sharks.

If you're willing to hang around and get to know us, and have something valuable or unique to offer, then welcome. Truly.

Otherwise, please forgive me if I'm not running down to the corner to FedEx a CD for which I laid out countless hours of sweat and tears, not to mention thousands of dollars in production costs.


Tag, you're it.

I am for real....

Iam the owner/Director Of A well known Promotional Company..

I do not have a website of my own but It is in the works, I work through many different Record Lables, for the search of Independent talent..

You can find out more about me at www.stardustcountrymusic.com at the message board..

Thanks for your reply

Miranda

GET YOU MUSIC AND TALENT OUT TO THE WORLD...

MIRANDA PROMOTIONS OF ALABAMA

mirandastars@yahoo.com

[This message has been edited by Miranda (edited 03-18-2004).]

I went to those message boards. Saw some vague stuff about a compilation CD. Let me guess...there's a nominal charge to be included on the CD. Am I right?

I am glad you went did you check out the message board it is another great board to post on everyone is so nice.

Yes there is a fee, but honey there is a fee to even breath anymore, If you were serious about your career you would want the best musician's in the world playing on your songs that you work so hard on that is my point, that is were I come in at, the musician's That record in our studio are the same one's that record with The Dixie Chicks Shania Twain Reba Waylon Jenning John Anderson and many many more...

I have alot to offer this community, that is my talent of Promotion, I dont care how good you are somebody has to get you heard, and seen.

Besides I dont even charge anything to review my clients press kit, If I think they have what it takes then I work to get them what they deserve, then only then do I charge a fee myself, when they make it I make it.

This is a crud bussiness to be in, there is not alot of trust, but I do know that a musician belives in there music and the music come from the heart, same with singers and songwriters.

I hope your opinion of me is a professional one, what do you have to offer I would love to see it hear it which ever it looks to me like you may even write a little bit..

Thanks again for you post,

God Bless

Miranda

[This message has been edited by Miranda (edited 03-18-2004).]

Miranda,

I doubt many of us are going to be impressed with vague references on a message board that most of us have probably never heard of. Not to mention that none of the posts I reviewed mentioned anything singing your praises. Perhaps you could link a few such posts.

Are you legit? I suppose it's possible but why not give us the name of your "well-known production company?" If it's "Miranda Productions," that's not going to cut it if no one knows you. Why not give us some names of artists that you have successfully promoted? Certainly, you would be in their album credits and you might have some other personal acolades which you can share. How about some of these famous musicians recording in your studio? Names?

I'm also not impressed that you do not charge a fee for reviewing a press kit. I know of no legitimate promoter who would.

Compilation CD's are sometimes a good idea but very rarely and NO ONE should have to pay to have a song on one. I find it interesting that you told RandyB that nothing is free anymore as a way to excuse the cost of the CD. Well, pardon my further skepticism but people with contacts in the industry and with the power to promote their artists have enough confidence in their own skills and contacts to front the costs of a demo. A compilation might be a way to offset some of the cost for multiple artists but again, the artists should not be paying for them.

As guildslinger wrote, you have no website and very few posts. At this point, you have no verifiable identity as a player in the biz and nothing to show us that sending you a CD would be anything more than a waste of postage. Your email address is a yahoo address for goodness sakes.

You mentioned to RandyB that he would want professional musicians recording his songs if he were serious about his career. I'd suggest you try showing us that you are serious about yours. If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to apologize but somehow I don't think I'm going to end up doing that.

Van

[This message has been edited by Buzz Grudge (edited 03-19-2004).]

I am sorry you feel this way about me, all I am doing is trying to help the artist that are serious about there career, you yourself know in this business it is all in who you know.

Right now I only promote Country and Gospel and I am having great review..

I will continue to help the artist that need me, with or without your blessings...

Thank you for your post..

Miranda

Fair enough but I noticed you still didn't give more information about yourself to give us more reason to believe you are legit.

Since we're talking about the business, you have to know that we are all on the lookout for scams because there are a lot of scams out there. Plus, scam artists are constantly coming up with new angles.

Add to that the fact that the internet is full of people who are full of BS and you pretty much have triple the caution you'd have in a face to face meeting.

