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Joyboy
I hate to say this but I have only known of one person who was ever said to know everything. Now I guess I know two.


This statement is true.
The author does not confuse the Holocene with the Pleistocene.
But the Pleistocene has and did occur during this CURRENT ice age. We are simply in an interglacial period.

Since you take such offense to my cut and paste article and seem to think it totally false how about posting a scientific paper written by someone, Other than yourself of course, that refutes the claims of the article I posted.
You don't seem to think that sea levels being 8 meters higher 100,000 years ago is the same as sea levels being 8 meters higher 50 years from now. Explain to me why that is not the same.

The Pleistocene period ended 10,000 years ago. I think he indicates that. It's not real clear. But I also don't know if the end of the Pleistocene and the end of the last Glaciation period are just coincidence.
This current Ice age has been going on for millions of years with Glaciation every 40,000 to 100,00 years or so. Some estimates put the Current Ice age at 30 Million years, some as little as 2 Million. But I think the 2 Million years is tied to the pleistocene. Which is not really correct.


Really.
Has this happened before?

The little Ice age of the 16th/17th century was tied to the climate warming and sending cold melt water into the Atlantic, too. The years preceding that the earth's temperature rose fairly quickly and it was hotter than it is today. Was that caused by man emitting great quantities of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere? In the 14th century?

There is ample evidence to support the facts of this current ice age, Glaciation and everything else that relates to it.
One more time GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT CAUSED BY MAN. it is a natural occurrence. Even if we stop polluting right now it will still happen. That is a fact. Then it will cool and the Ice will advance.
There are hundreds, thousands, of reports to support this. Google away.

I have read countless papers and reports supporting man's involvement in the current climate change. I have also read papers disputing it.
I don't know who is right, I just have my own opinion based on what I have read.

I am not a scientist but I can and do read. And I read opposing viewpoints as well.
NOTHING I have read tells me this current warming trend is any different than any other warming trend in the past. Except the fact it is happening a little faster than normal.
But on the other hand I guess the Mars Rover must be doing the same thing on Mars because it is happening there as well. And man did make the Rover and send it there.

You want to believe Global warming is mans fault that is fine with me. I simply do not.
How about since you believe it so strongly I send my increase in my utility bills to you when the Cap and Trade tax kicks in and you can pay them for me.

Just for the fun of it here's another cut and paste for you.
Granted it does not address the full issue on Global warming but it does touch the edge. Again note the last sentence.
Have at it.
Boston (MA) - Scientists at MIT have recorded a nearly simultaneous world-wide increase in methane levels. This is the first increase in ten years, and what baffles science is that this data contradicts theories stating man is the primary source of increase for this greenhouse gas. It takes about one full year for gases generated in the highly industrial northern hemisphere to cycle through and reach the southern hemisphere. However, since all worldwide levels rose simultaneously throughout the same year, it is now believed this may be part of a natural cycle in mother nature - and not the direct result of man's contributions.

For every scientific paper supporting man made climate change and its effects there is one disputing it.

Who is right? I don't know. I guess we will see.

And have you noticed they have stopped using the term "Global Warming"?
Kind of like they have stopped using "War on Terror".

If you even peek you will also find ample evidence we are right on the verge of the next glaciation period. That's when the Glaciers start to advance again.
However, the same scientists that support that theory also think man's contribution to "Global Warming" might actually prevent it.

Google away.

There is a reason why I try to know this stuff. I care. I also don't want to fight against The Global Warming theorist's if they are right.
If I write a letter to my Congressman or Senator asking them to fight against bills that support Global warming and raising my taxes I want to feel confident I am doing the right thing.
So far I think I am.
But at the same time I will raise my voice against pollution. I see no sense in us poisoning our waters and atmosphere. It is not logical.


What the heck
Yellowstone will probably blow up before that happens anyway.
But that's another debate.

Obama et al can pass all the tax increases and legislation they want but until the rest of the world follows suit it won't matter.
And the current technology is years away from getting us off fossil fuel.

As for Obama's claim that alternative energy will create millions of jobs here manufacturing the equipment;
Any one who thinks we will be able to build factories here to manufacture Solar Panels and Windmills and do it cheaper than Indonesia is living in a fantasy world.
Unless the Fed is going to subsidize the factories.
Hmmmmm.