Originally Posted by rpw
Mike (Not Mr. K...),

Thank you again for putting so much time and effort into this thread.

As a suggestion for another thread: "Writing song submission letters with evaluations by Mr. K.". I'm sure there's certain elements that really need to be included and your insight and tips on constructing the letter "properly" could be very helpful to many here (IMO).

I think with the two songs that you thought it remided you of, you nailed it "time-period-wise", late 60's early 70's. I was in high school then and paid a lot of attention to the rock music of the period, especially the crunchy rhythm guitar stuff.

As far as the song being marketable today, you're right - it doesn't fit at all. After reading you in-character response, there are a couple of things that come to mind.

First, my expections were out of line. I'll have to say that I probably felt the same way about the song but didn't know how to articulate that feeling. Also, I was so excited about the level of critiquing that you are doing here that I lost track of the main point/game of this thread: Songs for submission to be used by other artists (which mine was not).

I guess was expecting/hoping for more production / engineering / performance critiques and helpful pointers on those aspects. Which brings me to an idea for another thread / subject. Can you do a "Recording School" project review thread where Mr. K is the teacher who does the grading and helps us along the path to better recordings?



Hi Rick

Your welcome,thanks for being a pro about it.

You have a knack for taking these threads and making more good ideas from them. smile I think like that alot but sometimes they catch on and sometimes they don't.

On the recording/production stuff I have done threads where I even posted videos to explain and teach stuff, took a load of work and hardly anyone participated. So I don't think I'll revisit that area.

The "letter" submissions is a nice subject thread. Again I'm not
equipped info in grammer etc.. to instruct a proper letter.
Only good at thinking a bit about what to say or what not to say.
It would make a good thread though and discussion. So perhaps.

I'm glad you got excited about submitting, that was a BIG part of starting this thread, another was to help people 1- Realize!
What's going on, what they are submitting,and where they are at.
We feel we deserve to be in the business, yet we are not offering anything of what that business is all about in many cases. Doesn't make them right or great but it doesn't put money in our pocket or food on our table either.

Music/Songs - We as people have a tendy to throw it all together into one clump. It's such a game and there are so many factors and tangibles. Like I when I say to someone, see that guy? he plays BASS in a band, he wrote a bass line and the band splits the songs evenly.or he wrote a bass line and the two lines for the bridge. He has decent success with his band, ASCAP and BMI pays him ROYALTIES as a songwriter. He is considered songwriter who gets paid a PRO. You write 500 songs or 5,000 songs fully, by your self and you got paid ZERO!

A singer insists on having his or her name put down as a songwriter credit on their CD, even though they only contributed
some small moves in the melody on one or two lines, the label wants to make there star or want to be star happy.
YOU are now giving up percentages for no reason but oppurtunity
and that's fine by you as you have NO CHOICE. Does not make it right.

This is a business, like a job and people will hold stuff over your head as not only do they think,We'll I'm potentially paying you, but also "Hey everybody wants this DREAM,this position, so.... next!

Anyway sorry for the rant.... smile

But you gotta show you have a lot to offer song wise or biz wise.
The fact that we just play,write or sing is not going to be nearly enough.

Thanks!
Peace Mike
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