I truly hope I'm wrong about you and you are legit. So far, I have no way to know for sure, just my hunches.

Miranda,

Your "promotional" company may or may not be legit, but there was certainly nothing I saw on those message boards to indicate that you were. Whatever your intentions or thoughts about the music business, by your own admission, you seem to be doing things that are generally considered unscrupulous in this industry.

No, there is not a fee to breathe....nor should there be a fee to be included on a compilation CD. First of all, such compilation CD's have little practical value (if any)in promoting an artists material. There are occasions, such as narrow niche markets, where I've seen a band benefit from being on a compilation CD. These instances are few and far between, though. At any rate, the artist should not be paying to be on such a CD.

"If you were serious about your career you would want the best musician's in the world playing on your songs"...

Living in Nashville, I have access to some of the world's best musicians in any number of studios. Many of these studios will do demos by mail order for someone who doesn't live in Nashville. You pay them for a product and they deliver. No other fees, promises or vaguely defined promotional offers. We're talking apples and oranges when we're talking about studio work and promotions.

I'm glad you don't charge a fee to review press kits, though it's certainly not something to be brag about. No one with any claims of legitimacy would charge money for that. Do you think that publishers, producers or anyone else that receives song submissions says "sure, send that for me to look over and include a check for $50"? No, they don't.

"looks to me like you may even write a little bit"...
Yes, I do even write a little bit and have for some time. So, I'm familiar enough with the music industry to advise anyone to beware of "services" such as yours.

The fact that you claim to be successful in promoting artists, yet are unwilling to cite any examples of your success is in itself a red flag. Believe me, if you drive down Music Row and pass a company that was involved in a successful song...they're not keeping it a secret. They've got banners hanging on the side of the building announcing their involvement with the artist or the project. The only people in this business who aren't willing to discuss their success are the people who haven't had any.
So, whether your business is merely one among many scams, or just a misguided attempt at being involved in the industry....there's nothing you've presented here that would recommend your services to anyone serious about their career.

Randy

Wow you are tacky, I am new at this got in the promotional field back in October trying to help a friend, I got lucky and yes I go to Nashville quite often.

I use Bayou Studio Owner George Clinton is a quick reference.

My artist at this time are all Indies...

Roger Liles Stardust Recording Label
Foxx Stardust Recording Label
Duncan Ferguson Independent Label
Tomoe Garcia Pending Label
Jennifer Wallace Pending Label
Elaine Blanks Pending Label.

My artist will be showcaseing at the TCMA in Nashville on April 7th -11th.

I havent found anyone to put out a free compilation if you have knowledge of this how about sharing it so I can save my artist some money...

Thanks again for your reply...

Miranda

[This message has been edited by Miranda (edited 03-22-2004).]

Miranda,

If a record label(or another entity)feels the need to release a compilation CD, or a various artists album, it's the record label that should bear the costs. If they didn't think, or at least hope, they'd make their money back...they shouldn't be releasing it. Requiring the artists on the CD to shoulder the cost is not a reputable way to do business. If you are honestly trying to help promote upcoming artists, then you should find a better way than putting out compilation CDs. Regardless of who's paying the bill, it's not an effective way to promote an artist.

Promoters get paid to promote...so, charging for your services is not automatically bad. It becomes a question of what your services consist of and whether there is an equitable value between what you provide and what an aspiring artist pays you. Your first posts on this thread were very vague and somewhat misleading. In this business, you should not be surprised when that causes people to assume the worst about you.

So, am I tacky for saying so. Maybe, but I doubt it. Based on your last response, it seems that you are trying to break into the business of artist promotion. You have limited experience, but according to you, there are a handful of independent artists who you are representing. You should have just said that to begin with. The phrase "promote to record label for possible major career step" is a little more than I think is justified based on your experience, especially when you were unwilling to share any details of your business.

I'm not trying to bash on you, but think about it. You stated earlier that you are the "owner/director of a well known promotional company". Well, a quick search by anyone would show that isn't quite true, or an exaggeration at the least. It's better to just state the facts about yourself if you're legitimately looking for business, rather than looking to take advantage of people. I'm sure there are independent artists out there who can't afford to pay a big time promoter, but would like some help in that area. Chances are, most of them won't consider you if they think you're running a scam.

