WOW! Things are sure hot around here. I wonder why those that don't believe in God are so adamant to disprove His existence and destroy the faith of others that do believe, are they about their father's work?

Ray, when Jesus went before Pilate, taken there by the religious leaders of that day, he was scourged and then taken off to be crucified, He was never warned and let go. Maybe you are thinking of Peter and Silas, or maybe Paul. If, as you say, Jesus was just another man, what was His purpose of healing people and preaching of the kingdom of God? It wasn't for money or power because He couldn't afford a roof over His head. He suffered discomforts while He preached for 3 and 1/2 years, He suffered the whip and the cross, not because He was evil but because He was good, and He was showing up the evil of the world and the prince of this world who is evil. When He was being whipped and then nailed to the cross, He didn't plead for His life or recant that He was God, why? What did He have to gain if He was a crook? He was and is the son of God and He stayed on that cross because it was the only way that our sins could be paid for. If man is stubborn enough to not believe, then let it be so, pay for your own sins.

I started this thread but did not want or expect it to evolve into a religious war between believers and atheist. Atheist believe in the goodness of man, while I believe in the goodness of God. Take God out of this world and you'll soon see where this world will end up.

There are a few words in the bible, like "four corners of the earth" that are not true but was said to make a point, not to say that the earth was square.

No man can save another man's soul, only God can do that, but man can tell other men the way to salvation but can't force them to accept it. Just as you can lead a horse to water but you can't force it to drink.