John, some of us were the knowledgable Christians you speak of. smile

As to science and a hidden agenda: I have no doubt that - just as with religions - certain people have been less than honest. However, I suspect that, on the whole, science is far more transparent and accessible than some areas of religion. There are so many books, courses, and websites that strive to make science understandable for everyone. It is, after all, in the public interest. People need to know their evolutionary history. Heck, if I can read and understand a clearly written book on evolutionary biology, anyone can. grin

I've worked with scientists (molecular biologists/evolutionary biologists) for 20 years, and I haven't known one who didn't aim for absolute accuracy and integrity in his or her research. The notion of dishonesty and secrecy is abhorrent to them. Believe me, every single piece of data is scrutinised, double-checked for accuracy, re-tested. Over and over, including by colleagues in other labs and institutes. And results - if considered valid - are published in leading journals that are available in any half decent library.

As to the thread meandering: I guess this is what usually happens here on JPF. smile
It is, after all a forum full of creative thinkers. wink (And that question of yours was a good one. wink )

Donna

Honour the Earth. Without it, we'd be nowhere.

Life is too important to take seriously.