Thanks Mike great info as usual. As a pacifist I must disagree with gun toting but do not want an argument. Murder is on the increase and guns are more common now but we in the UK can say that we are more than happy not to bear arms. At least you know that the guy with a gun is a criminal in the eyes of the law in this country. We tend not to have mass murders and shootouts like in other places that permit the bearing of arms. We even changed the punishment for offensive weapons like knives and anybody found in possesion will get a stiff prison sentence providing they are caught of course.