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If you want to play with it, that's fine, but please don't post it here before you send it to me first, we worked really hard on it. You can send me the link via DM
If you want to play with it, that's fine, but please don't post it here before you send it to me first, we worked really hard on it. You can send me the link via DM
i mean if you're happy with it, you're happy with it.
I think you've inspired me to write somethijg against the two headed monster of our country right now.
I appreciate the effort and sentiment in the song. But I question the realism of it. There are actual consequences to political movements and the work-out is often not pretty.
Donald Trump and his elections are probably not the most divisive in American history.
That is probably Jefferson v Adams leading up to 1800. Jefferson was slammed as an atheist and slammed for Sally Hemmings. The election went to a draw and was decided in the HOR. It was ugly beyond belief.
Or
Lincoln v Douglas et al. That election resulted in a civil war with 750k causalities plus or minus.
In 1830 Andrew Jackson signed the Indian Removal Act and the tribes were defeated in the SE and relocated to OK. Painful and ugly.
As mentioned in 1860, a massive civil war where 50k casualties occurred at Gettysburg alone.
Then the Indians were subjugated on the Great Plains and West.
Then there was WW1, a European conflict that dragged in the US. Then a Great Depression. With all sorts of strife and conflict. Even an American coup was planned as I understand it. Then WW2, another foreign conflict that the US had to get in.
Then after WW2 came PAX AMERICANA which is the measuring stick for the good old days. It's "Happy Days" was period of about 20 years of peace and prosperity in the wake of 2 world wars and a desperate depression.
My generation immediately took it for granted and began screwing it up. It appears that we are at the end of the Pax Americana peace cycle.
Buckle up.
The point of all that... Is that there really never was any blissful "US" that we should all strive to return to. Except for a very brief "Happy Days." The way things are at present is a return to a natural trend-line, not a dramatic departure from it.
As for the future, I've no idea what happens. The sides are dug in and the money is gone (debt) so realistic options seem narrow. My suggestion is that you concentrate your efforts on securing the lives and well-being of those closest to you. (a song topic?)
Ignore all of the above if you choose,
Marty
PS..I look in on your website now and then. It looks like it is gaining momentum. Congrats on that.
I appreciate the effort and sentiment in the song. But I question the realism of it. There are actual consequences to political movements and the work-out is often not pretty.
Donald Trump and his elections are probably not the most divisive in American history.
That is probably Jefferson v Adams leading up to 1800. Jefferson was slammed as an atheist and slammed for Sally Hemmings. The election went to a draw and was decided in the HOR. It was ugly beyond belief.
Or
Lincoln v Douglas et al. That election resulted in a civil war with 750k causalities plus or minus.
In 1830 Andrew Jackson signed the Indian Removal Act and the tribes were defeated in the SE and relocated to OK. Painful and ugly.
As mentioned in 1860, a massive civil war where 50k casualties occurred at Gettysburg alone.
Then the Indians were subjugated on the Great Plains and West.
Then there was WW1, a European conflict that dragged in the US. Then a Great Depression. With all sorts of strife and conflict. Even an American coup was planned as I understand it. Then WW2, another foreign conflict that the US had to get in.
Then after WW2 came PAX AMERICANA which is the measuring stick for the good old days. It's "Happy Days" was period of about 20 years of peace and prosperity in the wake of 2 world wars and a desperate recession.
My generation immediately took it for granted and began screwing it up. It appears that we are at the end of the Pax Americana peace cycle.
Buckle up.
The point of all that... Is that there really never was any blissful "US" that we should all strive to return to. The way things are at present is a return to a natural trend-line, not a dramatic departure from it.
As for the future, I've no idea what happens. The sides are dug in and the money is gone (debt) so realistic options seem narrow. My suggestion is that you concentrate your efforts on securing the lives and well-being of those closest to you.
Ignore all of the above if you choose,
Marty
PS..I look in on your website now and then. It looks like it is gaining momentum. Congrats on that.
Excellent point. For some, these will be the good Ole days., or the dark ages of American politics
And democrats and republicans have never gotten along and willl never agree, its been proven they are wired differently
One thing we can agree on is we are all here, we either live on a 50/50 curve all the time, hate musicians because of who they support, start flame wars on Facebook,
Or we can realize how distant we are and try to realize we are all American, we ain't goin nowhere.
Point is we shouldnt be viewing our lives through a political filter
This is the only political thing I'm gonna say. Ever. The founding fathers warned us against a two party system, they were right but I guess we didn't listen.
This is the only political thing I'm gonna say. Ever. The founding fathers warned us against a two party system, they were right but I guess we didn't listen.
This is not a political song AT ALL.
I agree that a solid argument can be made that this is not a "political song." It seems an appeal to better angels.
OTOH, a case can also be made that everything that has gone wrong in this country is rooted in politics.
FWIW2U, categorically I don't view this song as "political."
regards a 2 party system...IMO, structure would not have mattered.
This is the only political thing I'm gonna say. Ever. The founding fathers warned us against a two party system, they were right but I guess we didn't listen.
There are people here who politics in almost every song.
No, that's your little drum to beat. Everyone here seems to agree that the song is not categorically political. Personally, I see it more as a "can't we all just get along" song. That is what I spoke to in my comment.