If you want to succeed in artist promotion, it probably wouldn't hurt to have a good look around these message boards. It's a good place to see a broad cross section of artists, writers and industry folks of all kinds at all levels of the game. Getting a better understanding of what they think and what they are up to would serve you better, in my opinion, than this approach.

Randy

Miranda:

I've already stated that I will gladly apologize to you if I'm wrong but based on your posts here (which is all we have to go by), you are either out to make a quick buck or you are incredibly naive about the music business. Either way, your own statements do not give us any reason to believe that anyone should have faith in your abilities as a promoter.

Consider that your first couple of posts indicated that you were the owner/director of a successful promotional firm. Yet, your most recent post states that you only started doing this in October and you got lucky. Please explain how this would lead anyone to believe that you have any skills of promotion that would benefit anyone? No doubt, luck plays a part but you have to have skill as a promoter and a lot more knowledge of the industry than you have demonstrated thus far.

Other facts that should cause anyone to raise an eyebrow...

1) The fact that you are apparently not aware that a compilation CD is generally not an effective promotional tool and that artists should not be charged money to have their songs included. FYI: Being charged to be on a compilation CD is a HUGE red flag in this biz that you presume to know so much about. Generally, it's to be avoided like the plague.

2) The fact that you started off posting as if you are a bigger player in the biz than you apparently are. This shows that you were either hoping someone more naive than you appear to be would respond or that your luck has given you a bigger ego trip than your abilities can back up this early in the game.

3) The fact that you stated that you do not even charge to review an artist's press kit. As we have already pointed out, no legitimate promoter charges to review a press kit. It just doesn't happen. Now if you were offering a critiquing service for press kits, that would be a different story but IMO, the value of that is even questionable.

4) The fact that when you were questioned, you were very vague and elusive, though nice about it. How many posts did it take you to give us some idea of your affiliations and potential references? If you were good at what you do, that would likely be one of the first things you would have mentioned.

5) The fact that you were trying to tell Randy what he might do if he was serious about his career instead of addressing the issue he correctly brought up about the fee for the compilation CD. You came off rather preachy like you knew more about the business than he did and you didn't even know anything about him.

What are we to think? I sincerely hope you are just new at this and maybe just got a little big-headed because you've had some luck. If so, welcome to the board, check around and soak all the info you can about the biz. It'll only be useful to you as you try to do a better job for your clients.

If you are a scam artist (which I certainly wouldn't expect you to admit), please move on. You won't find any suckers here.

If you are by some chance legit, I wish you all the luck but you've got a LOT to learn.

Van

So I just started in October!!!! And who says being on a compilation disc dont work for artist, I prove you so wrong Yes I started in October but by Feb 9th my first artist was signed with Stardust Records of Nashville, His first song was just released via compilation all over the world.

There for I am a professional and if an artist has something to offer I do have the contacts to get there music out to the world...

I dont have time for games I am a very busy person so unless you have a need for promotion have a good day my friend..

MIRANDA PROMOTIONS OF ALABAMA GET YOUR MUSIC OUT TO THE WORLD....

[This message has been edited by Miranda (edited 03-22-2004).]

Well folks, since Miranda thinks this is a game, I'll just leave this thread with the following info from the "2004 Songwriter's Market."

The third bullet point on page 17, in the chapter titled, "How Do I Avoid Getting Ripped Off?"... "Avoid 'pay-to-play' CD compilation deals." The paragraph basically states that Music industry professionals have "no incentive to listen to them" and since CD's are so cheap to manufacture, the music company is making plenty of money off the people who pay them to record their songs.

Take it for what it's worth, but I believe I'll take the word of the "Songwriter's Market," an industry standard for many years, over that of a "promoter" who just started in October.

Be careful out there folks.

Van

[This message has been edited by Buzz Grudge (edited 03-23-2004).]

Well I, for one, would never even consider putting my career/music into the hands of someone who doesn't even have basic grammar and spelling skills, even if I didn't have to pay a dime.

