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Joyboy:
"Well Mike, it looks like D.C. will get the chance to see what the end of the "experiment" looks like. A federal judge struck down D.C.'s gun laws last year, and the Supreme Court will hear it later this year.
Anton Scalia's bunch sided with the cops in the Gonzales case, but I doubt they'll do it again.
I think gun laws in D.C. are too strict too, but they aren't the problem there."

Mike:
I agree, They're not the problem. The problem is bad behavior. Rooted in...well, you'll explain what it's rooted in here:

Joyboy:
"Violence is not up across the board in D.C. It's a youth, class and race issue. Look at each side of the green line in the city and see the differences."

Mike:
Yes, I agree there also. Guns aren't at all the solution, nor are they the problem. They are simplly a means of allowing law abiding folk to protect themselves from armed criminal folk.

Joyboy:
"Guns are always going to be available in D.C. because Maryland and Virginia don't have strict gun laws. But once D.C.'s laws are struck down, by golly, all those poor minority folks can feel good about some firefights with the gangs!"

Mike:
Do you really think that? I'd be more inclined to believe that law abiding people will not be hostage to criminals who will resort to violence. I believe law abiding people are...well...law abiding, basically decent folk.

Joyboy:
""Come on, all you meek obeyers of the law. Let's go shoot at some bangers. Why not? We can use legal guns now!"

Mike:
I would suggest that abiding law is not always meekness or weakness. It's not the guns that are legal or illegal, it's the posession of them. The posession of them by felons or for felonious acts is illegal everywhere in the U.S. and shooting at anyone who is not percieved as an immediate threat of bodily harm or death is illegal. So, anyone so sick or evil enough to want to shoot people because of what they MAY do is like...well...like trying to stop law abiding citizens from owning guns because of what THEY may do.

Joyboy:
"Yessiree, there's nothing racist about that idea. It's their personal responsibility! Let them shoot it out while we buy up condos in Georgetown gated communities."

Mike:
I disagree, there's something very racist about your statement, but I believe you are using hyperbole and sarcasm, not actually believing those deplorable statements or believing that anyone disagreeing with you thinks that way. I've never bought a condo or lived in Georgetown, have you? To whom are you writing? Or are you just using racial and/or class stereotypes in the intrerest of debate?

Joyboy:
"Come on, man. You're torqued that the cops in Bumbdiddle, Colo., didn't do all they could to protect some kids, but you're blaming the lack of guns for violence in D.C.? How about the lack of cops in violent areas there? How about the lack of jobs? How about the lack of fathers? None of those issues can be solved by a gun."

Mike:
What makes you think I'm torqued? I'm saddened. There's no lack of guns in D.C., but the city has decided to make it illegal for law abiding citizens to own one, How about the lack of cops? There's not enough money in the U.S. economy to buy enough cops to protect a population of disarmed law abiders from armed criminals. The police aren't there to protect you, they are there to uphold the law, that's what the Supreme Court says. How about the lack of fathers? It's a lack of personal responsibility. And, yes, none of those issues can be solved by a gun.

Joyboy:
"If that lady in Colorado had a gun, she still wouldn't have been able to stop her husband -- she wasn't there when he took the kids. Maybe if he didn't have access to a gun, things might have turned out better."

Mike:
'That wasn't the point of the example (and her unfortunate situation neither supports nor fails legal gun ownership)...the point was the Supreme Court ruled that the police were not responsible to protect her. Let's see, the Supreme Court says the woman's protection was not the police's responsibility? So who's responsibility is it? Could it be......hers?

Joyboy:
"Or maybe the bureaucracy could arm all the kids with crazy dads. That's it, sweetie, bust a cap in daddy's ass."

Mike:
If some of them thought it would keep their jobs, they would.

All the Best,
Mike