Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
Tools don't have creative "vision" --that's the area that humans will always be best.


I'm afraid I disagree again Mike.
Your statement presumes that the basis for real intelligence accompanied by insight and vision (versus artificial intelligence) can only come from organic beings. Dogs average a certain amount. Cats average a certain amount. Humans average a certain amount and it can be measured with an IQ score.

What (I think) that we are watching is creation of actual and limitless intelligence without an organic basis. Created out of human intelligence, but ultimately able to build itself from critical mass and surpass human intelligence in every way possible. Intelligence as a mechanical commodity.

However humans are mostly governed by anatomically based emotions. In humans, thought cannot exist without accompanying emotions because of our overall integration. So you may say...that will be missing in these organic-less intelligences and without these emotions and organic based feelings, deep insights are not possible by machinery. IMHO...even emotional arrays can be quantified and emulated. Even the nuances of them.

This future intelligence will not actually feel because it wont have hormones, but you wont be able to tell the difference and it will greatly surpass us.

There you have what I believe. I believe in your right and freedom under the constitution of the United States to ignore it. wink


Your argument is the main argument to mine that I've come across over the years, and yes, I understand your position, and visionaries like Kurzweill agree with you and see AI sentience as part of the "singularity package" haha.

I think we can indeed create AI that can think for itself and evolve...and this does lead to all kinds of troubling thoughts, for sure...such as ...maybe humans are such a by-product? A kind of advanced wetware non-binary computer w/skin and bones...

And also a kind of eerie validation of Friedrich Nietzsche's "Eternal Return" whereas we humans are the very product of a prior programmer programming into us the ability to think, grow, and evolve and then we create machines that are programmed to become sentient as well, and those machines then create machines that become sentient, and so on and so forth...in an eternal loop, time without end...

I just don't foresee anything like a modern-day "Invasion of the Bodysnatchers" is all...whereas instead of pod people, it's AI in robotic skin, looking to replace us. I just can't make that imaginative leap.

Last edited by Michael Zaneski; 04/15/24 12:55 PM.
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