Miranda, go back to school and get yourself an education, before continuing to make a complete idiot of yourself on message boards such as this one.

You are what you project yourself as....

A scam artist.

I know one when I see one, and so do most of the people on these boards, who have been in the music industry for many years, and are wise to the ways of the con artists that lurk here and on other music sites.

Now why don't you go to your room and do your homework, and stop treating people like they are stupid.

[This message has been edited by internet_melody (edited 03-23-2004).]

I have been a casual observer of this thread over the last couple of days or so and I just have one thought I would like to offer. All things considered I am truly impressed with the tact and restraint demonstrated by most of those who have posted here. It could easily have become a flaming match on some other sites.

Simon

Hi All,
For a bit more on compilation CD's, check the Musician Board, Bernadette, Stardust Records and Buster Doss.
While not mentioned much on JPF's Boards a Major Artist will have to have a backer or pay the costs to get a Record deal, as much as $250,000.
If an Artist puts a song on a Comp CD such as Buster Doss and others do they are probably going to pay for it. Others are doing Comp CD's in Nashville such a Wild Oats Records run by one of Merle Haggard's sons. True an Artist needs to know that is a route they want to take and be in charge of their career. If an Artist already has a CD out, and is booking dates they probably don't need to be on a Comp CD but is another route to get publicity. Let the buyer beware is still good advice.

Now, Miranda, the price to get on one of Buster's(Stardust Of Nashville Records) CDs is $450.00.
The price to get on one of Gary Bradshaw's CDs(Western Heart..WHP) is $150.00.

These Comp CDs are sent mostly to European Radio Stations. Anyone that has had any airplay in Europe, on these small, part-time Country Stations knows that, at best, you MIGHT make 4cents per quarter, ONCE, through their Performing Rights Organisation(BMI, ASCAP), and thats only after BEGGING the PRO to send it to you. Just ask Dick Shuey!

My question is: Where do you come in? Are these "Pay-For-Vanity" Labels the bread and butter of your Promotions Operation? I hope not. ANYONE with a half-way decent-sounding recording can get on one of these Comps simply by contacting Gary or Buster by themselves, and sending the product.

These Comps are a nice way to see one's name on one or more of the many, many European Playlist Charts, and a couple U.S. Playlist charts(like the one from Sargeantsville, NJ), but they are what they are: mostly vanity playlists.

Perhaps this is why you call this a "crud business". Folks like you charging many times the actual price for services someone could easily procure themselves, with a bit of initiative.
The smart, saavy songwriter/Artist would simply go to one of the many websites that LIST ALL OF THE ECMA REPORTING STATIONS, if this is, indeed, what they want,and jot down the addresses that each PD provides, and send a single to each one. Followed up by a phone call and several fax's, knowing that they might garner more attention by themselves than they would if they were grouped on a COMP. of 15 other Artists.
They then might get a copy of the CMA Radio Book that lists ALL CMA Reporting Stations in the U.S. and overseas, along with Networks, Sattelite Broadcast Stations, etc., and have a go at that. It does cost $75.00, though!

