yeah not really the member numbers (yet) here at JPF to segregate the two groups. Its not really a simple dichotomy anyway. With varying skill sets the logistic separations are difficult, not to mention the emotional complexities. Being about 10 or so active members, its easier to keep for/against/on the fence folk variants separate. And just argue. But we do ok here in this MP3 forum. I always considered this forum a "finished song" place , and leave critique of any kind to minimum. Perhaps it will turn that way with more participants. Me, I still post over in Lyric Forum. Fair game to expect harsher critiques there. I think Elvis always starts his projects there.

But these are two volatile groups. Ai is pissing lots of people off. Its a wonder we all get along so well here.
Bill