But that's not what you said Jim. You used John Newton as an example of hypocrisy in religion. There were no qualifying words like "depends" in your previous statement. At any rate, I'm sure we can all find hypocrites in any segment of society on any continent at any time in history. It's part of our nature. Even John Newton felt that way and that's why he titled his hymn amazing "grace". As to all the other stuff about capitalism or all the ins and outs of history you all are now way above my paygrade. I don't think I did that well in History class. Onward............