Mike I get it always did...... do not particularly agree with it but get it.....we do things different here in the UK....so paying for people to listen to your "submission" is alien and totlly unethical. I still think that these top producers etc are in it for the money and any potential talent is a bi product but not the main objective......Ron says he has had thousands of submissions.....so do the maths. I posted a far more ethical way of doing things and still making Blazetrak money.....but that would be less lucrative. I think the difference in opinions are more down to politics and the ethics of business making money at the expense of poor wannabe musicians than anything else. Basically Americans seem to have different view on this than us over the pond.