ECMA REPORTERS

Max Achatz - Country Jukebox Radio, Germany - Theodor-Dombart-Str.5, 80805 Munich, Germany achatz@countryjukebox.de <mailto:achatz@countryjukebox.de>
Dick Adriaensen - Country Time Radio, Holland - Buystraat 20, 6828 SV, Arnhem, Holland dick_adriaensen@hotmail.com <mailto:dick_adriaensen@hotmail.com>
Peter Anderl - Tirol Radio, Austria - 8b, A 2353 Guntramsdorf, Austria cmi@telering.at <mailto:cmi@telering.at>
Mark Austin - Radio Verulum, England - 36 Sarratt Avenue, Hemel Hempstead, Herts HP2 7JF, England mmaustin@dial.pipex.com <mailto:mmaustin@dial.pipex.com>
Margaret Barrett - Argyle FM Radio, Scotland - 13 Burnside Cottages, Stewarton, Campbelltown, Argyll, Scotland silverdollar@supanet.com <mailto:silverdollar@supanet.com>
Jos Bierman - Radio Beverwijk, Holland - Laan Van Kanaan 12, 1944 RR, Beverwijk, Holland bierman.jos@12move.nl <mailto:bierman.jos@12move.nl>
Lucien Boes - Lokale Radio VRW, Belgium - Nustraat 18, Wellen, B 3830, Belgium Lucien.Boes@pandora.be <mailto:Lucien.Boes@pandora.be>
Veronica Capaldi - BBC Radio Lincolnshire, England - Walnut Garth, Main Street, Burton-by-Lincoln, LN1 2RD, England vcapaldi@aol.com <mailto:vcapaldi@aol.com>
Stuart Cameron - Radio Caroline, Europe - 36 Melrose Road, Galashiels, TD1 2BZ, Scotland radiocaro@aol.com <mailto:country@hotdisc.net>
Jean-Luc Chanson - CRDV Radio, France - 27 Rue Alfred Sisley, 63400 Chamalieres, France jean-luc.chanson@wanadoo.fr <mailto:jean-luc.chanson@wanadoo.fr>
Dominique Costanoga - Radio Marsesyette, France - 33 rue des Hts Serres, 11 000 Carcassonne, France melodyranch11@yahoo.fr <mailto:melodyranch11@yahoo.fr>
Aksell & Doreen Christensen - Stevns Lokal Radio, Denmark - Vestergade 20, 4660 Store Heddinge, Denmark doreencountry@hotmail.com <mailto:doreencountry@hotmail.com>
Solveig Clark - Country Kanalen, Denmark - Valhojs Alle 91, 7tv.2610 Rodovre, Denmark colclark@telfona.dk <mailto:colclark@telfona.dk>
Tony Crooke - Radio Stafford, England - 35 Francis Close, Penkridge, Stafford, ST19 5HP, England tcrooke@btopenworld.com <mailto:tcrooke@btopenworld.com>
Alain Demers - Brest Radio, France - 17 Rue Ar Feunteun, 29200 Brest, France adcountry.music@wanadoo.fr <mailto:adcountry.music@worldonline.fr>
Anne-Lykke Elling - Radio NR, Denmark - Lemnosvej 1,2 tv, 2300 Kobenhavn S, Denmark anne-lykke@wanadoo.dk <mailto:anne-lykke@wanadoo.dk>
Pat Fitzmaurice - Radio Galtee, Ireland - Glin, County Limerick, Ireland pjdj821@eircom.net <maimailto:Pjdj821@eircom.net>
Ray Grundy - Metro Radio, England - 444 Manchester Road, Astley, Manchester, M29 7BT, England ray@metrocountry.co.uk <mailto:ray@metrocountry.co.uk>
Sheena Guy - Lochbroom FM Radio, Scotland - Treetops, 7 Morefield Cres, Ullapool, Ross-Shire, IV26 2XN, Scotland Yakty.yak@btinternet.com <mailto:Yakty.yak@btinternet.com>
