Bill you only seem to see one side of the coin and that is the side fed to you by the propoganda. You confuse laziness with socialism....there are lazy people from all walks of life all religions and all political parties. No system can stop that....unless you want to have concentration camps where people are forced to work with a gun at their head. Ask yourself why anyone would employ an illegal...the answer will give you your facts that you keep asking for.....because it costs less one way or another...why else would someone break the law. Nobody in their right mind would would employ illegals for the same costs are legit workers. In this country we too have illegal immigransts and some legal ones who will ALL work for pay and under conditions that the average Brit would consider unacceptable....Gues what they steal our jobs....and the capitalists call us workshy moaning minnies....but if we ask theses employers to comply with the law and pay proper wages and give proper conditions....then we hear their true feelings.
You are right it is pointless arguing with people who do not have the same values about fairness and equality as you.....I give you facts but you refuse to listen or accept them.

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