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Are you speaking about Australia or Capitalists in general everywhere in the following charges? Or the USA? Lots of general statements there. Can you offer any proof?


Can you give us an example of one of those "Laws"?


Do you have a large illegal immigrant problem in Au. Noel or are you talking about the USA? Can you name us one capitalist company that employs large numbers of illegal immigrants? Then give us the names of the people who own those companies that complain about the illegals? Did you know that most illegals usually get paid just as much as the legals? Do you know why? It is because illegals don't pay taxes. That means the employer can get away with NOT paying the federal and state $$$$$ that are required to put a legal on the job. I lived in an area where illegals made up a large portion of the labor force and believe me they got paid well. Most of them drove nice pickup trucks or mini vans to haul around their wife and 4 kids who went to our schools but paid no taxes, who went to the local welfare office and got food stamps (that I couldn't get) who got free medical care (yes FREE) That MY tax dollars subsidize. I also new the owner of a fruit processing company that hired illegals. When I asked him why he said it was because the locals wouldn't take the jobs, and when they did all they did was whine about how hard the work was and he was lucky if they showed up more than 4 days a week. If he wanted the work done he had no choice. And again the parking lot was full of nice trucks



Really? where? name one. For one thing the Capitalists in America, who are usually corporations, pay 35% tax rate. Isn't that enough? The only veterans I have ever known who lived in the street did so by choice, were usually alcoholics or drug users, and if given the chance to work wouldn't. And yes I know this for a fact because I worked in the Emergency medical field in and around Chicago. Again, name one. But no system is perfect, someone will always slip through he cracks. But I'll give you an example of a Veteran being cared for by the Veterans Administration. MY BROTHER. He enlisted in the army during Viet Nam. He only served a few months and was discharged honorably on a medical not war related, he never saw combat, never left the country. BUT some years after he left the Army he was involved in a Motorcycle accident. He has been an invalid since. His EVERY need is paid for by the United States Veterans Administration. He gets food stamps, SSI, has had his house remodeled, The VA provides him with an Electric Wheel Chair that cost more than some peoples car. So please enlighten us about these veterans who live on the street.



Is this going on in Australia Noel? If so I agree, that is terrible. If you are talking about the USA This is so weak it almost doesn't need a response. But again I'll ask you. Name one person who lived within their means who is gainfully employed who is starving or living on the street. Do you know in the USA if you live below the poverty level we have a program called section 8 housing? It pays your rent. I know because my cousin owns an apartment building and ALL his tenants are section 8. And they ALL have color Television and Cable. And yes they can still work and qualify. One other thing, if you cannot afford to feed the kids why would you keep having more?

But if all these things are going on in Australia you have my sympathy. It is terrible. Fortunately here in America the biggest problem we have is the Nanny State that encourages people to live off the tax dollars paid by hard working folks like myself. And Spending more money than it takes in on stupid programs or giving money to countries around the world who hate us. Life ain't easy. It is hard. If you want something out of it you better work hard because it is no ones responsibility to take care of you I don't care where you live.