Dann Hansen - Radio Roskilde, Denmark - Vestervaenget 18 1TH, DK-4000 Roskilde, Denmark hangingtree@mail.dk <mailto:hangingtree@mail.dk>
Frank Hambleton - Edge Radio, England - 10 Welbeck Avenue, Buxton, Derbyshire, SK17 9HB, England frankhambleton@aol.com <mailto:frankhambleton@aol.com>
Michael Haiselden - Coastway Radio, England - #3 140 South Coast Road, Peacehaven, BN10 8ER, England haiselden@netscapeonline.co.uk <mailto:haiselden@netscapeonline.co.uk>
Sam Harris - BBC Radio Newcastle, England - 4 Shadforth Close, Old Shotton Village, Peterlee, Co. Durham, SR8 2NG, England samharris01@aol.com <mailto:samharris01@aol.com>
Friedrich Hog - Radio Free FM, Germany - Fuerst-Albert Str. 5, D-89611 Obermarchtal, Germany hog-scheid@t-online.de <mailto:hog-scheid@t-online.de>
Rolf Hierath - Radio Rhein Welle, Germany - Hauptstrasse 62, 65396 Walluf, Germany rolfman@t-online.de <mailto:rolfman@t-online.de>
Alain Joris - Radio Columbia, Belgium - Rue de la Croix, 342, 6200 Chatelineau (Hainhaut), Belgium texal33@hotmail.com <mailto:texal33@hotmail.com>
Bente Kyed - Radio Vejlefjord, Denmark - PO Box 573, DK - 7100 Vejle, Denmark dcma@mail.tele.dk <mailto:dcma@mail.tele.dk>
Trevor Kirkpatrick - QFM Radio, England - 119a Lettermoney Rd, Whitehill, Ballinamallard, Co. Fermanagh, N.Ireland kirkpatrick@utvinternet.com <mailto:kirkpatrick@utvinternet.com>
Lucien Knapen - Radio VRW, Belgium - Radio VRW, Jaminéstraat 31, 3700 Tongeren, Belgium lucienknapen@pi.be <mailto:lucienknapen@pi.be>
Bente Kyed - Radio Vejleford, Denmark - PO Box 573, DK-7100 Vejle, Denmark dcma@mail.tele.dk <mailto:dcma@mail.tele.dk>
Herman Lammers Meyer - EVW Radio, Germany - Drosselweg 15, 26871 Aschendorf, Germany hermann.l.meyer@nwn.de <mailto:hermann.l.meyer@nwn.de>
Ricky Lee - Devizes Radio, England - 12 Woodhill Avenue, Calne, Wiltshire SN11 8BS, England rickylee.country@virgin.net <mailto:rickylee.country@virgin.net>
Lars Lindberg - MCWC Radio, Sweden - MCWC Radio, PO Box 2039, S-792 02 Mora, Sweden lars@mcwc-radio.com <mailto:lars@mcwc-radio.com>
Vince Laus - Super 1 Radio, Malta - 72/1 Earl's Court, 1 e.b. Vella Street, B'kara, Bkr 12, Malta vincelaus@onvol.net <mailto:vincelaus@onvol.net>
Robert MacMillan - Nevis Radio, Scotland - Kinloid House, Arisaig, Inverness-shire, PH39 4NS, Scotland harbourauthority@mallaig.dialnet.com <mailto:harbourauthority@mallaig.dialnet.com>
Eric Montfort - Radio 101, Malta - Gloria House, Simpson Street, Marsa, Malta ericm@maltanet.net <mailto:ericm@maltanet.net>
Theo Oldenburg - Radio Winschoten, Holland - Gasthuislaan 31, 9671 JC Winschoten, Netherlands t.oldenburg@hetnet.nl <mailto:t.oldenburg@hetnet.nl>
James Pearson - BBC Radio Shetland, Scotland - 36 Stanley Hill, Lerwick, Shetland Isles, Scotland ZE1 0QW Jamespearson36@btinternet.com <mailto:Jamespearson36@btinternet.com>
