JPF Home Page Forums General Messages General Message Forum So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage?

If every song in a genre is judged 40-50 times in a month, and in another genre they are judged 200-250 times, people will complain and say it's not fair. You're unhappy with some things and are complaining (at least in a nice way) right? Well, most people DON'T complain in a NICE way. Daniel calls me all the time asking how to deal with the unreasonable and angry people he hears from. I understand where he is coming from. Over the years I have had literally THOUSANDS of people complain about JPF, and it's totally free, just like Ourstage is. I get personal attacks so horrible I couldn't even print them on this site. So why give fuel to people spoiling for a fight? No thanks.

Their judging system gives every song a fair chance. At any given time, some songs are playing catch up in the voting process so you'll see them come up more often.. but if you judge every possible combination, you'll see that they all eventually match up to all the others. I've actually done that... it took me 7000+ judging sessions, but I got through 100% of the pairings in a category a few months back and it was 100% balanced and equal. But on a given day, 1 song could have very few contests and others a ton. And people would be complaining daily based on the current number. When you have over a thousand songs in the running, there's going to be even more discrepancies. Plus, the system is smart in that it also LOOKS for match ups that tells it more than just randomized match-ups. For example, if a song is entered late in the month, their programming will do contests that will match it up to songs with similar results.. if they do well, the the system will match it up against better songs.. if it does poorly, it will match it up against weaker songs... since it's impossible to have an equal number of judging when you have songs entered day 1 and others entered the day before it ends, it has to set up selective voting to get good data to figure out how to best rank something. That's also why you see songs suddenly plummet or go up. It's been paired against better stuff and it falls or vice versa. While all this is going on, the number will be all over the place. But of course someone will complain that their song was only judged 40 times and someone elses was judged 60 times. Believe me, it's not worth the headache.

As for cheating.. people have already been creating programs to fake judge automatically. They catch them all the time. The more info these idiots have, the easier they can craft software to try and beat the system.. it's a reality they have to deal with. Many artists are cheating, lying scumbags.. it's just the way it is.

Look at all the dishonest idiots who enter other people's songs or put stuff in the wrong genre just because they can.. heck, someone on here was saying they knew a song didn't belong in a genre.. so the question is "Why did you enter it in the wrong place when you knew better?" And they answer often is simply "because I can..." Welcome to the real world.

Brian