Everett,
It has been said that Lucifer was an Angel at one time and at one time things were perfect in Heaven. Well,if things were perfect in Heaven there would have been no reason for Lucifer to rebel. Things would have to have been perfect for Lucifer too wouldn't they? So why do you think Lucifer rebelled? It doesn't compute.

And just exactly who decided mankind needed a Savior? And if Jesus died on the Cross to save mankind of his sins it is all done isn't it?
If I have to do it myself Jesus may have as well just stayed home.

If you examine your facts the three Wise Men were looking for a Savior of the Jews, not a savior of the world. Somehow this has gotten screwed up over the last 2000 years. Read Matthew 2:2.

While there are no written records it is estimated that the Wise Men showed up some ten months to two years later. And since they didn't know which child to pick who knows how they picked the one we now know as Jesus?

Some of these questions or discussions you will never hear in a Church setting because they come too close to the truth.

Organised Religion takes no responsibility for it's message but puts it out there like a puff of smoke in the air and you are suppose to grab onto it. But who can grab onto the illusions of Neptune.
Jesus was born at the beginning of the Astrological Age of Pisces.
Over rulership of the Sign and Age of Pisces is the planet Neptune.
Among other things Neptune rules spirituality, illusion, deception and self deception. There is little concrete form asoociated with the effects of Neptune. If you dig deep enough you can seperate fact from fiction, the sheep from the goats as it were.



Ray E. Strode