Alfonso Pella - Radio Biella, Italy - Via Regione Setterio 35, Chiavazza, Biella 13900, Italy wood-boy@libero.it <mailto:wood-boy@libero.it>
Alex Pijnen - BRTO Radio, Holland - Piusplein 46, 4261en, Bergen Op Zoom, Holland alexpijnen@hetnet.nl <mailto:alexpijnen@hetnet.nl>
Ellen Reitsma - Stadsomroep Arnhem Radio, Holland - Vlakkers 216, 6651 HS Druten, Holland ereitsma@doenbv.nl <mailto:ereitsma@doenbv.nl>
Nigel Rennie - BFBS Radio, Cyprus - BFBS Cyprus, Dhekelia, BFPO58 nigelr@bfbs.com <mailto:nigelr@bfbs.com>
Petur Rouch - Foroya Radio, Faroe Islands - Spogvavegur 51, FO-100 Tórshavn, Faroe Islands alpetrou@hotmail.com <mailto:alpetrou@hotmail.com>
Tom Robinson - Kingstown Radio, England - 219 Summergangs Road, Kingston Upon Hull, HU8 8LD, England tjrobins@kingstonyorks.karoo.co.uk <mailto:tjrobins@kingstonyorks.karoo.co.uk>
Jos Robben - Vechtdol Radio, Holland - The Country Corner, Tormentilweg 46, 8042 Mk Zwolle, Holland jos@vechtdalfm.nl <mailto:jos@vechtdalfm.nl>
Pietro Scazzola - Radio Gold, Italy - Via Scaiole 159, 15071, Carpeneto Al, Italy radiogold@radiogold.it <mailto:radiogold@radiogold.it>
Lionel Sewell - Isles FM Radio, Scotland - 33 Flesherin, Point, Isle of Lewis, Scotland HS2 0HE lionelstudio@isles.fm <mailto:lionelstudio@isles.fm>
Joris Smits - Radio Noordenveld, Holland - Kruisweg 54, 9363 AE Marum, Holland jorissmits@wxs.nl <mailto:jorissmits@wxs.nl>
Erwin Schapendonk - Stads Radio Helmond, Holland - J. Van Vlissingenhof 72, Helmond, 5709 AK, Holland e.schapendonk1@chello.nl <mailto:e.schapendonk1@chello.nl>
Lionel Sewell - Isles FM, Scotland - Newton Street, Stornoway, HS1 2PU, Scotland lionelstudio@isles.fm <mailto:lionelstudio@isles.fm>
Gerd Stassen - HRH Radio, Germany - Kirchstr. 20, 49838 Lengerich, Germany g.stassen@t-online.de <mailto:g.stassen@t-online.de>
Doc Schulze - Radio Euroherz, Germany - Aussere Bayreuther, Str. 89, D-95032, Hof, Germany schulze@bfh.fh.hof.de <mailto:schulze@bfh.fh.hof.de>
Dieter Trenkler - Radio Welle Niederrhein, Germany - Petersstr. 20, 47798 Krefeld, Germany dieter.trenkler@t-online.de <mailto:dieter.trenkler@t-online.de>
Bauke Van Der Vliet - Oskar Radio, Holland - Barten 30, 8447 BS Heerenveen, Holland baukevdvliet@hotmail.com <mailto:baukevdvliet@hotmail.com>
Eddy & Ria Veldkamp - Radio Winschoten, Holland - Dok 6, 9944 BR Nieuwolda, Holland ramblinev@wxs.nl <mailto:ramblinev@wxs.nl>
Joe Vincent - JRRI Radio, Europe - Post Box 39, Waterford, Ireland jr_radio@hotmail.com <mailto:jr_radio@hotmail.com>
Bart Van Der Pol - VLOK Radio, Holland - Zuiderkruis 43, 2221 NW Katwijk Z-H, Holland bcvdpol@planet.nl <mailto:bcvdpol@planet.nl>
Urbain Van Geerteruy - Beeiard Radio, Belgium - Breestraat 2, 9200 Dendermonde, Belgium family.beiaard@pandora.be <mailto:family.beiaard@pandora.be>
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[This message has been edited by Evonne (edited 03-26-2004).]

