Everett your arguments do not make sense. Even to believers your points are naive to the point of being laughable. You are entitled to your own beliefs but that is all they are BELIEFS. I sometimes wonder if you actually have any deep belief in what you are saying yourself or are just following the other lambs because that is all you know and have been taught to do. I hope that perhaps this thread has broadened your horizons and maybe you start looking at things from a more balanced and informed point of view. I am not asking you to change your beliefs just make sure you actually know a bit more about what you and others are talking about.