However, I think that it is disingenuous to say that anyone can write a song about returning to better times without getting snagged in the political net at all.
America is not a person. America is person(s). Persons are political, even at Bible class sometimes.
Kay-lynn, you can say whatever you want. Some people here see politics in almost every song. Marty says persons are political. If you write a love song about a person, you're writing a political song. This sucks.
Sunset...................there is nothing in that lyric that says to return to anything. And you're right, as I stated in the song America is not a "place" it's the people who live here. I just America a flawed human being, which we all are. But it's still the best place on earth or we're still striving to be.
Kay-lynn, you can say whatever you want. Some people here see politics in almost every song. Marty says persons are political. If you write a love song about a person, you're writing a political song. This sucks.
Politics is exhausting and kills art............. so I don't do that stuff. John Denver meets Switzerland. that's me.. hahah
There are people here who politics in almost every song.
No, that's your little drum to beat. Everyone here seems to agree that the song is not categorically political. Personally, I see it more as a "can't we all just get along" song. That is what I spoke to in my comment.
However, I think that it is disingenuous to say that anyone can write a song about returning to better times without getting snagged in the political net at all.
America is not a person. America is person(s). Persons are political, even at Bible class sometimes.
.................................. how about I miss Mayberry, is that a political song?
Sunset...................there is nothing in that lyric that says to return to anything. And you're right, as I stated in the song America is not a "place" it's the people who live here. I just America a flawed human being, which we all are. But it's still the best place on earth or we're still striving to be.
I realize the sincerity behind the song. Lovely song. Not as lovely world, but people need to strive for better as you say.
its a wave the Flag song , Nothing political about it . Sounds good Kate -Lynn.
Yet it is political, cause its talking about the state were at, and need to get back to basics, and clearly aware of the climate
Ahh they usually have the red or the blue barking on one side or the other. America songs were popular before the internet was invented. Now every wacko comes out of the woodwork.
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We’re all built from the same dust and dreams, Different roads, but the same means.
Kay-lynn, you can say whatever you want. Some people here see politics in almost every song. Marty says persons are political. If you write a love song about a person, you're writing a political song. This sucks.
Thats a personal attack
We’re all built from the same dust and dreams, Different roads, but the same means.
Kay-lynn, you can say whatever you want. Some people here see politics in almost every song. Marty says persons are political. If you write a love song about a person, you're writing a political song. This sucks.
Thats a personal attack
Ben, I don’t see that as a personal insult or attack. I didn’t call Marty any names or attack his character. I was expressing frustration about the way politics keeps getting brought into songwriting discussions and how some songs are interpreted through a political lens.
“This sucks” was clearly directed at the situation, not at Marty as a person.
Kay-lynn, you can say whatever you want. Some people here see politics in almost every song. Marty says persons are political. If you write a love song about a person, you're writing a political song. This sucks.
Thats a personal attack
Ben, I don’t see that as a personal insult or attack. I didn’t call Marty any names or attack his character. I was expressing frustration about the way politics keeps getting brought into songwriting discussions and how some songs are interpreted through a political lens.
“This sucks” was clearly directed at the situation, not at Marty as a person.
Kay-lynn, you can say whatever you want. Some people here see politics in almost every song. Marty says persons are political. If you write a love song about a person, you're writing a political song. This sucks.
Thats a personal attack
Ben, I don’t see that as a personal insult or attack. I didn’t call Marty any names or attack his character. I was expressing frustration about the way politics keeps getting brought into songwriting discussions and how some songs are interpreted through a political lens.
“This sucks” was clearly directed at the situation, not at Marty as a person.
Well Rob, It seems that you display obliviousness to the obvious regularly. I took it as an attack. You stated that something that I wrote...SUCKS. It was beyond the pale and crossing the line and a bridge too far.
ha ha ha , every song is a political song to you guys . You guys actually believe these clowns run the country . it's Walmart and his buddies . The voting booth is in isle 8 marked Meth. Right next to the rubber hoses and 50 lb barrels .
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We’re all built from the same dust and dreams, Different roads, but the same means.
ha ha ha , every song is a political song to you guys . You guys actually believe these clowns run the country . it's Walmart and his buddies .
Whether the politicians make decisions, or their puppet masters actually do...
is that not still "political?"
ha ha ha , no idea, its the 666 guy right ? Country doing great , but damn it's the 666 guy , Can't win at all. The whole world is going to love the 666 guy , Hell 4 people can't get along in the same room. Case in point , this thread . The only thing missing is Tony on the blood on the moon songs .
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We’re all built from the same dust and dreams, Different roads, but the same means.
.................................. how about I miss Mayberry, is that a political song?
No, of course not.
However, If the song was,
"I miss Mayberry and all my friends and relatives who cling to their guns and religion"
then the song would be directly quoting a political figure and therefore decidely political.
Would it not?
Andy had an affair with the co star , So leave religion out of it , Probably by the ole fishing hole when Opie wasn't looking. its in Aunt Beas diary . Gomer had an affair with Anne Margret and Faye Dunaway. The barber had tourettes and said hillbilly all the time . Barney had an affair with a whale at Marine World . That actually gave him the idea of playing a fish in that movie. Well that last joke is a stretch on a whale .
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We’re all built from the same dust and dreams, Different roads, but the same means.
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