Well Simon, it does piss me off on some level to think that someone would come on this board, not do any research to see what level of knowledge is present and expect us to act like sheep going to the slaughter. Even if she was legit (of course she's not), she certainly needs to learn more about the biz and how to approach people, especially on an internet board.

In the end, I think most of us recognize that it isn't worth getting all fired up about. I put the challenge to Miranda just so she would expose herself further (though I have to admit, most of her types don't usually come back to defend themselves).

Not that most of us here wouldn't recognize the futility of doing business with her but one never knows when someone new to the business with high hopes might run across a post like hers and think he or she is lucky to have found such an "opportunity."

Van

Thank you everyone for your advise, as a new promoter I feel I have done well.

My only hope in this post was to help any artist that wanted promotion.

I am not a scam, I am for real, only trying to help, and I stand by this...

I have heard alot of different things good and bad about compilations, but my main gold is to get the artist noticed.

The major Labels are not takeing any new demos, they are pulling from the Indies so I have been shown, so that is were I am placing my talent with strong hopes of a career shot..

I do take your words serious.

Thanks,

Miranda

I'm willing to give Miranda the benefit of the doubt that she actually wants to be a legit promoter. Otherwise, I don't think she'd keep coming back to comment.

On the other hand, there are many folks out there whose enthusiasm far outweighs their knowledge of the music business. Those are the people I don't wish to see waste their hard earned money for nothing. While I am by no means some guru of the industry, I stand confidently by my statement that the types of compilation CD's we've discussed here are, at best, a waste of time and money. At worst, they are the tool of an outright and deliberate scam.

Having worked in the radio industry, I can say from my personal experience that these types of CD's received NO attention. Some people joke that they get used as coasters, but I wouldn't even say that. They were the equivalent of those annoying advertising flyers you get in the mail that go directly to the trash without as much as a glance.

If you are an independent artist trying to market or promote yourself (or your CD), go buy a copy of the Indie Bible, get a slot on CDBaby, get a website...do a hundred different things with the money you were tempted to pay to be on that compilation CD. I would almost guarantee that your interests will be better served by doing so.

Randy

Miranda,

I kind of have to agree with Randy that you wouldn't keep coming back if you were all about a scam. However, you must understand how it looks to us knowing what we know about the industry and the fact that you have no track record with us as a poster on these boards.

Most of us are not experts but we have studied enough and been around enough to be leary of "opportunities" that don't seem quite right.

You have admitted that you are new at this. If you care about your clients as much as you say, please educate yourself on the biz as much as possible so that you do not lead your clients down a path that you and they will regret later.

You are correct that the major labels are a tough nut to crack and that a lot of artists make it big with indies before the majors will take notice. However, there are a lot of indies out there that are not exactly on the up and up. They are not always easy to spot.

And as much as I hate to play "grammar cop," you would do well to brush up on your grammar and spelling so you can present yourself in the best possible light when writing.

FWIW, the more you come back and honestly seek knowledge, the more credibility you may get with us, if that's important to you.

Van

Well thank you again Randy and Van.
And the Grammar Cop is cute, I will keep the Dictionary close at hand from now on.

I take everything serious that you say, and appreciate all the knowledge that I can learn from everyone, so I can help anyone who needs help, to get that one big shot.

Huggs From Alabama

Miranda

I really don't know whether Miranda Productions of Alabama has real merit or not, but regarding her grammar and spelling, I would not base my opinion, one way or another, on that alone.

Grammar and spelling were very important to me in college and law school, but to my Mobile, Alabama, born and raised wife, they were never taught well or considered terribly important to folks like her who pronounce Saturday as "Sayerday."

Still, my wife's marketing and promotional skills are incredible. All she has to do is smile and let loose with her Alabama charm and few can say no to her on even the most outrageous proposals. That's success any way you care to spell it.

I'd trade my encyclopedia brain for her Alabama smile and charm in a New York minute if I could. Just hearing her say the word "innuendo" turns heads every time. She makes it sound as though it should follow 'How much is that doggie." And believe me, she would never attempt to spell the word.

P.E. Knudsen

Knute, I was born in North Central Alabama (lived there until I was 8) and there is some truth to the thought that there is not a high priority placed on grammar and spelling - at least among the "common folks" (common not to be construed as a bad thing. I'm common and proud of it.). In fact, spelling and grammar are not high priorities among many of the common folks I've met all over the country. But that's no excuse not to try to be proficient at both.

Like I said, I hate to play grammar cop because all of us can mispell words and use incorrect grammar as a matter of course. However, when you are in a business of any kind, it simply creates a better overall impression among those with whom you wish to do business.

In no way does poor grammar and spelling mean that someone is not capable. I'm sure most people would agree that some of the smartest people they've known are not formally educated while many people with college degrees seem to be idiots. Overall, it's just better for your business to use proper grammer and correct spelling.

Van

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[This message has been edited by Buzz Grudge (edited 03-24-2004).]

Wow I think I'de rather have Evonne promote my music looks like she knows her stuff,....Hey Evonne are those names and addresses for real? (thats a rhetorical question) anyways thanks, but anyone can review my tunes here.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/kennyholcomb.htm

[This message has been edited by Kenny Holcomb (edited 04-03-2004).]

Yes, Kenny, they are REAL, active, and waiting to play your music.